A Mourinho quote from the match day thread United - Fener, post #81 https://www.redcafe.net/threads/manchester-united-vs-fenerbache.422692/page-3#post-19934224
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I don't understand this signing. We paid a lot of money for him with seemingly no desire to ever give him any playing time, and wrote him off after one bad performance coming back from an injury.
I think there is more to this than fitness problems. Very strange that a player of his calibre doesn't even make the bench. Has there been a falling out? If not, just throw him in. He can't do any worse than the rest of them!
By the same token, you'd have shipped Evra out as well after he was hauled off at HT on his debut - a 3-1 defeat against City.
I'm not worried about Mkhitaryan. His time will come. He's intelligent enough to understand that.
By the same token, you'd have shipped Evra out as well after he was hauled off at HT on his debut - a 3-1 defeat against City.
I'm not worried about Mkhitaryan. His time will come. He's intelligent enough to understand that.
It really has to come now, or it won't happen. If it doesn't happen in the next month or so, I really don't see it happening.
And I think he's a great player for the record.
Evra never was a "best player" in France. He was always more of a punt, same as Vidic, the one that turned out to be great. You can just compare the fees payed.
Doesn't that strengthen his point more? I.e. if we didn't ship off a player who was "just a punt" anyway, why would we consider low patience with an established star? He has a track record which buys him more time to prove himself.
Well a lot of them are not really United level, in terms they are not top or past it. Actually the only player i would comfortably have in my team from last game is Pogba. And Rashford, but this guy is young and also played out of position.
Everyone else, i would not be sad if they'll, if United replaced them etc.
If he's fit then start him against City. Yeah he had a shocker last time against them but he is an experienced player and it's a league cup game. He needs to get going.
I am not saying "don't give him any more chances" or sell him ASAP.
I am saying that Mkhitaryan being a POTY of Bundesliga is a load of crap, mostly for muppets. His past achievements in another league, team hardly matter and does not make him neither a good fit, neither a good buy. Same thing was with Kagawa, who came here as "a top star", but turned out to be average at best.
Now will Mkhitaryan do any better? I hope so. We are only 10 games inside new season and he will have more chances surely.
But he should be judged for his performances for United that right now are underwhelming. If that changes then great. Of course i am happy if the team does well with any player. But if he fails, then to blame it on some other stuff its just stupid. If he truly is a top player he will perform, if not then not.
Of course i am all for him having another chance. But real top players, they don't adjust to new league for months. Just look at other successful transfers. Suarez, Bale, Kroos just basically almost anyone hit the ground running as it was nothing.
I don't think Kagawa burned out. I think he was a terrific player who would have been great for us had we not bought RvP. We saw RvP was available during the summer however, and acted quickly. Kagawa suffered by playing in a different position and rarely ever played with the full first XI in a number 10 role (which went to Rooney).
Mkhitaryan joins us as the first marquee signing, aside from Pogba, who will play in his referred role. I agree his bundasliga form doesn't mean he's a ''sure hit'' but by the same token I don't think its a load of bull either.
“I cannot confirm if he will play tomorrow but he is fit and it is time for him to go back to the levels we know he can achieve.” Jose...
Kind of an odd thing to say. He's fit....but from Jose is seeing in training, maybe, isn't up to the levels he expects him to be?....just a bit of a negative comment..
Kind of an odd thing to say. He's fit....but from Jose is seeing in training, maybe, isn't up to the levels he expects him to be?....just a bit of a negative comment..
So where is this fecker then?
Suarez scored 4 league goals till Feb, so stop rewriting history. Same with Bale and Modric.
Look at the way he carries the ball and runs at defenders. He even does it against Tottenham where he gets out of so many tricky situations.
Why the feck aren't we using this guy when his skill set is a level above Lingard and Rashford ffs.
I've never seen those two play on the wings as well as him. We desperately need him.
IMAGINE the combination of Martial, Mata, Mkhitaryan. That would be absolutely devastating. Unfortunately we have to settle for Rashford, Fellaini, Lingard
There is not a single piece of evidence to support that really. Kagawa had enough chances to make it here, to take the number 10 role, if he was good enough, he would have done so. In terms of his achievements, he basically had only one very good season. And since he left us, he does look a bit better, obviously he is more suited for less physical Bundesliga, but he is nowhere near a top player. He is not even a starter for Dortmund.
I don't think Mkhitaryan is marquee signing. He is fairly average player that had a very good year. last one. Before that he was not really hitting it off at Dortmund, his season in the yar before, that is 14-15 was really awful. Which is why his contract was not extended by Dortmund actually.
Last year he was good, but he is 27, almost 28 years old. I mean really top players, real marquee signing have these sort of season at 21-22. And then they keep the level of their performances. Whether Mkhitaryan can replicate his last season's form remains to bee seen. But saying he is a top player, when he had only a single really good season in top league by the time he is 27 is hardly justified.
It reminds me of that Kagawa-Hazard situation, where many fans when we did sign Kagawa were saying that he is not worse, maybe even better. Of course he is worse, miles worse. Same with Mkhitaryan if we for example compare him to De Bryune.
He had a lot of assists. And he was playing really well, contributing to the team winning games.
When Suaez, Bale or Modric had such a dreadful game as Mkhitaryan against City?
Maybe because he was bloody injured that's why he had such a shit game.
He was not. As i've said it was hardly a niggle. Injured players, the ones that really injured, don't play.
Some strange analysis of a player who has hardly kicked a ball this season. I don't think he will start against City, after the first encounter it's the wrong game for a comeback. I think he'll start against Burnley on Saturday. I'm heading to the game on Saturday and looking forward to it despite yesterday. We need to see him at number 10 in my opinion. Keep Martial and Rashford on the wings. We really need to find our best 11 now. Bailly being out is a big blow but maybe Blind back at CB will give Shaw the opportunity. I think Mkhitarayan is exactly what we need in this United team. We need a directness and more through balls and Pogba back in midfield.
Yeah I agree, I don't think for one moment Jose will put him in against City, but Burnley really is the perfect game to use him.
There was no evidence to say kagawa burned out either. He played in the wrong position most the time. Having him as number 10 means dropping Rooney, which would hardly ever happen. The only time it did was when kagawa played ahead of him versus Real away in Fergusons final year and he was the best player on the pitch. After that, he was chronically misused by Moyes just like the rest of the players were.
What madness is this? Since when does there have to be minimum age to have standout years? 27 isn't old, it's prime. He's obviously not an average player, that's just silly.
Can't see him playing against City, not unless he's a sub. Seems like Mourinho really took a disliking to him after that game for some reason. I know he was bad but Lingard was worse, very strange.
Perhaps he completely ignored his instructions.
Perhaps he completely ignored his instructions.
Would absolutely love to sign this guy, i had a dream over the summer where we did and i was so excited.
There is, he had a whole year under Fergie and hardly done anything of note except score 3 goals against relegation team.
As for his positioning, actually he played on the left for Dortmund and national team a lot before coming to United. And after United at Dortmund last year he also played on the wing for quite some time.
He was not playing as number 10 in that game, and also he hardly was one of better players on the pitch, never mind the best. He was subbed after 10-15 minutes of the second half as i remember, because he was completely knackered. So much for a best player on the pitch.
27 years is not old, but it's very old in terms of having your breakthrough season in the top league. As I've said, it's stupid to name every player who had one good year a top one.
Just google Wolfsburg and their champion year in Bundesliga. Was like a 2010 or something. Anyway they had this brazilian guy, who was like 28 or 29 and he was like really good that year, top scorer, great goals. So was he a top player? Not really. He never reached that level again. Or you can take another dozen examples like that. The fact is Mkhitaryan was average in 13-14, was quite bad in 14-15 for Dortmund and then he had one really good year in 15-16, but that alone is not enough to dub him a top player, even a very good one, above average ones.
And no i don't mean average in terms of world football, that's just moronic. Because if we take the whole world, then the average player is the one that plays in 3-rd league. I m talking about United-level average. For example Valencia is an average player etc.
Wow that's an excellent piece of video and all of that in one season. Why the hell isn't Mourinho playing him? He runs at defenders and put teams on the backfoot which no one in our team can do besides Martial
Kagawa 2.0?
What are the Dortmund fans saying about all this?
Something isn't right and it's nothing to do with football IMO. The manager comes out to say he's back in training and yet he's not even made the bench for the last 2 games....all isn't well behind the scenes at OT
I'm a Dortmund sympathiser and I don't know what to say. Apparently everyone's saying he is fit and not injured. I actually thought he was still injured.
Not worried about this, he'll get into the team eventually. For all people know maybe he or his family are struggling to settle and the club are giving him some time without pressure.
It's all from one season but from skipping through it I think it actually doesn't even include Bundesliga material. Most Bundesliga videos get banned right away so people only use the German cup or EL/CL matches for compilations about Bundesliga players. So basically the video would feature many more amazing scenes in reality as it completely neglects the domestic season.
Pilib de Brun said Jose has not been impressed with his attitude towards his rehabilitation from injury.
Since when did he have a fecking clue ?
This guy needs to be in the team. Our attack is slow and predictable. He is anything but.
Called it. This will be Mourinhos Luis, Salah, Cuadrado of this season.
Weren't arsenal linked with him at the start of the summer? He might have just bought him to block them off.
Weren't arsenal linked with him at the start of the summer? He might have just bought him to block them off.
He doesn't.
I find it strange that we signed this guy and he's only played about 60 minutes for us over 2 matches. I know he's had injuries but this just reeks of a "Chelsea cameo signing". Remember when they signed good players like Cuadrado, Felipe Luis, Salah, Pato, etc? Then never played them? We're seeing that at United with Mkhitaryan.
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