Everyone was very poor at the end of Jose’s reign. Blaming rashford and his “poor attitude” for his sacking tells me you have one almighty agenda.
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I hope you also remember how old Cristiano Ronaldo and Wayne Rooney were when they were tasked to make up for the attacking output after Ruud was gone. That was a mighty task that required leadership in its own right.
Under one manager, it can be a coincidence. But for the same problems to appear when 2 managers needed him, it is no longer a coincidence. Pogba and Lingard did the same crap, and now they are finally gone, thank God. That is not an agenda; it is dealing with the real world.
It is young. I am hoping having Lingard out of the picture might get his focus back on football, I am not talking about his feeding children campaign. I am more getting out the general silliness you get with Lingard.
Wasn’t Rashford injured during Oles final period?
Didnt he play through injury to his detriment during Oles tenure?
No. It wasn’t under two managers. Rashford’s attitude has never been questioned until this season predominantly under Ragnick. Until this season he’s been constantly playing through injuries so it would be a bit weird to question it. You seem to think players having bad form at any point in their career = attitude problem. The attitude problem that got Jose sacked was his own - he’s a toxic bellend.
He had surgery after the Euros and then was given time to recover. The time between his return and Ole's sacking was when I began to grow mad at him for being totally disinterested when he is supposed to get out there and make haters swallow their words. None of that happened, and he legitimately lost his place to Jadon Sancho and Anthony Elanga.
You mean the time coming back from a long injury lay off…. Into a dysfunctional team in free fall? Right ok
For all the talk of 5 signings and money being raised by sales…the smart money would be on us doing 2, maybe 3 signings for the first team squad and grinding to a halt, as is the case most summers. No cnut wants to buy these players. And so it goes. We’ve already heard all the usual “squad is better than it showed last season” stuff. ETH will get the same fare as the last few managers: backed up to a point but then asked to work with players who have been repeatedly shown to be not good enough.
Absolutely. Add to that, he will not get his preferred targets and will end up with alternatives picked out by the scouting team. People will say he signed these players and it will be his fault if they are shit. A lot of money will be spent on second tier players and people will say he was backed. It’s a depressing thought but I can’t see things being much different to that.
There should be no valid reasons as to why Elanga was trusted more at some point.
The team being dysfunctional doesn't excuse the lack of urgency and general laziness when defending
Im not talking about under Rangnick
He came back from injury only weeks before Ole was sacked so attaching blame to him to me seems far fetched
My only issue with some signings depending on sales is that we seem unable to sell anyone. Henderson was our best shot at generating funds this summer and he's allowed to go on loan, unless it's with an obligatory option to buy this doesn't help the club whatsoever.
And that's why Pogba and Lingard weren't sold. They both ran their contracts down, that was the plan.
We had offers for Lingard on multiple summers. We decided not to sell
It's not so much that we haven't done anything yet, it's how much we need to do just to keep pace with the likes of Arsenal and Spurs. It's looking likely we'll have only fallen further behind in squad quality once the window shuts.
What a relief.
Which was a mistake.
Reality Check, the Glaziers love all the transfer speculation it drives social media interest which is what Richard Arnold is on record of saying just this, It pains me to say but I actually think these Morons might be waiting on a number of things in order before they buy the 2 or 3 players max;
1. Can we get any money in with player sales ? If no spin the story through the media that manager wants to work with a squad that came second a season ago.Tick
2.We only want NDJ because he can implement the new managers style so
Put all the other options on hold until we either get it done or not get it done .
Tick NDJ says no and the other options on the list have signed for other teams, once again our board prove to be the most inept administrators in football
3. Is a certain player who will not be named potentially coming back in the next two weeks because of failure with evidence to charge or convict? If so, the club will do the wrong thing and reintegrate so no potential right winger is needed or back up CFW(yes these clowns actually work this way!) so therefore the club can reallocate the £50-60M we have for that player to go towards a new CB and Right Back. Still up in the air ?
We can all see what’s going on I used to get excited by transfer windows but now I just pity the poor players we sign who will be derided by the fans because the simply trying to express themselves and the the whole toxicity of the club spreads like wildfire even into the canteen room. Some one call me when the Glazier exit the club so I can return to supporting my beloved United!
1. Can we get any money in with player sales ? If no spin the story through the media that manager wants to work with a squad that came second a season ago.Tick
2.We only want NDJ because he can implement the new managers style so
Put all the other options on hold until we either get it done or not get it done .
Tick
NDJ says no and the other options on the list have signed for other teams, once again our board prove to be the most inept administrators in football 3. Is a certain player who will not be named potentially coming back in the next two weeks because of failure with evidence to charge or convict? If so, the club will do the wrong thing and reintegrate so no potential right winger is needed or back up CFW(yes these clowns actually work this way!) so therefore the club can reallocate the £50-60M we have for that player to go towards a new CB and Right Back. Still up in the air ?
We can all see what’s going on I used to get excited by transfer windows but now I just pity the poor players we sign who will be derided by the fans because the simply trying to express themselves and the the whole toxicity of the club spreads like wildfire even into the canteen room. Some one call me when the Glazier exit the club so I can return to supporting my beloved United!
Agree. And it shows that he could have been sold instead of being allowed to run his contract down.
Same goes for Pogba and Matic and pretty much anyone
After finishing below them last season, it’s possible that they will both end up spending more than us, even though we’re the ones going through a rebuild with a mass exodus of players leaving on a free added to that.
Kroenke has turned on the taps a bit in the last few years and Spurs have raised £150m for summer purchases (plus both clubs have London to offer and, in Spurs' case, Champions League football and a world class manager).
Where did you see anything about blaming Ole's sacking on Rashford?
You can fool some of the people, all of the time.
For 25m we could have wrapped up deals for Kamara, Bissouma and Eriksen.
Any 3 of this lot is better than McFred
not quite losing my mind like some. That will happen if Tielemans moves for 25m and we aren’t in for him either
Any 3 of this lot is better than McFred
not quite losing my mind like some. That will happen if Tielemans moves for 25m and we aren’t in for him either
Do we want to be buying potentially average midfielders just because they are better than what we have already?
Umm…from the post I literally responded to?
Some people do it seems. I’d prefer we rebuild the right way. It will take more than 1 window. Even Ralph said it would take 3-4
Reality Check, the Glaziers love all the transfer speculation it drives social media interest which is what Richard Arnold is on record of saying just this, It pains me to say but I actually think these Morons might be waiting on a number of things in order before they buy the 2 or 3 players max;
1. Can we get any money in with player sales ? If no spin the story through the media that manager wants to work with a squad that came second a season ago.Tick
2.We only want NDJ because he can implement the new managers style so
Put all the other options on hold until we either get it done or not get it done .
Tick
3. Is a certain player who will not be named potentially coming back in the next two weeks because of failure with evidence to charge or convict? If so, the club will do the wrong thing and reintegrate so no potential right winger is needed or back up CFW(yes these clowns actually work this way!) so therefore the club can reallocate the £50-60M we have for that player to go towards a new CB and Right Back. Still up in the air ?
We can all see what’s going on I used to get excited by transfer windows but now I just pity the poor players we sign who will be derided by the fans because the simply trying to express themselves and the the whole toxicity of the club spreads like wildfire even into the canteen room. Some one call me when the Glazier exit the club so I can return to supporting my beloved United!
I really hope we're not waiting on Nigel De Jong. Think we'll be waiting a while!
For that kind of price yes. Better is still better. Then the team improves on the pitch and becomes more attractive again allowing us to buy even better players the following windows.
Why just stick with our crap and spunk most of our budget on one player who will not alone be able to improve the team enough.
Why not just wait a few windows to get the right players in? Otherwise you just get a boatload of new deadwood. I can understand that people just want to see as much change as possible but these things do take time. The answer isn’t just buying anybody who could be half decent, even if they are cheap.
Yes? Isn't that the whole point of improving the squad? Why can't we sign one or two average ones and a bona-fide star?
Bruno
de Jong - Kamara
With a backup of
Van de Beek
Tielemans - Fred
Is much better than what we have, and is arguably a top 4 capable midfield.
Add that 100M destroyer in a season or two and ship Fred off.
James was a useful player to have, despite never being a long term solution - the key is to sell players who aren't quite good enough on when you can. Which is the part we're not good at. Who knows maybe Tielemans and Kamara would surprise us and be brilliant. At that price it is well worth the punt.
I’d be perfectly happy with that as long as the scouting team was effective and had a clear idea of the profile of players required to work in the manager’s system. I appreciate that the competence of the “new” scouting team is as yet unknown.
I’m fairly certain that many of our signings in the Woodward era came about as a result of his being charmed into getting the cheque book out by smooth talking agents and selling clubs, rather than from any input by managers or scouts.
Oh no not this team finished second line again, completely down to Lampard burying Chelsea for first half of season, scouse injury to Van Dijk and empty stadiums.
Tielemans? Classic example of what I’m saying. Inconsistent player who on his day is really good, so we all want him as a shiny new toy but once that wears off we’d be sick of how inconsistent he is. I’d rather we wait for the likes of De Jong than buy in just anyone who’s better than what we’ve got.
Yeah and his departure is why a DM has to be the next priority IF we can get De Jong done
What baffles me is that the style of us doing business very slow has been around for a long long time and it seems to never change. Or am I wrong? I have no faith left in this club anymore and yet I'm gonna watch every game next season. How sad.
We haven't though. We changed some personell that came mostly from within the club anyway.
We changed manager yes but we've done that a lot over the last years so no reason no to get going early and properly. It seems we aren't though. Once again.
Any word on Sneijder?
Which never happened.
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