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I assume he's in the Armenian squad for the internationals? Let's see how he fares, and if he stars for them like he usually does, there is no reason anymore for Jose not to use him

He is, although they have only one match, against Montenegro.
 
lmao how do people come up with this stuff? They make it up and then convince themselves they heard it somewhere trustworthy?

I remember several instances of Tuchel going into lenghty public rhapsodies about how Mkhi is a model professional who serves as an example for every other player, what a joy it is to work with him, what a great person in the dressing room, what a fabulous attitude and work ethic etc etc :lol:

You should follow my posts. I genuinely thought I had read it somewhere and have since retracted the comment after being proven wrong.
 
You should follow my posts. I genuinely thought I had read it somewhere and have since retracted the comment after being proven wrong.
Ok my bad, sorry to single you out. It's just funny how easy misinformation gets spread and reinforced on a forum like this.
 
I'm just looking at the facts and there is nothing good about a player with Mkhitaryan's ability and previous season not even making the squad against weak opponents, his competition being (among others) Lingard, Young and Depay - just keep in mind that he's not some 20 year old from a suspect league, but Bundesliga's PotS in his best years. So in that regard my opinion probably won't change much. However on the other hand I would give Mourinho credit for turning this mess around.

Right so it's not a temporary opinion is it mate. You'll credit Mourinho on turning it around but for the events so far your stance is pretty much set.

Which is all I'm disagreeing with as without having full access to what's going on or seeing how it ends up we can't say who's at fault. Or if it's been the best way to deal with the player.

What I know is that there's no logical reason to drop a top player who's in his prime giving his all. Especially when there's little competition for the right wing. There has to be something up.
 
It's like buying a pet and then saying "how was I supposed to know that thing needs care and attention?".

:lol:

Mourinho just throws the pet under the bus and buys a new one. :nervous:
 
Right so it's not a temporary opinion is it mate. You'll credit Mourinho on turning it around but for the events so far your stance is pretty much set.

Which is all I'm disagreeing with as without having full access to what's going on or seeing how it ends up we can't say who's at fault. Or if it's been the best way to deal with the player.

What I know is that there's no logical reason to drop a top player who's in his prime giving his all. Especially when there's little competition for the right wing. There has to be something up.

My (sort of) permanent judgement is that the first months of Mkhitaryan's stay at United didn't go according to plan at all. My temporary (as in I haven't seen anything that points to the contrary yet) judgement is that the transfer was a failure.

If you only want to judge things where you have full access to all the facts then there is little point in such a forum, since you'll never get the whole story with anything.

What I see from the outside is that Mkhitaryan is a player who on one hand has great ability, who had a brilliant season last year and who has been praised for his professionalism and hard working attitude by all of his coaches. While at the same time being very reliant on confidence and struggling with pressure and expectation.
I also see that Mourinho keeps omitting him from the squad and putting pressure on him in public.

Obviously I don't have all the facts but from what I can see this is pretty simple math.
 
My (sort of) permanent judgement is that the first months of Mkhitaryan's stay at United didn't go according to plan at all. My temporary (as in I haven't seen anything that points to the contrary yet) judgement is that the transfer was a failure.

If you only want to judge things where you have full access to all the facts then there is little point in such a forum, since you'll never get the whole story with anything.

What I see from the outside is that Mkhitaryan is a player who on one hand has great ability, who had a brilliant season last year and who has been praised for his professionalism and hard working attitude by all of his coaches. While at the same time being very reliant on confidence and struggling with pressure and expectation.
I also see that Mourinho keeps omitting him from the squad and putting pressure on him in public.

Obviously I don't have all the facts but from what I can see this is pretty simple math.

It's not that you don't have all the facts, it's that you barely have any. All you know is that he's been dropped. That's it.

So to say the transfer is a failure already is very shortsighted. Give it time.
 
Today's quotes are very encouraging from Mkhitaryan. Seems like he is ready to fight for a place:

Mkhitaryan: "It's true that I get little time on the field, but I am not going to give in. I went a long way to play in Manchester United, so nothing will prevent me from achieving my dream. I will not retreat. I will find the strength to reach my goal."
 
Today's quotes are very encouraging from Mkhitaryan. Seems like he is ready to fight for a place:

Mkhitaryan: "It's true that I get little time on the field, but I am not going to give in. I went a long way to play in Manchester United, so nothing will prevent me from achieving my dream. I will not retreat. I will find the strength to reach my goal."

Good attitude to have.

Anyone know when Armenia are playing next?
 
Really? He was banned for disagreeing with somebody else who had a higher post count / defending his favourite player? hmmm

My sentiments exactly.

Rawkish

I presume he was banned because single agenda posters are tiresome as feck. And his username made it fairly clear he has one reason - and one reason only - for joining redcafe. Something confirmed by his subsequent posts.

And for the record, I'm not a mod and didn't report him or anything he said.
 
Today's quotes are very encouraging from Mkhitaryan. Seems like he is ready to fight for a place:

Mkhitaryan: "It's true that I get little time on the field, but I am not going to give in. I went a long way to play in Manchester United, so nothing will prevent me from achieving my dream. I will not retreat. I will find the strength to reach my goal."

Yes Mkhi!
 
I presume he was banned because single agenda posters are tiresome as feck. And his username made it fairly clear he has one reason - and one reason only - for joining redcafe. Something confirmed by his subsequent posts.

And for the record, I'm not a mod and didn't report him or anything he said.

Dont get me wrong, not blaming you, but find it bizarre that on a forum, somebody is banned for defending a player hes a fan of (its not like hes trolling). And this is the same forum where you have people with usernames with Rooney in their name and all they do is defend Rooney by bashing other players who dare to get in his way or take his position or not put in Messiesque performance or Ronaldolike Numbers.

Anyway, not to derail this thread, im happy to hear / read Mkhis comments about fighting. Its the right thing to say, he just needs to give Jose a reason to pick him (even if its luck of other people getting injuries) and then a reason not to be taken out the team.
 
Dont get me wrong, not blaming you, but find it bizarre that on a forum, somebody is banned for defending a player hes a fan of (its not like hes trolling). And this is the same forum where you have people with usernames with Rooney in their name and all they do is defend Rooney by bashing other players who dare to get in his way or take his position or not put in Messiesque performance or Ronaldolike Numbers.

Anyway, not to derail this thread, im happy to hear / read Mkhis comments about fighting. Its the right thing to say, he just needs to give Jose a reason to pick him (even if its luck of other people getting injuries) and then a reason not to be taken out the team.

Fair enough. Purely in terms of irritant level you'd have to admit that long term fanbois of players who've already done a lot for the club has to be the lesser of two evils, compared to fanbois of new signings that only join when their favourite player signs for United?

Anyhoo. You're right. It is a bit judgey. And I'm not a big fan of bannings in general. But the mods have a tricky job and generally do what's best for this place.
 
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What's he got under his top... a box of chocolates or something?!
 
Started, captained and played the full 90 in coming back from 0-2 down to win 3-2 against table-toppers Montenegro.

Had some nice touches and a couple of clean shots at goal.

Interestingly, plays as AML for the national team.
 
I did not see the game, but if Armenia came back from 0:2 in the second half, Miki must have done well.
 
I did not see the game, but if Armenia came back from 0:2 in the second half, Miki must have done well.
He was involved only in 1 goal, crossing from a corner after which the second goal was scored (not an assist though).

The game was laughably bad though, league 2 level, if not worse
 
did he ever played in midfield? Looking at this video it looks to me like he could be a very good option for a midfield three, similar to the way Silva and KDB play for City.
 
His exclusion simply has to stop. He was the best player in the Bundesliga last year ffs.
 
I did not see the game, but if Armenia came back from 0:2 in the second half, Miki must have done well.

:wenger:

did he ever played in midfield? Looking at this video it looks to me like he could be a very good option for a midfield three, similar to the way Silva and KDB play for City.

For Dortmund he played as part of midfield, similarly to how Pogba plays for us now, if I remember correctly.
Not all the time, depended on the opposition but Mkhi is very versatile.
 
I know it's just one video but nothing in that performance that makes me think our starting 11 is missing out at the moment unfortunately.

From that video specifically:

Negatives:

Lost the ball a few times/quite a few misplaced passes.

Didn't create many clear cut opportunities for himself or his team mates.

Positives:

Obviously a tidy player, good technique and burst of acceleration.

Always tried to play forward and did most things 'right' even when it didn't come off e.g taking players on when the opportunity arose (for a more attacking positon), didn't hold onto it too long.

Conclusion:

He's more than good enough to get minutes for the team and in the first 11. Rashford, Martial and Lingard aren't exactly firing on all cyclinders and as much as I like Mata and his form has been good, he's not a 'good' fit to have in the middle if we're playing Zlatan there i.e we need a driving force and more penetrative outlets (ball carrying etc).
 
From that video specifically:

Negatives:

Lost the ball a few times/quite a few misplaced passes.

Didn't create many clear cut opportunities for himself or his team mates.

Positives:

Obviously a tidy player, good technique and burst of acceleration.

Always tried to play forward and did most things 'right' even when it didn't come off e.g taking players on when the opportunity arose (for a more attacking positon), didn't hold onto it too long.

Conclusion:

He's more than good enough to get minutes for the team and in the first 11. Rashford, Martial and Lingard aren't exactly firing on all cyclinders and as much as I like Mata and his form has been good, he's not a 'good' fit to have in the middle if we're playing Zlatan there i.e we need a driving force and more penetrative outlets (ball carrying etc).
I think Mata and Zlaten have been linking up very well. It has the looks of a very promising combination.
 
Could we form Mkhity into a Modric?
Don't quote me but Modric was around Mkhitaryans age when he moved from a 10 to a midfielder I think.
Similar styles and attributes too, clearly Modric is supieror.
 
I think Mata and Zlaten have been linking up very well. It has the looks of a very promising combination.

I agree an should be excellent against the teams we will control the vast amounts of possession although might be lacking a bit pace against teams we have to counter attack. I'm looking forward to seeing Myktarin on the right Martial on the left Mata behind Zlatan with a midfield of Pogba and Carrick. Against the top 4 clubs especially away I would probably swap Mata for a midfielder Herrera/Morgan. Add Valencia and Shaw and Bailley, Smalling and obviously the holly goaly and that's the team I'm looking forward to seeing.

DDG
Valencia Smalling Bailley Shaw
Carrick Pogba
Myktarin Mata Martial
Zlatan
 
Obvious from the video he needs game time, he improved in the second half and the international fixtures will be beneficial for him. He'll play 180 mins which he badly needs.
 
He's quality is unquestionable so I'm not sure why the needs re-evaluating. Let's do something that's no longer part of football and be patient and recognise that sometimes like in everything in life, things take time. There's no point comparing him to players that are playing in this league for now 3 or 4 seasons. The great players now firing in Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool weren't like they are now in their first or even second season.
 
:wenger:



For Dortmund he played as part of midfield, similarly to how Pogba plays for us now, if I remember correctly.
Not all the time, depended on the opposition but Mkhi is very versatile.
Then you have not watched a single Dortmund game in 3 years. He was 10 and played RM and LM sometimes. He played DM for Shakhtar in his first 2 years and plays DM for NT as well, if he has too.

Miki is NT's best player and a captain. And if the team comes back from 0:2, it's safe to assume that he had a good game.
 
Miki is NT's best player and a captain. And if the team comes back from 0:2, it's safe to assume that he had a good game.

By that logic it's safe to assume Ronaldo has a good game everytime Real come back from a goal or two down. Was clearly MOTM in the 2014 CL final...
 
By that logic it's safe to assume Ronaldo has a good game everytime Real come back from a goal or two down. Was clearly MOTM in the 2014 CL final...
You can't compare the quality of other Real players with Armenian NT.
 
Then you have not watched a single Dortmund game in 3 years. He was 10 and played RM and LM sometimes. He played DM for Shakhtar in his first 2 years and plays DM for NT as well, if he has too.

Miki is NT's best player and a captain. And if the team comes back from 0:2, it's safe to assume that he had a good game.

You're making a lot of assumptions including me not watching Dortmund games.

He played some games as part of a 3 man midfield, sometimes in the #10 and sometimes in the attacking midfielder role.

As far as assuming just because he's the NT best player, he had to have played well, you obviously didn't watch the highlights video.
 
You're making a lot of assumptions including me not watching Dortmund games.

He played some games as part of a 3 man midfield, sometimes in the #10 and sometimes in the attacking midfielder role.

As far as assuming just because he's the NT best player, he had to have played well, you obviously didn't watch the highlights video.
Front 3, yes , but not in central midfield. I know Mou keeps playing Pogba up front lately, but that is not his best position.


I would let guys, who watched entire 2nd half to reflect on his performance.
 
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