[NinjaFletch]

Sorry, seems as if I misunderstood your post. HM was worldclass last season though, we have to agree to disagree on that account.

I do understand that Mourinho doesn't play him against City or Liverpool or Chelsea from the beginning. What I don't understand that he doesn't even get 20 minutes as a sub against Fener or Leicester.

Oh I don't disagree he had a world class season, my bone of contention is that I personally think a player needs more than one season at that level before you can start labelling them as a world class player.

 

[Jake]

I couldn't tell you mate. I find the situation very odd. He has been training for a month now, and training fine by all accounts from what I've heard and read. If it was up to me I'd of played him against Fenerbahce in some capacity. Hopefully he just wants to bring him in when the pressure is off a bit against Burnley on Saturday. If he isn't in the squad then though I firmly believe he will be gone next Summer unfortunately.

And I'm not going to call my club a shambles if he is gone. He obviously couldn't handle it otherwise he would have knuckled down and took his chance.

There is no way Mourinho wouldn't play him if he believed it was for the good of the team.

I don't want players in my team who aren't 100% committed I'm tired of mentally weak players and us being turned over by our rivals. It's happened a few times in the last couple of years.

I'd rather put my trust in Mourinho and if he see's more of a spark in players eyes like rashford and Lingard than I for one don't care if he plays Mkhitaryan or not.

For the record I also think he's a great player and hope he comes good and starts against Burnley but if Mourinho doesn't see it in him for whatever reason I trust his decision to leave him out. Sick of all this unwarranted sentimental shit I'd rather us get back to winning ways then be scared to hurt some random
players feelings.

 

[Dumbat12]

And I'm not going to call my club a shambles if he is gone. He obviously couldn't handle it otherwise he would have knuckled down and took his chance.

There is no way Mourinho wouldn't play him if he believed it was for the good of the team.

You're acting like Mourinho has never done such mistakes before. This isn't a first for him.

 

[Dinghy]

Our performances have been a shambles mostly because our players have no balls.

Playing Mkhitaryan hardly seems like that will change things. Mourinho works with him everyday if he shows the right qualities in their time together he starts. He obviously doesn't.

Managers get it wrong all the time. LVG thought Herrera didn't have the right qualities. As long as we're not exactly playing great football at the moment questions will be asked, and rightfully so. It was Mourinho who brought him here ffs.

 

[OutlawGER]

I told you this guy will horribly fail you. You were laughing at me, i was a bit bitter yes but still i was truly believing that.

 

[izec]

Cant believe he cant get into this shower of shite team.

 

[NoLogo]

The Sun is the source of the discussed article. Here's the article again:

https://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/...ryans-Zeit-unter-Mourinho-ist-abgelaufen.html

The Sun gets quoted twice. Additional information that gets thrown in there is the rumour you are talking about.

Whatever the origin is there doesn't seem to be a credible source for any of this speculation, neither in the German nor English media.

 

[Jake]

You're acting like Mourinho has never done such mistakes before. This isn't a first for him.

I'm just tired of sentimental bullshit and I'm putting my faith in the manager.

Other players this season have had bad games yet still start, so there must be a bit more to it than that.

If Mourinho's judgement is that he's not up for it, then I trust it.

If Mourinho's judgement is that he is up for against Burnley on Saturday, then I will trust that too and hope he has a fantastic game.

 

[glazed]

Is this Kevin de Bruyne and Jose all over again? My Chelsea supporting mates are laughing at me

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

this is getting ridiculous. At the very least he should be making the bench......

 

[Dumbat12]

I'm just tired of sentimental bullshit and I'm putting my faith in the manager.

Other players this season have had bad games yet still start, so there must be a bit more to it than that.

If Mourinho's judgement is that he's not up for it, then I trust it.

If Mourinho's judgement is that he is up for against Burnley on Saturday, then I will trust that too and hope he has a fantastic game.

Look, I am with Mourinho all the way, however to put blind trust in him is reckless. He is not flawless and even though he may be the best manager in the game currently he has made MANY big feck ups and this could be one of them.

 

[Jake]

Managers get it wrong all the time. LVG thought Herrera didn't have the right qualities. As long as we're not exactly playing great football at the moment questions will be asked, and rightfully so. It was Mourinho who brought him here ffs.

I'm not saying there isn't a mistake in this fiasco somewhere.

Maybe buying him was the mistake?

If it was, he shouldn't just play him for all your satisfaction to see him play, if it was a mistake and he's not up for playing 100% for whatever reason then simple he doesn't play. Rightly so.

 

[Dumbat12]

I'm not saying there isn't a mistake in this fiasco somewhere.

Maybe buying him was the mistake?

If it was, he shouldn't just play him for all your satisfaction to see him play, if it was a mistake and he's not up for playing 100% for whatever reason then simple he doesn't play. Rightly so.

It's not like we're pulling trees without him, are we? I would understand your reasoning if we were playing great and such, but considering we got trashed 4-0 against Chelsea, giving him a couple of minutes is not something out of order.

 

[Jake]

Look, I am with Mourinho all the way, however to put blind trust in him is reckless. He is not flawless and even though he may be the best manager in the game currently he has made MANY big feck ups and this could be one of them.

I hope he comes good I'm not slating the player.

I'm defending Mourinho for not starting him in a Derby when lots of people are slating him for his decision today.

Hopefully he can be eased in to a few games soon.

I'm just sick of a random player who has played twice for us getting more love than our manager who is busting his balls for results.

Mourinho will do best by this club and if he fees Mkhi doesn't deserve to start a game like this I trust the manager.

You have to trust your manager otherwise your not in unity and that's when problems start, and we don't need any more problems at the minute.

 

[Sammyjunn]

Mourinho is having a mare, his stubbornness will cost him a lot, as LvG did.

 

[Jake]

It's not like we're pulling trees without him, are we? I would understand your reasoning if we were playing great and such, but considering we got trashed 4-0 against Chelsea, giving him a couple of minutes is not something out of order.

I would argue the opposite to your point.

When your struggling for results you start the player you trust. If Mourinho trusts other players in front of Mkhi then I trust him.

 

[Raees]

He will start next game behind Martial. He has to.

 

[Shimo]

A couple games back I think Mou was asked why Mkhi wasn't in the match day squad and he said so he can train more intensely than getting 15/20 minutes. I don't get it that at least for this game - it makes more sense for him to come off the bench than train intensely and then start and today at the very least he could have made the bench.

Only thing that makes any sense is that there is something else going on that we are not aware of, yet.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

So we sign a player to never play him?

I mean if he's fully fit, I don't see why he's not playing. Yes he was a disaster in the Manchester derby, but so was Lingard and he came back into the team.

 

[m1y2]

again I am willing to give Mou some time and patience in case Mickytaryan. In derby games like this you have to be really fit to play, look at Shaw how he's struggling and he came back from injury earlier than Mickytaryan. Not mentioning that Henrick had a mare against City, Burnley home will be a good match to get him on track

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

Judging by this shit show tonight, he will be playing by hook or by crook this Saturday.

 

[caisenma]

So we sign a player to never play him?

I mean if he's fully fit, I don't see why he's not playing. Yes he was a disaster in the Manchester derby, but so was Lingard and he came back into the team.

that's what i don't get. mourinho signed him. this is his player, and he's not been given even the slightest of chances. this is bizarre in an LVG sort of way.

 

[Jake]

Long story short as this will probably be my last post in the tread before the game finishes.

I don't give a shit if Mkhi isn't starting or not. I feel there must be a reason for it. I'd rather our manager be more ruthless and weed the mentally weak players out and go with his strongest 11 on the day.

This is hypothetical ofcoarse, however there has to be a reason why he's not starting. I'm not trying to personally attack Mkhi here but if in fact the reason why he's not in the squad is because of mental problems I don't want him near the squad. There's a mentality which comes with playing for the best clubs in the world some have it, some don't. We will soon find out in Mkhi had it or not.

 

[bucky]

Whatever the origin is there doesn't seem to be a credible source for any of this speculation, neither in the German nor English media.

Which was exactly my point.

 

[Dinghy]

I'm not saying there isn't a mistake in this fiasco somewhere.

Maybe buying him was the mistake?

If it was, he shouldn't just play him for all your satisfaction to see him play, if it was a mistake and he's not up for playing 100% for whatever reason then simple he doesn't play. Rightly so.

It's just really fecking hard to see why one of bundesligas best players last season can't even get a place on the bench instead of Memphis Depay and Ashley Young. Until I've seen him play like crap (or Ibra) a multiple times with my own eyes, my opinion on this won't change.

 

[Jake]

It's just really fecking hard to see why one of bundesligas best players last season can't even get a place on the bench instead of Memphis Depay and Ashley Young. Until I've seen him play like crap (or Ibra) a multiple times with my own eyes, my opinion on this won't change.

Maybe he was in fact injured but Jose doesn't think that bringing him back against Liverpool, Chelsea or City is a good idea?

The only reason why I'm defending Jose so much is this thread because there are people saying the club is a shambles for not starting him, when I think there has to be a good reason eg. Above or in fact mental issues.

 

[NoLogo]

Which was exactly my point.

I know, I was just pointing out that the article starts with "A rumor that is making the round at Dortmund and won't go away...", which is not a quote from the sun, or is it? They suggest they have another "source" which is a rumor at Dortmund, probably originating from Franz and Karl-Heinz at Strobel's Bar, that was the only point I was making. On the main topic we totally agree it's just the source of the "Die Welt" article we didn't agree on because they first mention the "rumor" originating from Dortmund.

 

[JustFootballFan]

If Mkhitaryan were performing better in training, he'd be in the squad ahead of Lingard. Mourinho isn't an agenda-driven Caftard. He's a pragmatist, and this is his job.

Honestly do you find it completely unbelievable that Myhitaryan was a add-on to the Ibrahimovic/Pogba deals. Maybe Raiola backed himself into a corner. In an attempt to create another big fee for himself, he convinced Mkyhitaryan that he needs to cash-in on his incredible season. Suddenly he cannot find any takers, cause other clubs know Mykhitaryan has to be given regular blow jobs by his coach to function. Maybe in this case it was the agent in Mkhitaryan´s ear and the other clubs did their due diligence and were not convinced he´d be happy and function in a different environment, cause Tuchel is just a better c***-sucker.

It´s a little similar to Kagawa actually, in the sense that Kagawa had convinced himself that he has to play in England, because that´s what he watched as a kid. He loved Klopp. He loved Dortmund, but decided to leave anyway, because of something his childhood-self told him.

GOAL.

 

[Jake]

Honestly do you find it completely unbelievable that Myhitaryan was a add-on to the Ibrahimovic/Pogba deals. Maybe Raiola backed himself into a corner. In an attempt to create another big fee for himself, he convinced Mkyhitaryan that he needs to cash-in on his incredible season. Suddenly he cannot find any takers, cause other clubs know Mykhitaryan has to be given regular blow jobs by his coach to function. Maybe in this case it was the agent in Mkhitaryan´s ear and the other clubs did their due diligence and were not convinced he´d be happy and function in a different environment, cause Tuchel is just a better c***-sucker.

It´s a little similar to Kagawa actually, in the sense that Kagawa had convinced himself that he has to play in England, because that´s what he watched as a kid. He loved Klopp. He loved Dortmund, but decided to leave anyway, because of something his childhood-self told him.

GOAL.

Wind your fecking neck in.

We bought Mkhi because he had a great season and he was willing to move. Not as some sort of add on.

Why are you thinking up elaborate conspiracy theory's when the answer is in front of you. The manager just doesn't trust him for whatever reason and he is more qualified to make that decision that you or anyone else on this this forum.

 

[JustFootballFan]

Wind your fecking neck in.

We bought Mkhi because he had a great season and he was willing to move. Not as some sort of add on.

Why are you thinking up elaborate conspiracy theory's when the answer is in front of you. The manager just doesn't trust him for whatever reason and he is more qualified to make that decision that you or anyone else on this this forum.

And you bought him against the will of the manager?

 

[Jake]

And you bought him against the will of the manager?

Is entirely plausible that Jose bought him off a great season hoping he could make the transition to the premier league.

Now, a few months into the season he see's some sort of weakness in him so hasn't trusted him in our recent games. Which, in my eyes, in this period of Manchester United's history would be the right decision. You play the players who are committed and 100% with you in difficult times and against apponants like Liverpool, Chelsea and City.

 

[JustFootballFan]

Is entirely plausible that Jose bought him off a great season hoping he could make the transition to the premier league.

Now, a few months into the season he see's some sort of weakness in him so hasn't trusted him in our recent games. Which, in my eyes, in this period of Manchester United's history would be the right decision. You play the players who are committed and 100% with you in difficult times and against apponants like Liverpool, Chelsea and City.

Well then United are a piss-poor managed club, cause everybody knew about Mkhitaryan´s sensible nature. The suggestion that he cannot adapt to the EPL style or pressure is a bit ridiculous, when he has played at the highest European level for years and hasn´t even played a full game yet. So the other conclusion would be that it was a very poorly researched transfer deal.

 

[Ivor Ballokov]

I wish I hadn't bothered learning how to spell his name.

 

[Jake]

Well then United are a piss-poor managed club, cause everybody knew about Mkhitaryan´s sensible nature. The suggestion that he cannot adapt to the EPL style or pressure is a bit ridiculous, when he has played at the highest European level for years and hasn´t even played a full game yet. So the other conclusion would be that it was a very poorly researched transfer deal.

You can't say that though. Stop insulting the club.

Every transfer has an element of risk. Do you think Rooney and Ronaldo were risk free transfers? Veron, Berbarov etc... every transfer has a risk. If Jose thought he could make Mkhi play like he's capable of eg last season, then he's in every right to buy him.

Why are you criticising my club by saying we are piss poorly managed? And for trying to buy the best players and assessing whether they are right to play? Mkhi wasn't in the squad today and we beat Manchester City in a Derby match.

I for one am over the moon that we won and am more than satisfied with the managers selection today.

 

[Bwuk]

Hope he plays against Burnley at some point.

 

[LuisNaniencia]

No point arguing about this as we don't have a clue what's going on. Sure it will all come out soon.

 

[Yagami]

I told you this guy will horribly fail you. You were laughing at me, i was a bit bitter yes but still i was truly believing that.

You're a Bayern fan aren't you? Why would you be bitter? I mean, I wouldn't laugh at you because I don't rate him too highly either, but why would it bother you if you don't mind me asking?

 

[JustFootballFan]

You can't say that though. Stop insulting the club.

Every transfer has an element of risk. Do you think Rooney and Ronaldo were risk free transfers? Veron, Berbarov etc... every transfer has a risk. If Jose thought he could make Mkhi play like he's capable of eg last season, then he's in every right to buy him.

Why are you criticising my club by saying we are piss poorly managed?

Knowing the character and mindset of a player is instrumental to a transfer. Every person can watch Mkhitaryan and tell he´s a very good football player. Where you need to do your due diligence is whether he is compatible with your squad, with your manager, with your culture. You need to know what makes him tick.

It was not really a big secret that Mkhitaryan needs special attention by the manager. If your manager does not/cannot provide that or he feels it could lead to chemistry problems in the squad, then you simply do not sign him. His footballing skills become secondary. In light of the current events it does not look like Mourinho is very invested in Mkhitaryan and we are just two months in.

 

[FreeMkhi]

All the people saying he needs time to adjust to the intensity of the league make me laugh. It's not like he was playing in Taiwan or New Zealand ffs. He was playing on one of the best clubs in the world and was the main guy on a team that plays VERY intense football unlike United.

My guess is that it has nothing to do with football or Mkhi's psychological state. He had a fallout with Mourinho weeks or months ago and Jose the dictator doesn't like any players who don't submit to him.

It's really criminal how he's ruined his career. Completely unfair, undeserved, and bizarre treatment of a player whose childhood dream was to play for Manchester United.

 

[donkeyfish]

It's really criminal how he's ruined his career. Completely unfair, undeserved, and bizarre treatment of a player whose childhood dream was to play for Manchester United.

Do you have any basis whatsoever for your guess? I find it more unfair and bizarre to even come up with such a strong opinion of something which you know little about.