Wish I was.
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Wish I was.
His ability will eventually have him back in the team. He always takes time to settle.
He has started 1 game! How can Mourinho judge his mentality based on 1 game, its pathetic by Mourinho, embarrassing and immature.
I googled and found nothing. Can't think of where I heard it but was clearly wrong.
He's worked with him for 4 months. And maybe the signs in that game and since have told him everything he needs to know.
So, yeah, there's nothing to really back that one up.
Personally, I think this entire situation borders on irresponsible. You can't spend £26 million on a player, play him less than three times, and bin him off.
Well, you can, but I'd love to be a fly on the wall when Mourinho sits down with Woodward and tells him he no longer wants his very expensive signing only weeks after spending a fortune on him.
Practically every other player in the squad has been given more of a chance.
A game vs City is a hard debut but to then freeze him out is a joke, he cost almost £30M so should be starting most games
Maybe it'll teach woody to do more background research any future signings.
Any i'm not writing him off completely and I hope he shows some fight. As a player he's exactly what we needed; a clever creative player with vision and composure. But the signs are this club maybe too big for him.
Are we still doing the Woodward nonsense? Mourinho was manager when we signed Mkhitaryan. It's his judgement call.
Woodward negotiates the fee.
Klopp said a few times that Mkhitaryan tend to overthink his steps and restricted himself because of that.
Tuchel obviously identified him as a sensitive player right away (he often called his play style melancholic) and treated him as such.
In general it has to be said that public criticism of individual players by the officials is really, really rare.
Tuchel and Klopp did field Mkhitaryan in all the big games he was available for, though.
Honestly? Nope. I called the transfer a pretty big gamble from the start and that it might work out if the Armenian hits the ground running and transfers his strong form into the EPL. Once he is in his downward spirale it is hard to get him out of it and the treatment by Mourinho right now is contra producitve to put it mildly.
Melancholic play style.
Dear oh dear.
No wonder Mou doesn't fancy him.
Dear oh dear.
No wonder Mou doesn't fancy him.
Didn't you judge Welbeck's mentality by one post-match interview?
Not looking too good for him.
I'd like to ask all the people who are calling others drama queens for being disgusted by this situation the following question:
Let's assume we do know what's happening in training, and lo and behold it's the worst case scenario; Mourinho's been in the right all along and Mkhitaryan is a gutless, soft weakling that can't handle the club, the league and the pressure.
Given that there were several reports of that kind of personality from the Armenian at Dortmund (that we simple fans heard of every other week), Mourinho must have known about it. Yet he still bought him.
How is that not Mourinho's fault? Like I said earlier in this thread, it's pathetic if he didn't know, and it's pathetic if he did know and still bought him.
Even if Mkhitaryan is really that much of a pussy, the blame still lies on Mourinho on all cases in this situation.
Let's assume we do know what's happening in training, and lo and behold it's the worst case scenario; Mourinho's been in the right all along and Mkhitaryan is a gutless, soft weakling that can't handle the club, the league and the pressure.
Given that there were several reports of that kind of personality from the Armenian at Dortmund (that we simple fans heard of every other week), Mourinho must have known about it. Yet he still bought him.
How is that not Mourinho's fault? Like I said earlier in this thread, it's pathetic if he didn't know, and it's pathetic if he did know and still bought him.
Even if Mkhitaryan is really that much of a pussy, the blame still lies on Mourinho on all cases in this situation.
Thanks mate. So there you guys go from a Dortmund fan.. so how on earth do you expect Mourinho of all people to gel well with and get the most out of such a sensitive player in terms of personality.
This is why I don't think Jose had a direct hand in signing him.. there is something amiss with this signing.
This. The whole thing doesn't ring true, he can't even get on the bench in a team that is mis-firing for the most part.
Shit. Really? If he's coming out with profound shit like that maybe I'm underestimating him?
Of course he's a good footballer. Of course he's good enough to have a decent career somewhere. However, he might be one of many footballere who takes a while to settle in a new club/league. Which happens all the time.
Hence all the drama queenery so early in his United career is a bit over the top. Especially when you get melodramatic fools creating usernames like the one chosen by yer man I was having a go at.
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Didn't Mourinho personally scout the fecker? I seem to remember reading he was seen several times at Dortmund games.
Mourinho said he would make an immediate impact when he was announced. He must've done a piss poor scouting job.
Mourinho said he would make an immediate impact when he was announced. He must've done a piss poor scouting job.
Not read all the posts, has anyone come up with the play him and let him sink or swim scenario?
Probably, but the problem is the manager has a history with this.
I don't really want to point blame either way, I'm just a bit gutted a player I love watching and was really excited about us signing isn't playing at all, but time will tell why.
Can't believe how much of a nightmare this has turned into. If we ship him out we have to get Mahrez.
Amazing that we're 11 games into the league season, into November, and he's had 3 bit part appearances!
Some reckoned he'd be the best of the signings!
It's not as if our wingers have ripped it up and made it hard to get in, no winger has done much this season.
Some reckoned he'd be the best of the signings!
It's not as if our wingers have ripped it up and made it hard to get in, no winger has done much this season.
You can't scout the dressing room though, or the Monday morning after a bad performance. Every transfer in football carries a risk. Sometimes two equally risky decisions provide a good and a bad outcome, despite them being equal in advance.
They work together almost every day. Mourinho and his staff has significantly more information than we do. That we as fans haven't seen enough of Mkhitaryan to form an opinion doesn't mean our staff haven't.
Whether it is justified or not I think he is doomed already, will be loaned out in Jan and gone for good in the summer.
Well that would be his fault but then again perhaps he's more patient than our fans in getting him to the required level. Its really not Jose's issue if some of our fans demand instant contribution. Your question is based on the premise that he's already written off.
I think what people forget is that the armenian FA told United he would take 10 days to recover. He was thrown in against City exactly 7 days after his injury, his first start as well. If the idea was to ease him into the league, wouldn't that be a really poor decision? Not to mention throwing said player under the bus right after the game. And criticizing him once again after the Fenerbahce game when the team was already losing 0-2 and playing abysmal, uninspired football.
How about you stop hijacking this thread with your pathetic digs at my username. I am here to discuss my favorite player. Nowhere did I claim to be a die-hard, born and bred in Manchester, United fan. And nowhere does it say we have to be one to join this forum. I'm also finding it hard to take someone serious who has over 82,000 posts on a public forum, speechless!
Is it really any more absurd than someone seemingly joining a message board for the sole purpose of decrying the unfair treatment of his favourite player?
Thank f*ck for that.
Really? He was banned for disagreeing with somebody else who had a higher post count / defending his favourite player? hmmm
If all he did is watch him play there is no way he wouldn't be a fan, Mkhitaryan is a top quality footballer. His issue with him is mental and Mourinho believing he doesn't have the intangibles to start for us.
But the way Mkhitaryan plays would fit right in for Jose, for any manager. He works so hard for his team when he is on the pitch, he increases the tempo in play and he can beat players 1 on 1 and is a goal threat while being creative. Mkhiaryan will end up being our Kevin De Bruyne Mourinho has no appreciation for attacking football and what it takes to create a fluid offensive team. It tells in our play.
Like everybody I want to see more of him but it's worth noting he didn't do much in pre season either. Yes it's only pre season but it was still underwhelming. Then you get the horror show vs City and a nervy cameo against Fenerbace.
Got to trust the manager on this one.
Got to trust the manager on this one.
Trust how? Unless Mourinho's preparation of the transfer consisted of nothing more than watching a couple of youtube highlights then he must have been very aware of Mkhitaryan's character - basically every regular Bundesliga watcher on the caf warned of the possible problems that could (and apparently now have) present themselves.
I don't get how people can find anything positive in what appears to happen: he buys a player with lot of talent but obvious issues for a hefty sum then seemingly bins him the first chance he gets for said issues.
This is Mourinho's fault whatever way you look at it.
It's like buying a pet and then saying "how was I supposed to know that thing needs care and attention?".
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There's no point in getting ourselves wound up any further over Mkhi at this point in time, as we have bigger concerns to deal with. Above all we can't afford to lose any more ground in the race for top four, and to do that we need consistent performances week in, week out, something that we've really struggled with so far this season. It's possible that Mkhi could walk into the team and we'd get those consistent performances immediately, but given that he's only played a few games and not really made a significant impression, that looks unlikely. So far it looks like Jose has decided to try and let the players play themselves into form, which means less opportunities for Mkhi to break into the team.
Had results gone our way against Watford, Stoke and Burnley, we would have been in a better position to experiment with the starting XI, so in the grand scheme of things, whether Player X is entitled to minutes on the pitch is less of a concern for me at this stage. Mkhi's a good player, I'm sure he'll get his chances down the line.
Had results gone our way against Watford, Stoke and Burnley, we would have been in a better position to experiment with the starting XI, so in the grand scheme of things, whether Player X is entitled to minutes on the pitch is less of a concern for me at this stage. Mkhi's a good player, I'm sure he'll get his chances down the line.
Miki has plenty of time on his side, if he's good enough and determined enough he'll fight his way into the team and be better for it rather than being pampered to because he was a high profile signing.
Or you could give it longer than 11 league games and see how the situation pans out before allocating blame?
It's been like 16 competitive matches, I think it's ok to make a first, temporary, judgement after that period.
It's not ok because it's not the type of thing you can judge until we see the outcome.
You say he's "binned" Mkhitaryan and it's "Mourinho's fault whatever way you look at it."
If that's a first, temporary opinion it suggests you're open to change. If Mkhitaryan now comes into the team and performs well, better than previously, you'll say in fact it wasn't Mourinho's fault, he didn't bin him and it was actually a good bit of man management?
I assume he's in the Armenian squad for the internationals? Let's see how he fares, and if he stars for them like he usually does, there is no reason anymore for Jose not to use him
I'm just looking at the facts and there is nothing good about a player with Mkhitaryan's ability and previous season not even making the squad against weak opponents, his competition being (among others) Lingard, Young and Depay - just keep in mind that he's not some 20 year old from a suspect league, but Bundesliga's PotS in his best years. So in that regard my opinion probably won't change much. However on the other hand I would give Mourinho credit for turning this mess around.
lmao how do people come up with this stuff? They make it up and then convince themselves they heard it somewhere trustworthy?
I remember several instances of Tuchel going into lenghty public rhapsodies about how Mkhi is a model professional who serves as an example for every other player, what a joy it is to work with him, what a great person in the dressing room, what a fabulous attitude and work ethic etc etc
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