[Donsangre]

Sorry but that doesn't make any sense. How is Mourinho's football different from speeding counter attacks that you claim Mikhi is good at ? Everyone knows that Mourinho wants his team to move the ball forward fast and do quick lightning counter attacks.

No one can say Lingard is creative like Ozil but he thrived in our counter attacking system against Watford and Arsenal. Mourinho wanted Mikhi to link these counter attacks against Liverpool and Chelsea and he failed miserably. The problem then lies in only one person and that's Mikhi.

Watford game was special. Young with his two goals opened up the game. Mkhi wouldve thrived in a game like that. Pogba was immense againts Arsenal. Im not taking away Lingards achievements. Lingard just kept running and things worked. Still Lingard should have scored a lot more.

Please dont bring up Liverpool and Chelsea. Liverpool particularly where we defended with 11 players. How the feck Mkhi was supposed to counter by himself. He was probably instructed not to lose the ball while attacking at any chance, knowing that could create a potential Lethal counterattack.

Chelsea was a feck up. Kante and Hazard particularly totally overrun our midfield. Mkhi was not able to defend properly. Arsenal is not Chelsea, we know that. Lets see what happens on SUnday. We can discuss Lingard on Sunday afternoon. I will be very happy if he has a great game and brings us a desired win. That will mean that Lingard thrives in 352 and that I am wrong. I will be happy to be wrong.

 

[MThomas]

I will be happy to be wrong.

It's difficult to understand your obsessive moaning about Mkhi..He's a senior player with plenty of experience, yet we might as well have been playing with 10 instead of having him on the pitch when Pogba was out injured. When we had to rely on Mkhi to perform well, he was an utter disaster for a long period of time. Now that we have more alternatives, it's not much of a surprise that he for the time being is kept out of the side.

It's not the Liverpool match, it's not the Chelsea match, it's all the matches.

Even at the start of the season when he was piling up assists, his general play was utter shite, and as I rightly pointed out, if he continues playing like that then soon his assists will stop as well, and we'll be left with a pointless player on the pitch...Which is what we have at the moment.

 

[Donsangre]

It's difficult to understand your obsessive moaning about Mkhi..He's a senior player with plenty of experience, yet we might as well have been playing with 10 instead of having him on the pitch when Pogba was out injured. When we had to rely on Mkhi to perform well, he was an utter disaster for a long period of time. Now that we have more alternatives, it's not much of a surprise that he for the time being is kept out of the side.

It's not the Liverpool match, it's not the Chelsea match, it's all the matches.

Even at the start of the season when he was piling up assists, his general play was utter shite, and as I rightly pointed out, if he continues playing like that then soon his assists will stop as well, and we'll be left with a pointless player on the pitch...Which is what we have at the moment.

Why is it difficult?. I do believe that MKhi is an overall better player than Lingard and Mata. However, if the way Jose plays works for the team and we win, Id be very happy.

 

[MThomas]

Why is it difficult?. I do believe that MKhi is an overall better player than Lingard and Mata. However, if the way Jose plays works for the team and we win, Id be very happy.

He's done feck all to prove he's an overall better player than Mata.

We all had hopes he would be, based on his mint season with Dortmund, but overall he's been a piss poor for us.

 

[Dante]

Why is it difficult?. I do believe that MKhi is an overall better player than Lingard and Mata. However, if the way Jose plays works for the team and we win, Id be very happy.

No, you wouldn't be.

You joined soon after Mkhitaryan signed, and since then made 138 posts of which 75 are in this thread. On top of that, the remaining 63 posts are almost all about Mkhitaryan in some way. He's the only reason you're here.

 

[ti vu]

You have a selective memory then. The whole idea for Perisic move was based on playing as a left winger, sort of true left winger, which dramatically would have limited Martial's progress. And at 50 mil price tag.

And you're selective of what you read. Clearly explained (again) how Perisic is to provide the width which Young is doing, which wouldn't dramatically doing anything to Martial. And Perisic doesn't cost us 50mil. We didn't agree to pay Inter asking fee. In case he did, the more people actually watch Inter, the more his value is fair in this market. I am bringing Perisic up not because I want him anymore (the ship has sailed), but to point out how you hide behind reason (not good one) to downplay players you don't rate, but giving other player you rate every excuses possible, even when it's off the mark.

 

[el3mel]

Watford game was special. Young with his two goals opened up the game. Mkhi wouldve thrived in a game like that. Pogba was immense againts Arsenal. Im not taking away Lingards achievements. Lingard just kept running and things worked. Still Lingard should have scored a lot more.

Please dont bring up Liverpool and Chelsea. Liverpool particularly where we defended with 11 players. How the feck Mkhi was supposed to counter by himself. He was probably instructed not to lose the ball while attacking at any chance, knowing that could create a potential Lethal counterattack.

Chelsea was a feck up. Kante and Hazard particularly totally overrun our midfield. Mkhi was not able to defend properly. Arsenal is not Chelsea, we know that. Lets see what happens on SUnday. We can discuss Lingard on Sunday afternoon. I will be very happy if he has a great game and brings us a desired win. That will mean that Lingard thrives in 352 and that I am wrong. I will be happy to be wrong.

What's the relation of Young goals with the fact Lingard thrived in our counter attacking system during the game ? I can't see Mikhi scoring Lingard's goal in this game at all, he would have probably kept running till hitting a closed alley and lost the ball as he did a hundreds time before. He was like that all these games in Sep and Oct.

We defended with 11 players against Liverpool ? But we defended with 11 players against Arsenal as well, why counter attacking system was so good against Arsenal and not against Liverpool ? Because our number 10 wasn't fecking up every counter attack by terrible pass or aimless run till getting the ball cut from him.

 

[Maradona10]

Done as a player for us i think. Maybe him back to dortmund + money while we get wiegl is a deal that may happen in the summer.

 

[Donsangre]

What's the relation of Young goals with the fact Lingard thrived in our counter attacking system during the game ? I can't see Mikhi scoring Lingard's goal in this game at all, he would have probably kept running till hitting a closed alley and lost the ball as he did a hundreds time before. He was like that all these games in Sep and Oct.

We defended with 11 players against Liverpool ? But we defended with 11 players against Arsenal as well, why counter attacking system was so good against Arsenal and not against Liverpool ? Because our number 10 wasn't fecking up every counter attack by terrible pass or aimless run till getting the ball cut from

Im saying refrigerator and your answer is "its a nice bird".

I think we are done discussing it for now. Its pointless.[/QUOTE]

 

[flappyjay]

He has been terrible but I can't defend the managers insistence on freezing him out of the team. He should still get a few minutes here and there to try pick up his form

 

[ti vu]

He has been terrible but I can't defend the managers insistence on freezing him out of the team. He should still get a few minutes here and there to try pick up his form

He was given plenty of game time prior. He just couldn't pick up any form. Why should he be given game time when Lingard who had limited game time prior picking up form now. Martial also need more minutes. Lukaku & Rashford needs minutes to get back to top form. Mata's gametime is also limited and ain't as bad as Mkhi. Then you have Zlatan lurking around to return to the team. Even Herrera needs game time and can play as third midfielder. He ain't in top form but not outright liability as Mkhi. So same question being asked, why other players should continue to have their game time limit when Mkhi already had plenty time to turn it around but didn't do himself any benefit. I questioned Mkhi inclusion for quite a while before he finally get dropped. He clearly deserves the time out, doing otherwise with the atrocious form he'a been through is unfair to other players and bad management.

 

[finneh]

Mentally pathetic players dont become record scorers snd players of the year.

I disagree. Being mentally incredibly weak means you show a complete inability to deal with any kind of adversity.

If you go through a season where there is almost no adversity and everything is going right then mental fragility will not be a problem. Plus in truth scoring 11 in 31 Bundesliga games is hardly life changing.

The previous season highlighted the problem where he was incredibly streaky and went through long baron periods of awful form.

It was a terrible choice of signing on Mourinho's part.

 

[Dave46]

And you're selective of what you read. Clearly explained (again) how Perisic is to provide the width which Young is doing, which wouldn't dramatically doing anything to Martial. And Perisic doesn't cost us 50mil. We didn't agree to pay Inter asking fee. In case he did, the more people actually watch Inter, the more his value is fair in this market. I am bringing Perisic up not because I want him anymore (the ship has sailed), but to point out how you hide behind reason (not good one) to downplay players you don't rate, but giving other player you rate every excuses possible, even when it's off the mark.

I have seen Perisic in action in Germany about 5 years. At Inter's asking price, he was not worth it, considering also he would take playing time away from Martial and Rashford. Young has nothing to do with Perisic. Young hardly played last year. Perisic was either going to play as a wingback in 3-5-2 setup or as wide left forward at 4-2-3-1 setup. That's all I have to say about Perisic in this thread.

 

[Red_toad]

Bit lost as to why people are upset that Henrikh isn't in the squad? He's been piss poor, Jose warned him and nothing improved, now the team are playing better without him, but there are groups of fans demanding he is included in the squad?
Bloke will have to work his way back into consideration, Jose has shown that he's a demanding Manager and I find that very agreeable.

 

[Kostur]

Bit lost as to why people are upset that Henrikh isn't in the squad? He's been piss poor, Jose warned him and nothing improved, now the team are playing better without him, but there are groups of fans demanding he is included in the squad?
Bloke will have to work his way back into consideration, Jose has shown that he's a demanding Manager and I find that very agreeable.

Like to have a moan about something every now and then, been a bit rosey for us lately because we got back to being good so now's that.

We've won last three games (2 away), didn't need Miki for that, there's absolutely no point in changing something that's working properly. As I've said at the beginning of the season and that's something that people have echoed throughout this thread recently, as long as he was putting in the numbers, even though his performances weren't fantastic, I was fine with it. It's quite obvious that such consistency in terms of getting the numbers is impossible to keep up though so no wonder he got dropped.

It's quite easy, there are players who don't get assists/goals but contribute a lot to the various phases of play (no, not just defensive side of things), that's pretty much the bare minimum what Jose expects as seen here.

 

[el3mel]

Im saying refrigerator and your answer is "its a nice bird".

I think we are done discussing it for now. Its pointless

You're right. It's pointless because you're giving him strange excuses.

 

[rotherham_red]

How many games was he really dreadful? 3-4. Jose said the same thing, about 3-4-5. Ok, dead game against CSKA. He could not be part of the team for that one? Now, I don't blame Jose if he wants to move him in January. I would have done the same. But we really do not have an idea what Jose wants to do with him and we come to quick conclusions.

He's had one good game all season: CSKA away. All other games have been poor performances interlaced with an assist. Or just poor performances full stop.

 

[SwansonsTache]

In todays market we can probably recoup what we paid. Should do well in a league like Serie A or La Liga.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

He's had one good game all season: CSKA away. All other games have been poor performances interlaced with an assist. Or just poor performances full stop.

I completely agree with this.

CSKA away is the only genuinely good game he's had this season.

 

[yfoFC]

No, you wouldn't be.

You joined soon after Mkhitaryan signed, and since then made 138 posts of which 75 are in this thread. On top of that, the remaining 63 posts are almost all about Mkhitaryan in some way. He's the only reason you're here.

Savage!

Just casually tossing out irrefutable facts in his face like that

 

[Dante]

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...ll-news/man-utd-news-mkhitaryan-fans-14010687

We've got a couple of them here.

 

[breakout67]

No, you wouldn't be.

You joined soon after Mkhitaryan signed, and since then made 138 posts of which 75 are in this thread. On top of that, the remaining 63 posts are almost all about Mkhitaryan in some way. He's the only reason you're here.

Maybe I was right about the Armenian connection

 

[kouroux]

Done as a player for us i think. Maybe him back to dortmund + money while we get wiegl is a deal that may happen in the summer.

Another Dortmund player ? Really ?

 

[ti vu]

I have seen Perisic in action in Germany about 5 years. At Inter's asking price, he was not worth it, considering also he would take playing time away from Martial and Rashford. Young has nothing to do with Perisic. Young hardly played last year. Perisic was either going to play as a wingback in 3-5-2 setup or as wide left forward at 4-2-3-1 setup. That's all I have to say about Perisic in this thread.

You just repeat what I pointed out as flaw reasoning with your argument. I &a many other may not follow Perisic closely in Bundesliga, but we do watch him. And we saw him in Serie A as a player coming of age, which you keep downplaying even now despite evidence is blatantly clear. It's illogical to judge a player performance several years ago while turning a blind eye in their recent year development.

All is your opinion, which I can argue but respect. Just pointed out that you made false claim in saying you defend Martial (and other players you rate), but in truth you just downplay other players. Same in this case with Mkhi with unreasonable excuses

 

[Dave46]

You just repeat what I pointed out as flaw reasoning with your argument. I &a many other may not follow Perisic closely in Bundesliga, but we do watch him. And we saw him in Serie A as a player coming of age, which you keep downplaying even now despite evidence is blatantly clear. It's illogical to judge a player performance several years ago while turning a blind eye in their recent year development.

All is your opinion, which I can argue but respect. Just pointed out that you made false claim in saying you defend Martial (and other players you rate), but in truth you just downplay other players. Same in this case with Mkhi with unreasonable excuses

Unreal. He was going to take Martial's spot. By being against that transfer, I mentioned several times that Martial is young and he can do the job on the left. Where is the flaw reasoning?

 

[Dave46]

He's had one good game all season: CSKA away. All other games have been poor performances interlaced with an assist. Or just poor performances full stop.

Jose does not think that way. He mentioned that he started strong , but was not happy with the last 3,4,5 games.

 

[ti vu]

Unreal. He was going to take Martial's spot. By being against that transfer, I mentioned several times that Martial is young and he can do the job on the left. Where is the flaw reasoning?

You either failed to understand the different roles, or intentionally playing dumb? For somebody who claimed to follow Perisic for years, you failed to notice Perisic is just as comfortable on right wing if necessary?!

 

[Dave46]

You either failed to understand the different roles, or intentionally playing dumb? For somebody who claimed to follow Perisic for years, you failed to notice Perisic is just as comfortable on right wing if necessary?!

He was not coming as a right winger. The whole idea was that Jose was not happy with Martial and he was looking for hard working winger. Please do not change the narrative here. You can go back to Perisic thread and read it up.

 

[el3mel]

Looks like he's out from the squad again today.

 

[Roy Keane_Tough]

Looks like he's out from the squad again today.

Unfortunately, for those of us that enjoyed his short time at United, we won't be seeing him in the team ever again.

Has an interesting way of managing, Jose, but nevertheless good luck to him and his decisions.

 

[Amar__]

Unfortunately, for those of us that enjoyed his short time at United, we won't be seeing him in the team ever again.

Has an interesting way of managing, Jose, but nevertheless good luck to him and his decisions.

He is one of our players who got more chances than any other player while playing like shit. The likes of Martial, Herrera, Shaw, etc. would end up in this situation long time ago this season playing like him.

People don't realise he is 29 year old senior player who should be leader of this team, and not acting like 19 year old.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

He is one of our players who got more chances than any other player while playing like shit. The likes of Martial, Herrera, Shaw, etc. would end up in this situation long time ago this season playing like him.

People don't realise he is 29 year old senior player who should be leader of this team, and not acting like 19 year old.

Agreed. He’s had plenty of chances, and pretty much been awful all season. Importantly though, the players that have come in and played instead of him have been good and contributed to our success. I understand those who defend Miki, but who would he actually replace? Martial, Mata, Rashford, Lingard - no chance given his performances this season.

What really strikes me is that for a player who seems to have countless stories of trying to better himself, coming in for training on days off etc, you don’t even see any effort on the pitch. Players can be in poor form (and that will be forgiven) but at least exert yourself on the football pitch, he looks like he can’t be bothered. We have been far better without him in the side.

 

[Dave46]

Agreed. He’s had plenty of chances, and pretty much been awful all season. Importantly though, the players that have come in and played instead of him have been good and contributed to our success. I understand those who defend Miki, but who would he actually replace? Martial, Mata, Rashford, Lingard - no chance given his performances this season.

What really strikes me is that for a player who seems to have countless stories of trying to better himself, coming in for training on days off etc, you don’t even see any effort on the pitch. Players can be in poor form (and that will be forgiven) but at least exert yourself on the football pitch, he looks like he can’t be bothered. We have been far better without him in the side.

Maybe not replaced at the moment, but leaving out to the team is not fair either. He could be a bench option, until he earns his way back to the first team. But I'm fine with him to transfer this winter.

 

[VP89]

He is one of our players who got more chances than any other player while playing like shit. The likes of Martial, Herrera, Shaw, etc. would end up in this situation long time ago this season playing like him.

People don't realise he is 29 year old senior player who should be leader of this team, and not acting like 19 year old.

Where has he been acting like a 19 year old?

 

[ti vu]

He was not coming as a right winger. The whole idea was that Jose was not happy with Martial and he was looking for hard working winger. Please do not change the narrative here. You can go back to Perisic thread and read it up.

You make your opinion as if it's fact. We do need right winger just as on the left depend on tactic. Mourinho is flexible with tactic that's for sure. vs Newcastle Rashford was pushed to the right. Just that in front 3 he is not as good on the right. The whole Jose was not happy with Martial was so yesterday (last season). The sign was all pointing to both coming to good understanding ever since pre season start with Martial being very sharp despite at time the tactic was at his disadvantage. Prime example is vs Barcelona when he was asked to stuck wide and end product wise, Martial was poor, but he clearly looked. Go back in pre season thread to see I pointed out that. Even make the point Martial fundamentally seem like a better partner with Lukaku than Rashford.

I know admitting to be wrong is hard. We can agree to disagree here.

 

[K2K]

In this type of games he is a complete passenger..worst player in this fixture last season.

Win/lose or draw, the decision to drop him is unlikely to affect the final result.

 

[Dave46]

In this type of games he is a complete passenger..worst player in this fixture last season.

Win/lose or draw, the decision to drop him is unlikely to affect the final result.

Have you watched the preseason game? He did well. Yes preseason, but it's not like he was a passenger. But my point is not about City game in general, the past couple of games, especially against CSKA,

 

[K2K]

Have you watched the preseason game? He did well. Yes preseason, but it's not like he was a passenger. But my point is not about City game in general, the past couple of games, especially against CSKA,

Hes generally been a passenger in our big games.

Including this season..

Jose very vindicated in this decision. Especially as the players he has selected ahead of him are usually big game players. Even the ones that are supposedly inferior to Micky.

 

[Amar__]

Where has he been acting like a 19 year old?

On the pitch, not acting but playing. My bad.

 

[Dave46]

Hes generally been a passenger in our big games.

Including this season..

Jose very vindicated in this decision. Especially as the players he has selected ahead of him are usually big game players. Even the ones that are supposedly inferior to Micky.

Enjoying the first half? Messi became Jesse again. That is the problem with Mou. He should have all of his players being ready, not cutting out and now he has no option if a player is not performing.