Homophobia in football

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If whoever is doing the post match interviews doesn't as Guehi "why did you write that on the Rainbow Laces armbands but not the standard one?", they should be fired.

There might be a perfectly reasonable explanation.
 
Therein lies the problem. Who decides the important issues? You? Me?

Why does a 7yr old girl with an autoimmune disease not get any attention?…or funding

As per earlier. I’m not against the laces. I’m frustrated that the FA spend millions on this and very little in comparison elsewhere.
Please provide even the tiniest shred of evidence that the FA is spending millions on this? Unless armbands cost a feckton more than I think they do you are almost certainly talking out of your arse
 
Surely can't be millions spent on laces, I never see any TV adverts about it. I sometimes wonder if they even do enough so I'm surprised if it's millions.
 
What are the FA spending millions on with regards to Rainbow laces? I'm genuinely curious.

There's no TV adverts so it's not that.
the fa send out staff (certainly in Cheshire) to grassroots clubs with a clip board and presentation. Said staff member presents it to club. Club is then asked to present to managers and coaches. Club, managers and coaches in turn asked to promote to their teams and players. That in itself is a lot of money from the FA with in house training. Content creation. Distribution. Staff
 
Some random thoughts/questions.
Was anyone punished by the league for not kneeling?

No, and nobody is being punished here.

Playing in the EPL requires that the players wear a team uniform. Except that the keeper can choose to wear what colours he wants. In N. American sports players are often required to wear matching footwear (sponsorship issues I presume) In the EPL players wear a variety of coloured footwear - their choice.
If players were asked to wear an armband with the word "Respect" written in Arabic would there be the same discussion here?
Why would anyone give a shit about the word "respect" in any language?
Obviously there are strong feelings being voiced here - but I suspect that 90% of punters don't give a fat d@mn.
Some teacups aren't large enough to handle a storm!

It's a football forum, people have discussions about players choice of haircut.
 
the fa send out staff (certainly in Cheshire) to grassroots clubs with a clip board and presentation. Said staff member presents it to club. Club is then asked to present to managers and coaches. Club, managers and coaches in turn asked to promote to their teams and players. That in itself is a lot of money from the FA with in house training. Content creation. Distribution. Staff
Unless clip boards cost millions it sounds like the FA have a very efficient distribution system for information that doesn't cost anywhere near what you are suggesting it does?
 
Guehi once again wrote on his armband and Morsy once again didn't wear it.

Feck them both.
Why though? As far as I know it's a choice to wear it.

In one of my old jobs (was a local authority) there was an option to have a rainbow LGBTQ lanyard over the standard. I would say most didn't opt/ask for it, I didn't think any less of them and not all of them were homophobes.

This is just another example of the media stoking up culture wars for clicks imo. Mountain over a molehill comes to mind.
 
the fa send out staff (certainly in Cheshire) to grassroots clubs with a clip board and presentation. Said staff member presents it to club. Club is then asked to present to managers and coaches. Club, managers and coaches in turn asked to promote to their teams and players. That in itself is a lot of money from the FA with in house training. Content creation. Distribution. Staff

You think that costs millions? Not a chance.
 
I mean your point may make some sense if football clubs and footballers didn't regularly go to hospitals or do things for children and people with disabilities and/or diseases and illnesses etc. The FA has also set out new strategies in this regard - https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...wQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2xMroFfEEWzRCS2tqvczpl
Fair point

I don’t think it’s the FA however that are sending Marcus Rashford, or Cole Palmer into local Manchester and London hospitals.

just viewed that link. Brilliant. This is genuinely great from the FA
 
Fair point

I don’t think it’s the FA however that are sending Marcus Rashford, or Cole Palmer into local Manchester and London hospitals.

just viewed that link. Brilliant. This is genuinely great from the FA
I know with United they have a foundation for these sorts of things.
 
Fair point

I don’t think it’s the FA however that are sending Marcus Rashford, or Cole Palmer into local Manchester and London hospitals.
Can't speak for Palmer but it's a tradition at United, especially at Xmas, for the players to visit the local children's hospitals/wards and give out presents, has been for decades and it's probably something many other clubs do
 
To each their own, you can respect LGBTQ rights, but not support it. Glad players are standing up for their beliefs.
Not for me. It's such a minor thing to wear colored armband for a few games. Going out of your way to not do that, is the opposite of respecting LGBTQ rights. I can't think of a reason to not do it that doesn't involve homophobia.
 
Doesn't make somebody a bad person to choose not to wear it, I don't think everyone should be forced to actively protest for somebody else's cause. But also if you choose not to wear it you should be ok with the ramifications (isolating a group of people who will dislike you or call you homophobic or whatever).

Don't think it's a big deal ultimately. If you want to actively support the cause, then do it. Don't fake do it just because of social pressure. If you don't want to do it because of your personal or religious beliefs or just because you don't want to take part in a protest, that's your choice. Not like every person who is complaining about it goes to every (or any) pro Palestine protest, or BLM protests, or LGBT+ protest, or whatever else that is going on in the world.
Most sensible post so far
 
"You're a trash human being because you don't agree with me", ahh yes very logical.
Trash because you're discriminating people based on how they were born. The fact that some players are crying out about racism while simultaneously refusing to wear an armband in support of people with a different sexual orientation is so absurd that I don't even know what to say. We are all one, and should never discriminate one another based on these things.
 
I know with United they have a foundation for these sorts of things.

Most clubs do a feckton of charity work in various ways, from the premier league all the way down the divisions.

My mum used to work in a hospital and players from pretty much every club in London would be there very regularly meeting kids, with no cameras or press at all.

Could they (and the FA) do more? Sure. Could they look pick charities that I think are more worthy? Sure. They do a lot though.
 
It shouldn't and is never a requirement to wear a rainbow, and two things can be true here.

I would honestly rather people who are not supportive of LGBT people not wear a rainbow as otherwise it's fake support and doesn't mean anything.

And they can also be criticised for being homophobic due to their reasons for not doing so.
 
Trash because you're discriminating people based on how they were born. The fact that some players are crying out about racism while simultaneously refusing to wear an armband in support of people with a different sexual orientation is so absurd that I don't even know what to say. We are all one, and should never discriminate one another based on these things.
How he discriminates exactly?
 
Why though? As far as I know it's a choice to wear it.

In one of my old jobs (was a local authority) there was an option to have a rainbow LGBTQ lanyard over the standard. I would say most didn't opt for it, I didn't think any less of them and not all of them were homophobes.

This is just another example of the media stoking up culture wars for clicks imo. Mountain over a molehill comes to mind.
That situation isn't comparable.

The rainbow laces campaign is a two matchday/week long campaign in order to raise awareness and show solidarity with supporters and people involved in football and from LGBT+ communities. If you don't show support of that by wearing the armband or putting a little message on it like Guehi then you're not showing support for them therefore marginalising communities and people. It's their choice to do so and it's our right to see that as homophobia and call it out or think they should be reprimanded. Their excuses for not doing so (at least from the side of Morsy) don't seem to come from any place other than homophobia.

If you can think of another reason why I'm all ears but I'd wager it would be hard to think of one.
 
If you can think of another reason why I'm all ears but I'd wager it would be hard to think of one.
If Guehi (who has always been open about his Christianity, his dad is a clergyman iirc) said "I wrote that in the armband to show that Jesus loves the people this campaign is for", I'd believe him.
 
We all know his stance on it - and yours - don't even bother deflecting it. It is just tedious reading all these bullshit excuses and the religious reasons for being an asshole.
Mine? :lol:
And what is my stance? I see that you know it better than me. But again, you know everything so...
 
You can respect something without having to publicly support it, though.
"If you don't support it you're trash. " That's probably the kind of quote that makes people not want to support it.

That’s not an option if you’re lucky enough to be the captain of a Premier League football team. Then either you do publicly support it, or you look like a homophobe. Which isn’t a difficult choice to make, for any reasonable person.
 
If someone gave them a band to wear for some cause they’d never heard of, they’d just wear it. Why would they give a shit? Purposefully choosing to not wear it points to not liking what it represents.

People can devils advocate that it’s “just their choice”, which it is. But the reason for that being their choice is not really up for debate. Call it what it is.
 
That situation isn't comparable.

The rainbow laces campaign is a two matchday/week long campaign in order to raise awareness and show solidarity with supporters and people involved in football and from LGBT+ communities. If you don't show support of that by wearing the armband or putting a little message on it like Guehi then you're not showing support for them therefore marginalising communities and people. It's their choice to do so and it's our right to see that as homophobia and call it out or think they should be reprimanded. Their excuses for not doing so (at least from the side of Morsy) don't seem to come from any place other than homophobia.

If you can think of another reason why I'm all ears but I'd wager it would be hard to think of one.
How is it not comparable? Both are work places where you have a choice wear the symbol.

If the media never reported on it none of this would have blown up, I didn't even notice when watching the weekend games. Just as I didn't go around asking work colleagues why they weren't wearing the rainbow lanyard as it's none of my business, I feel the same way about this whole situation. And to be honest I couldn't care less either, as these things are ultimately useless in tackling the actual issues, just like the kick it out campaign.
 
How is it not comparable? Both are work places where you have a choice wear the symbol.

If the media never reported on it none of this would have blown up, I didn't even notice when watching the weekend games. Just as I didn't go around asking work colleagues why they weren't wearing the rainbow lanyard as it's none of my business, I feel the same way about this whole situation. And to be honest I couldn't care less either, as these things are ultimately useless in tackling the actual issues, just like the kick it out campaign.
Maybe because football has had issues with homophobia in the past, to the point where certain communities feel excluded from enjoying football in the same way as the masses? And probably because premier league football is a huge spectacle, and in general is often used to represent social values and make positive impacts to communities?

I shouldn’t be surprised this needs highlighting, I suppose.
 
You can respect something without having to publicly support it, though.
"If you don't support it you're trash. " That's probably the kind of quote that makes people not want to support it.
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You can respect something without having to publicly support it, though.
"If you don't support it you're trash. " That's probably the kind of quote that makes people not want to support it.
Yeah I don’t think that’s the thing that would make someone not support it. You either do because you believe in equality that way, or you don’t. If all it takes is someone calling you trash to tilt you the other way we’ll then you were heading in that direction anyway.
 
Unless clip boards cost millions it sounds like the FA have a very efficient distribution system for information that doesn't cost anywhere near what you are suggesting it does?
what’s your experience with the FA and their distribution systems. In fact, what’s your direct experience with the FA at all. Mine is plentiful. And for a number of years. Without going too deep on access rights on WholeGamesystem I can say with a lot of confidence that any and all FA systems are not fit for purpose.
I know with United they have a foundation for these sorts of things.
Oooh don’t get me started on the foundation hahaha
They do of course do a lot of good. I’m very aware of their brilliant work overall. They did piss me off once though. They basically took one of our two Powerchair teams on. In name alone really with very little support. We, the grassroots club were even providing their defib

I once tried to reach out to the foundation to ask for some monetary support with a few second hand Powerchairs that perhaps could be stored on site for newbies. An absolute point black refusal. They wouldn’t even share any links on their social. Even though they had some affiliation to this poor Powerchair team.

Absolute disgrace. Like they wanted the recognition to say. Look at us we offer Powerchair…but a complete lack of support.

The two guys I had dealings with actually sounded embarrassed by it. They wanted to help but it was messaging from above.
 
Maybe because football has had issues with homophobia in the past, to the point where certain communities feel excluded from enjoying football in the same way as the masses? And probably because premier league football is a huge spectacle, and in general is often used to represent social values and make positive impacts to communities?

I shouldn’t be surprised this needs highlighting, I suppose.
Don't see anywhere I have denied that.
 
A captain refusing to support a cause their club is behind is news.

the club already stated they are 100% behind him and his choice. this debate will probably last longer than the one between chairman and the captain.
 
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