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mitchmouse said:
I agree although I think what he might be saying is something some people used to say about Andy Cole: is a goal when you are 3-0 with 10 minutes to go the same as getting the only goal of the game? (not sure it counts in the ronaldo case as his hat tricks were United's only goals in those games). Those goals Cantona scored in 1-0 wins in his first full season certainly were more important than others scored that year but i think the criticism of Cole was wrong and it feels like people are trying to rewrite history simply because a player wants to leave the club now. I just don't see that as a crime - after all, we are always happy when a player want to join us - having left another club
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Any goal is important, would you say any of those 8 goals scored by England last night are less important than each other for example?

I've never understood the logic that a third goal of a game is any less important than a single goal, considering we once lost a league by virtue of goal difference. Had we not lost 6-1 to City we could have won for example, making every goal that City scored vital.

Goals scored all count the same, and for someone to try and diminish Ronaldo's influence last season because he scored two hat tricks is baffling and smacks of agenda driven nonsense.
 
So Malacia, Martinez, De Jong and Eriksen the most likely outcome and Ronaldo probably staying so that we can concentrate on getting a proper number 9 next season?

Not a bad summer of deals if this is the case. The DM, RB, RW, and striker positions will eventually need to be sorted but Rome wasn't built in a day :cool:
 
Irwin99 said:
So Malacia, Martinez, De Jong and Eriksen the most likely outcome and Ronaldo probably staying so that we can concentrate on getting a proper number 9 next season?

Not a bad summer of deals if this is the case. The DM, RB, RW, and striker positions will eventually need to be sorted but Rome wasn't built in a day :cool:
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I think they’ll prioritise a forward before Martinez, who they will probably wait until the end of the window to sign once he kicks up a bit of fuss / refuses to train and his value drops
 
LawCharltonBest said:
I think they’ll prioritise a forward before Martinez, who they will probably wait until the end of the window to sign once he kicks up a bit of fuss / refuses to train and his value drops
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Not really sure who though, other than the links to Antony maybe? Looking at the striker/winger options the squad does seem a bit thin, but possibly manageable for one season at least?

Sancho
Ronaldo
Martial
Rashford
Elanga
Bruno (back up option)

If some of those players play to their potential it won't be so bad.
 
Irwin99 said:
So Malacia, Martinez, De Jong and Eriksen the most likely outcome and Ronaldo probably staying so that we can concentrate on getting a proper number 9 next season?

Not a bad summer of deals if this is the case. The DM, RB, RW, and striker positions will eventually need to be sorted but Rome wasn't built in a day :cool:
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That would be a good window. I still hope we buy an attacking player/forward but maybe next summer
 
Escobar said:
That would be a good window. I still hope we buy an attacking player/forward but maybe next summer
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I'd say its a risky window.

Left relying heavily on...

Maguire/Lindelof/Bailly, Telles/ Shaw/ (unproven young LB) , Wan Bisaka/ Dalot, McFred, Martial, Rashford. And then needing to rely quite heavily on unproven youth otherwise.

That's a lot of players who have recently shown bad form or have a history of injuries. Youth are always a risk and very few make the grade.
 
Irwin99 said:
So Malacia, Martinez, De Jong and Eriksen the most likely outcome and Ronaldo probably staying so that we can concentrate on getting a proper number 9 next season?

Not a bad summer of deals if this is the case. The DM, RB, RW, and striker positions will eventually need to be sorted but Rome wasn't built in a day :cool:
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Can see Martinez filling in at DM when suitable, in terms of RW think it depends on whether Utd can find a price for Antony which suits. RB really looks short on options since the Timber stuff went dead. I still wouldn't rule out a backup striker coming in IF Ronaldo stays.
 
UnitedFire said:
I'd say its a risky window.

Left relying heavily on...

Maguire/Lindelof/Bailly, Telles/ Shaw/ (unproven young LB) , Wan Bisaka/ Dalot, McFred, Martial, Rashford. And then needing to rely quite heavily on unproven youth otherwise.

That's a lot of players who have recently shown bad form or have a history of injuries. Youth are always a risk and very few make the grade.
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But a realistic one. We cant sign 8 new players and EtH cant fix us quickly after years of mismanagement.
I have confidence that some players will find their best form again.
 
why are so many people saying the FdJ deal is done? I see no evidence of this yet?
 
mitchmouse said:
why are so many people saying the FdJ deal is done? I see no evidence of this yet?
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Everyone unzipped after Murtough and that guy from the pub were filmed together in Barcelona.

I’m of the thought it has to happen now otherwise it will surely go down in as one of the biggest transfer shambles.
 
Irwin99 said:
Not really sure who though, other than the links to Antony maybe? Looking at the striker/winger options the squad does seem a bit thin, but possibly manageable for one season at least?

Sancho
Ronaldo
Martial
Rashford
Elanga
Bruno (back up option)

If some of those players play to their potential it won't be so bad.
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That's a big "if" though, isn't it? It's not clear if Ronaldo will stay yet. He might decide to leave right at the end of the window and we would be fecked. Relying on Martial and especially Rashford is a recipe for disaster. Elanga was useful as a crutch last season, but it quickly became evident he is not ready for the big leagues. Friendly against Liverpool did very little to to convince me otherwise. He should be loaned. Bruno as a winger or a striker is a horrific idea.

We need a forward.
 
Telsim said:
We need a forward.
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This x 1000!

Even just losing Cavani and Mason the Wrongun justifies 2 new attacking players purely on a replacement level.

Plus as much as Ronaldo was quality at times last season there’s no guarantee he won’t get injured or go cold this year.

I’d like to see us sign ‘one for the future’, which for me is Gouri, i’m a bit of a fanboy, plus just literally anyone who can score a handful of goals…Pukki, Mitrovich, literally anyone.

Otherwise we’re going to see Phil Jones deployed as an emergency 9 which people will somehow justify as ‘masterful total football’
 
James35 said:
Everyone unzipped after Murtough and that guy from the pub were filmed together in Barcelona.

I’m of the thought it has to happen now otherwise it will surely go down in as one of the biggest transfer shambles.
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It certainly wouldn't be the first of such shambles, but it feels like one of the first where we haven't done much other business in the mean time.

Big flops from the past off the top of my head and some even pre date the Glazers:
Shearer, Batistuta, Ronaldinho, Sneijder, Aguero, Hazard, Thiago, Kroos, Fabregas, Perisic, Ramos, de Ligt, Bellingham, Haaland

If news is to be believed about £5m was usually the kind of gap that caused the deals to collapse. In the Shearer case that was just unfortunate boyhood dreams that are hard to overcome. Bellingham and Haaland being opportunities in the first team.

In recent years it feels like we've not dropped too many big links (probably because no one else is willing to pay the premium either), but we have dragged them out. Bruno and Sancho being the obvious ones. Those stretched multiple windows. In the case of Sancho you could certainly say that it made sense to hold off, because it cost £70m rather than £120-130m.

I'm not sure he would have justified the extra £50m+ in terms of impact of having him earlier, but that's hard to gauge. Maybe if he had arrived the season before he would be better settled and might have been the edge to get us in the Champions League.

In reality I think an extra £50m on a DM would have made a bigger difference and that is where our biggest failure lies.

I don't blame the Glazers if Barca were asking £100m for dJ and we instead buy him next season for £60m, but in the mean time we should be getting 2 other top class players to ensure the overall squad is still capable of challenging.

Buying Pellistri and Amad instead of a DM was foolish. It should have been both if these youngsters were investment opportunities.

Similarly this season we can't afford to forget about midfield because our primary option doesn't look workable. And we can't get players not ready to start.
 
Ok I'm officially a moaner It's mid July and the season starts in a few weeks. We've signed 1 player and sold 1. We really should have more business done at this stage. This season is not a normal season, loads of games before the World Cup, a bad start and you're screwed.
 
Spurs and Chelsea are having a good window, feckers

Who needs top 4 anyway, it's overrated. We can dominate Europa for years :drool:
 
Chelsea was the last team people hung onto when telling others to stop fecking moaning about United’s lack of transfers. They now look to be getting to two official deals done before us and both first team players to boot. We are yet to replace any of the first team players that left us.

Hopefully we have something done by weekend as this squad as is, is almost certainly not getting top 4.
 
James35 said:
Chelsea was the last team people hung onto when telling others to stop fecking moaning about United’s lack of transfers. They now look to be getting to two official deals done before us and both first team players to boot. We are yet to replace any of the first team players that left us.

Hopefully we have something done by weekend as this squad as is, is almost certainly not getting top 4.
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I don't even think eriksen, malacia, de Jong and martinez is good enough window for a top 4 place over chelsea.

Spurs look odds on for for 3rd place this season and Chelsea will make two very strong signings in koulibaly and sterling, it looks likely they will get ake and obviously have even more money to spend on transfers with offers for raphina and Lewandowski been put forward, then there is the return of gallagher from loan that was a stand out midfielder in the premier league last season.
 
I don’t believe it’s hysteria to say we are already miles behind Chelsea, Citeh, Pool and Spurs in the transfer window - after finishing miles behind at the end of the season. Sorry, but I don’t care who we’re currently taking to, it’s nowhere near good enough.
 
Is Sasa Kalajdzic a thing, or is it just another in a long line of names linked to United?
 
Speako said:
I don’t believe it’s hysteria to say we are already miles behind Chelsea, Citeh, Pool and Spurs in the transfer window - after finishing miles behind at the end of the season. Sorry, but I don’t care who we’re currently taking to, it’s nowhere near good enough.
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Yes indeed.
If you are standing still you are going backwards compared to your competitors. And we are not even standing still compared to City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Tottenham. And maybe even Arsenal and don't discount Newcastle.
 
Very concerning.

Why in God’s name can’t we get a couple of the other signings done if the De Jong one has to go on longer?
 
Lee565 said:
I don't even think eriksen, malacia, de Jong and martinez is good enough window for a top 4 place over chelsea.

Spurs look odds on for for 3rd place this season and Chelsea will make two very strong signings in koulibaly and sterling, it looks likely they will get ake and obviously have even more money to spend on transfers with offers for raphina and Lewandowski been put forward, then there is the return of gallagher from loan that was a stand out midfielder in the premier league last season.
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Yeah I’d agree I was being positive, I’m thinking 4th at the very best even if we sign all the players we are linked to. More like 6th again otherwise. I think it has been a poor window so far and we really need something positive to happen soon.

I dread to think of us losing to Brighton on day one especially if we still haven’t made adequate additions to the squad.
 


this would certainly help with the rebuild if there is any truth to it.....sorry but you take the 30m and he goes off and makes stupid money for his age
 
bosskeano said:


this would certainly help with the rebuild if there is any truth to it.....sorry but you take the 30m and he goes off and makes stupid money for his age
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What does £30m get you though? Brobbey? I wouldn’t swap Ronaldo for Brobbey and consider it good business. Show me some actual viable options and I’ll happily wave Ronaldo off.
 
BuzzKillington said:
What does £30m get you though? Brobbey? I wouldn’t swap Ronaldo for Brobbey and consider it good business. Show me some actual viable options and I’ll happily wave Ronaldo off.
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you put that 30m towards making certain you bring in Antony or Moussa Dembele from Lyon is an option as well.....love ronaldo but he doesn't fit the pressing style that ETH wants to play
 
He’s said we’re still after improving midfield and ‘in the offense’ which hopefully means we’ll get a striker and someone like De Jong on top of Malacia, Martinez and likely Eriksen.

Still a long way to go transfer wise.
 
Champ said:
Any goal is important, would you say any of those 8 goals scored by England last night are less important than each other for example?

I've never understood the logic that a third goal of a game is any less important than a single goal, considering we once lost a league by virtue of goal difference. Had we not lost 6-1 to City we could have won for example, making every goal that City scored vital.

Goals scored all count the same, and for someone to try and diminish Ronaldo's influence last season because he scored two hat tricks is baffling and smacks of agenda driven nonsense.
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This is a good argument but there are players who pad their stats by scoring a lot of goals against weaker sides or in a handful of games. The best goalscoring records feature goals against the best teams and the worst in many games. Goal difference is important but not as important as points. 10 goals in 10 games can get you 30 points while 10 goals in 1 game can get you 3.
 
I'm considering Malacia, Martinez, Eriksen and De Jong done deals.

ST, RW and RB will be interesting to see who we're linked with now.
 
MrSingh2002 said:
I'm considering Malacia, Martinez, Eriksen and De Jong done deals.

ST, RW and RB will be interesting to see who we're linked with now.
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Martinez and Eriksen sure.... De Jong??? No way. Hopefully we pull it off but it definitely looks more likely he stays than comes here at the moment imo.

The success/failure of this window rests entirely on Frenkie IMO. Success if he comes, failure if not (after missing out on so many others because of him). Also because he's a dream target for us, that if he comes, then I couldn't care less about who else comes it's still a success.

St/RW/RB i would guess are next year targets unfortunately. We are definitely short in attack, especially since Greenwood is removed from last year's options. Even more so if Ronaldo leaves. If he stays, we can probably manage but not ideal anyway because of his age.
 
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BuzzKillington said:
What does £30m get you though? Brobbey? I wouldn’t swap Ronaldo for Brobbey and consider it good business. Show me some actual viable options and I’ll happily wave Ronaldo off.
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Might get us somebody that can press and play faster though. Not to mention open up chances for the younger lads to step up.

Similar situation to when RVN had to give way to Rooney and Ronaldo. History repeats itself.
 
I've read all this thread and I still don't know who we are going to sign.
 
Tyrion said:
This is a good argument but there are players who pad their stats by scoring a lot of goals against weaker sides or in a handful of games. The best goalscoring records feature goals against the best teams and the worst in many games. Goal difference is important but not as important as points. 10 goals in 10 games can get you 30 points while 10 goals in 1 game can get you 3.
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10 goals in ten games could also get you zero points.
Whereas ten goals in one game is near enough guaranteed to get you three points.
 
DevilRed said:
Might get us somebody that can press and play faster though. Not to mention open up chances for the younger lads to step up.

Similar situation to when RVN had to give way to Rooney and Ronaldo. History repeats itself.
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Except Brobbey is no Rooney, and Amad/Elanga are no Ronaldo.

This club is in crisis, but signing players that are good for Norwich won't help us.
 
Telsim said:
That's a big "if" though, isn't it? It's not clear if Ronaldo will stay yet. He might decide to leave right at the end of the window and we would be fecked. Relying on Martial and especially Rashford is a recipe for disaster. Elanga was useful as a crutch last season, but it quickly became evident he is not ready for the big leagues. Friendly against Liverpool did very little to to convince me otherwise. He should be loaned. Bruno as a winger or a striker is a horrific idea.

We need a forward.
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I agree, we basically have 4 players competing for 3 starting spots(That is if Ronaldo stays). We need at least 1 forward otherwise we are in trouble.
 
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