[glazed]

I would quite like to see him play a game for us. I mean we moan about mediocre players when we have an obviously very good one doing nothing. There's obviously something weird going on though. You don't buy someone for 26 mill then don't even put them on the bench.

 

[Utdstar01]

All the people saying he needs time to adjust to the intensity of the league make me laugh. It's not like he was playing in Taiwan or New Zealand ffs. He was playing on one of the best clubs in the world and was the main guy on a team that plays VERY intense football unlike United.

My guess is that it has nothing to do with football or Mkhi's psychological state. He had a fallout with Mourinho weeks or months ago and Jose the dictator doesn't like any players who don't submit to him.

It's really criminal how he's ruined his career. Completely unfair, undeserved, and bizarre treatment of a player whose childhood dream was to play for Manchester United.

Did you join the Cafe to just protest and post in this thread? As you have lived in here so far...that or you're Mkhi himself.

 

[manutddjw]

I don't think there's anything sinister going on. History shows he has a handful of players he uses and a bunch of players who rarely get a look in. I disagree with it, but I doubt he's petty about the City game because Lingard was just as bad and he's played and then there's the Raiola story. The agent isn't going to kibosh a world record move because he wants to package him with another player. Plus Mkhi was in the last year of his contract which means it would've been better had he stayed and been available on a free because clubs would've offered more in agents fees.

 

[Giant Midget]

I think he would have played if we didn't lose on Sunday.

There's no way Jose would start a player known to be mentally fragile in an important game at home when he's just back form injury, especially considering his "nightmare" game was against the same opponents.

If he doesn't at least come off the bench against Burnley, then I'll be worried.

 

[Raoul]

I don't think there's anything sinister going on. History shows he has a handful of players he uses and a bunch of players who rarely get a look in. I disagree with it, but I doubt he's petty about the City game because Lingard was just as bad and he's played and then there's the Raiola story. The agent isn't going to kibosh a world record move because he wants to package him with another player. Plus Mkhi was in the last year of his contract which means it would've been better had he stayed and been available on a free because clubs would've offered more in agents fees.

I agree. Its probably just a matter of Mourinho looking for the right situation to reintroduce him.

 

[OutlawGER]

You're a Bayern fan aren't you? Why would you be bitter? I mean, I wouldn't laugh at you because I don't rate him too highly either, but why would it bother you if you don't mind me asking?

Because another star player left the Bundesliga for the money. But as i said, i knew he would fail you guys. And you totally overpaid for him (especially considering that he had only 1 year left on his contract).

 

[LuisNaniencia]

All the people saying he needs time to adjust to the intensity of the league make me laugh. It's not like he was playing in Taiwan or New Zealand ffs. He was playing on one of the best clubs in the world and was the main guy on a team that plays VERY intense football unlike United.

My guess is that it has nothing to do with football or Mkhi's psychological state. He had a fallout with Mourinho weeks or months ago and Jose the dictator doesn't like any players who don't submit to him.

It's really criminal how he's ruined his career. Completely unfair, undeserved, and bizarre treatment of a player whose childhood dream was to play for Manchester United.

I think Jose is absolutely right not to play him after Mhiki broke into his house and put his goldfish in the dishwasher.

Making stuff up is fun.

 

[Name Changed]

This guy needs to play. He can create chances at will and get in behind the defence. We don't have many players who do that.

 

[Floyd]

I'm certain he'd be involved against Burnley. If not, something fishy is going on.

 

[Pyroblazer]

Why did we sign Mkh when Mane was available for the same price? Another key mistake since SAF left

Because Miki is a better player and has more potential. But bad management makes it look like it is. I have no doubt this guy will be great elsewhere and Mane would be shit for us. We would make look Messi underwhelming, but that happens when you don't have a playstyle, tactics, setup and just throw individual quality on the pitch. That's why Pool signings have been that good. I can only laugh if some here really think guys like Mane or Wijnaldum are world beaters and more talented than our signings. But they get the best out of them, signing players who suit their system well, while we make nothing out of Pogba, Miki and Zlatan.
Really hope it changes and we give him a chance. I don't know what's exactly wrong with him and what happens in training, but if we get rid of him without even playing him then I can only blame our management. They should have known better, it's not like it was a secret that this guy could need time and patience to settle in a new league and team.

 

[VorZakone]

Because Miki is a better player and has more potential. But bad management makes it look like it is. I have no doubt this guy will be great elsewhere and Mane would be shit for us. We would make look Messi underwhelming, but that happens when you don't have a playstyle, tactics, setup and just throw individual quality on the pitch. That's why Pool signings have been that good. I can only laugh if some here really think guys like Mane or Wijnaldum are world beaters and more talented than our signings. But they get the best out of them, signing players who suit their system well, while we make nothing out of Pogba, Miki and Zlatan.
Really hope it changes and we give him a chance. I don't know what's exactly wrong with him and what happens in training, but if we get rid of him without even playing him then I can only blame our management. They should have known better, it's not like it was a secret that this guy could need time and patience to settle in a new league and team.

Not sure if I agree with that. At their current best, Mkhitaryan is the superior player (can't see Mane doing the things Mkhitaryan did last season) but the difference in age is 3 years and Mané's start for Liverpool has been quite good so I'm not sure if Mane's potential is less good than Mhkitaryan.

 

[m1y2]

why don't we all wait until he gets his game against Burnley, perfect game for him to start

 

[Burrow]

How are you all ignoring the article from MEN where it's fairly obvious that he's not going to leave the club in a hurry, and is happy at the club? I doubt everything changes just because he didnt get to play in a derby.

 

[ColoRed]

Wind your fecking neck in.

We bought Mkhi because he had a great season and he was willing to move. Not as some sort of add on.

Why are you thinking up elaborate conspiracy theory's when the answer is in front of you. The manager just doesn't trust him for whatever reason and he is more qualified to make that decision that you or anyone else on this this forum.

was big in the newspapers yesterday in Germany; many people in Dortmund are talking about Micky as an add-on to the Zlatan-package. ( Raiola is an first grade scumbag imo )

 

[Android1974]

If this keeps going on, this guy will be sold and most people here will say there's nothing going on, nothing to worry...

 

[VP89]

was big in the newspapers yesterday in Germany; many people in Dortmund are talking about Micky as an add-on to the Zlatan-package. ( Raiola is an first grade scumbag imo )

They're all naming the same Source, which appears to be nothing more than the equivalent of The Sun.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

If this keeps going on, this guy will be sold and most people here will say there's nothing going on, nothing to worry...

Hmmm... Not sure about that...

 

[Pyroblazer]

Not sure if I agree with that. At their current best, Mkhitaryan is the superior player (can't see Mane doing the things Mkhitaryan did last season) but the difference in age is 3 years and Mané's start for Liverpool has been quite good so I'm not sure if Mane's potential is less good than Mhkitaryan.

Yeah that's what I meant. Mikis peak is imo higher than Manes top level and he can do things that Mane can't imo. Maybe I still underrate Mane a bit, but he is just the more flashy kind of player people here love to rave about. Good player, no doubt about that and I am impressed how he continued after his Salzburg days, but he is a good fit for Klopp's system and I am pretty sure he would struggle here more. Those "we should rather have signed player XYZ" comments just annoy me a bit while we are not able to get anything out of players like Di Maria, Miki, Pogba and Zlatan. This isn't a quality or talent problem and while everyone has his flops of course, there is a reason why some teams have a much better transfer success rate than us.

 

[VanGaalEra]

 

[VanGaalEra]

 

[We need an rvn]

How are you all ignoring the article from MEN where it's fairly obvious that he's not going to leave the club in a hurry, and is happy at the club? I doubt everything changes just because he didnt get to play in a derby.

but the issue is that we can count on one hand how many times he's played for us, and this was meant to be our creative signing that would glue midfield to attack...so there's definitely a story behind why he's not playing and you can understand why these sorts of stories are starting to come out

 

[kps88]

How fecking bad must he be in training?

 

[red_devil83]

I think he would have played if we didn't lose on Sunday.

There's no way Jose would start a player known to be mentally fragile in an important game at home when he's just back form injury, especially considering his "nightmare" game was against the same opponents.

If he doesn't at least come off the bench against Burnley, then I'll be worried.

These are my thoughts exactly. If he gets no game time at all against Burnley and Swansea I think we can start being concerned (assuming he's fit)

 

[Moonred]

Probably can't get past Smalling in training.

 

[marlowe78]

I've been irritated at him not playing but I wouldn't read anything into last night. Remember that he was thrown into the City match off an injury, which I do think was a poor decision by Jose. To put him in another derby after being out so long would only open Jose to more criticism if he played poorly.

 

[the hea]

We've got one of the "easiest" league games of the season coming up this weekend and Mkhitaryan has been fit for a couples of weeks now. It's basically the perfect scenario to bring him back into the team so if he isn't involved this weekend we will know there is something going on behind the scenes.

 

[RW2]

As someone who keeps a very close eye on the Bundesliga, the Mkhitaryan signing never made sense.

Always felt he was one of the most overrated players in the Bundesliga

 

[PickledRed]

As someone who keeps a very close eye on the Bundesliga, the Mkhitaryan signing never made sense.

Always felt he was one of the most overrated players in the Bundesliga

Wasn't he player of the year last season? Must've done a lot of things right.

 

[RW2]

Wasn't he player of the year last season? Must've done a lot of things right.

No, Aubameyang was.

Although Mkhitaryan was in the team of the season.

Just giving it from my perspective. Sure there are people who rate him.
Was just never a huge fan myself.

 

[Sammyjunn]

No, Aubameyang was.

Although Mkhitaryan was in the team of the season.

Just giving it from my perspective. Sure there are people who rate him.
Was just never a huge fan myself.

He was, by Kicker.

 

[RW2]

He was, by Kicker.

I'm going by the other one, awarded and voted on by the players.

 

[Attila]

I told you this guy will horribly fail you. You were laughing at me, i was a bit bitter yes but still i was truly believing that.

Why would a Bayern fan be bitter over Mkhitaryan? Is the league so boring that you are sad when rival players leave?

 

[Ishdalar]

As someone who keeps a very close eye on the Bundesliga, the Mkhitaryan signing never made sense.

Always felt he was one of the most overrated players in the Bundesliga

But he had a slow start when he signed for Borussia, right?

 

[JPRouve]

But he had a slow start when he signed for Borussia, right?

If my memory is correct, he was borderline terrible the first season. He was seemingly talented his runs were very good but he was sloppy, missing too many easy passes or shots, passing left when the obvious pass on the right.

 

[thepolice123]

Where is this guy? Has he always been a slow starter like this?

 

[Crossie]

But he had a slow start when he signed for Borussia, right?

Depends on how you define slow.

He picked up an injury a couple of days after he joined pre-season training and was out for IIRC about 4-6 weeks. He played a solid season, great in some matches, underwhelming in others. It didn't help him that apart from Lewandowski, Sokratis, Aubameyang and Mkhitaryan himself almost everyone was injured for weeks if not months (i.e. Hummels, Reus) or even the whole season (Gündogan): He didn't join a well-oiled machine but more of a 'patched' vehicle on a bumpy road. All things considered, he had a solid first season with some peaks that were promising for a great 2nd season - which didn't happen as the whole team had a mare in the first 20 games.

 

[FreeMkhi]

Do you have any basis whatsoever for your guess? I find it more unfair and bizarre to even come up with such a strong opinion of something which you know little about.

No, I'm guessing just like everyone else. But it just can't be football related when the team has been playing so poorly and no one has excelled at the CAM or wing positions.

If my memory is correct, he was borderline terrible the first season. He was seemingly talented his runs were very good but he was sloppy, missing too many easy passes or shots, passing left when the obvious pass on the right.

I think your memory is off. Not a world class season like last year but far from terrible. 9 goals and 10 assists in his first year in the bundesliga (31 games) is terrible?

 

[schwalbe]

Wasn't he player of the year last season? Must've done a lot of things right.

No, Aubameyang was.

Although Mkhitaryan was in the team of the season.

Just giving it from my perspective. Sure there are people who rate him.
Was just never a huge fan myself.

He was, by Kicker.

I'm going by the other one, awarded and voted on by the players.

Apparently there is some confusion in here, so to clear that up.
Mkhitaryan was voted by the players as the player of the season.
The official player of the season(awarded by the association of german sports journalist and the Kicker) was Jerome Boateng.

 

[AXVnee7]

Come on FFS, where is this guy? Our attacking play down the right hand side is solely dependent on Valencia right now and he sucks offensively more often than not. Someone like this guy can transform the whole attack and take it, not just to the next level, but several levels above. He's that good!

Can't let one illusion of a game form our entire opinion of him.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Jose hasn't forgiven him for the City debacle I don't think. We have seen some pathetic individual performances since Fergie retired but that was down there with the worst.

There must be something going on behind the scenes too, attitude perhaps, there seems to have germ a few leaks to the press about his 'confusion at bring overlooked' etc.