They aren't? There goes my membership.
It's one of those weird things, it extends to male nannies too. Loads of people think that it's not "normal".
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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It's one of those weird things, it extends to male nannies too. Loads of people think that it's not "normal".
I'm not. Far from it.
But when you are faced with the neanderthal bullshit about race and sex that has been spouted on the Caf this week it isn't hard to call it out.
Nuance isn't even a thing here.
Which is the second part of my post, where I agree with you.
I know. Loads of people think we are weird because I stayed at home (and worked for myself) for 5+ years to do the kindy/school runs. It has put me way back career wise and only now in my early 50's am I getting close to my wife's earnings.
But essentially what you responded to was a chap saying that feminism is about women having the right to choose, whether a woman wants a career, a family or both. There is obviously more to it than that but there is no ignorance there and he was not assuming it was his place to give permission to anyone. I actually would be fairly confident in guessing I hold a lot of similar views to you but you don't half go about discussing them in a snippy way.
The war itself was of course an exception. That apart I didn't say 100% of women with families in the 30s-50s gave up work , I said most did. I also said in the 80s 60% gave up work whilst having children, again not 100%.
If you remember you said "The stay at home mum was invented by wealthy, out of touch, religious folk." Which is bollocks.
Wait til I'm pissed off. I leave snippy far behind.
One of my pet hates is people (white men) giving minorities permission to be equal. It might not be meant but it is hugely condescending and entitled.
Yeah that would be stupid, he clearly didn't try and do so. Even if he had done, more flies with honey and all that.
I don't want to get this wrong, how can one state an opinion on equal opportunity without appearing to be 'giving permission'?
dude it is all in your brain.
It is like me telling someone "you can go and have food if you are hungry", and you are responding me, "thank you very much giving him permission to eat, how nice of you".
I mean come on.
It isn't hard. Don't phrase things as if they are your gifts to give.
It really isn't. Not even slightly.
I get what Wibble is talking about, you do hear blokes saying things like "You know what, if trans people (or some less informed term) want to use OUR bathrooms then we should let them" then looking around for everyone to affirm what a benevolent guy they are.
Just judging from the post I had highlighted I do think he has a blurred view on when people are and when they aren't doing this, it does exist though.
Just judging from the post I had highlighted I do think he has a blurred view on when people are and when they aren't doing this, it does exist though.
Having a bit of mare it seems....
yes you are right, I agree I am an entitled sexist MCP.
sorry for wasting your time.
carry on.
Poundland’s aggressive, hyper-sexualised elf ad campaign has ruined Christmas
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...xualised-elf-ad-campaign-has-ruined-christmas
Poundland’s aggressive, hyper-sexualised elf ad campaign has ruined Christmas
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...xualised-elf-ad-campaign-has-ruined-christmas
TBF I am not sure that is PC going mad. That does look pretty fecking weird and I am not really sure what they are trying to do other than be offensive to get attention.
Not sure what Poundland thought would happen there. It's like tweeting a joke about fisting. Can't really moan when people think it's crass.
It has to be said the Kent PD seem polite.
I just checked out their twitter and it is amusing that they tried to act rebellious in persisting with it and making jokes then a day later realised it was serious and posted a picture of female dolls tying up the male elf.
I just checked out their twitter and it is amusing that they tried to act rebellious in persisting with it and making jokes then a day later realised it was serious and posted a picture of female dolls tying up the male elf.
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That's a pretty perfect description of traditional gender roles, btw. The man dishonorably fails to feed the family, so the woman has to take up un-womanlike occupations. These attitudes have decreased a lot since then of course, but one result is that many women are now facing the double-bind of having to work while still being considered the person primarily responsible for kids and household.
Yes indeed, that's the way it was for many. There were social pressures then as now, they were just different ones. As well as financial pressures of course.
I suppose more people have more choice nowadays, but it does seem that many see life as a frantic rush to acquire possessions, at the expense of time.
It's because we don't know what to do with time. People can't sit 5 minutes in silent without reaching for their phones, time is wasted on most of us.
Financial pressures are a lot higher now. Nowadays it’s virtually impossible to own your home and raise a family on one income alone.
Nah, I disagree. Nobody blinks an eye if a man just takes a week or two off when his kid is born then spends 5 days a week getting home after they’re in bed. That’s almost the norm.
Opting to be a stay at home dad isn’t the norm but it’s seen as a modern, progressive thing to do. For any woman that writes “housewife” as their occupation on a form, there’s a sense that they’ll being very old-fashioned and doing a disservice to the battle for equal opportunities.
Yeah, often new pressures replace the old ones in the process. In the end, the ceiling of emancipation in capitalism is becoming an equal part of the workforce. Still something that absolutely has to be preferred over various kinds of discrimination, but in many ways nothing to rejoice over.
It's only really a choice from a certain income upwards imo, for many it is simply a necessity. When you include things like a sufficient pension, prosthodontics, etc. in the outlook, securing even the basics at an older age requires a significant lifetime income.
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fecking hell teabagging
Poundland’s aggressive, hyper-sexualised elf ad campaign has ruined Christmas
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...xualised-elf-ad-campaign-has-ruined-christmas
What were they thinking?
Outside London it's still possible on not much above the average wage, especially if one parent only takes a few years out. But during those years they won't have an iphone each, a car each, foreign holidays, meals out, the latest 4k telly or whatever.
If you're on less than average wage then it's a different matter, as I've referred to in earlier posts. And if you're on anywhere even close to average wage and in London then, why?
If you equate my 'not much above the average wage' as being your 'rich', then you're both right, yes.
And that’s only if you live outside of London and make cuts.
Agreed. Like I said 'still possible'.
Sure it’s possible but not wholly realistic for a lot couples/families.
Wibble, you are a very Judgemental person, always have been. No one is as good as you are they? Or as smart?
You are the total typical fudd everyone should laugh at. On the Internet of course...
Which is where you live......mongo..
Go and be nice.
Bye
So objecting to racist or sexist views is judgmental is it? If so then so be it. It might be a football forum but this is 2017 and the pervasive sexist and racist views displayed on here would be better suited to the 1950s. So it is nothing to do with goodness (whatever that is) or intelligence. It simply not being a bigoted cnut in some cases and in most cases not allowing bigoted language to persist just because it is too hard to think about. Far easier to shout "It's PC gone mad".
If people find that something to laugh about I'm pretty sure that I can live with that. You laughing at my views I take as a complement. And believe it or not I stand up for exactly the same thing in real life except luckily very few people you encounter believe such rubbish or at the very least realise they are shameful things to believe and don't repeat them in public.
As for the bolded bits. You are telling me to be nice? Scousers never were good with irony*
* apologies as his is probably a baseless stereotype**
** not really sorry
If my eldest Granddaughter grows up to be a mechanic, & the youngest one ends up in a caring profession (hospital or nursery), then it'll be a win-win as far as your concerned. One has broken free of the oppressive patriarchy, but the other one shows there's still work to be done for the modern feminist.
Of course, there's always the chance you might eventually realize that it's genetics, & not conditioning, that actually makes us what we are.
Having a different point of view to someone else isn't ignorance. Unless you happen to be a narcissist that is.
You really should try reading some of Camille Paglia's stuff you know. You might even learn something about yourself & free yourself from some of the ignorance that is consuming you. She claims that women pretty much call all the shots anyway in modern civilized society. Firstly, according to her, we men never truly break free of our mother's control & influence. The poem by William Ross Wallace 'The hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world' highlights the strong female presence that's been about since time began. Secondly, the women control the bedroom. When it comes to sex we men are totally subversive. No matter how horny we may be, if our partners say no then that's that. Everything happens on female terms. We're just little dogs with our tails wagging just craving attention from our master. If she says get down, we get down. So never mind all this stuff about the poor women not having a say in the boardroom. They totally control one of the most important aspect of the male lives.
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Yeah, I'd totally agree with that. But how do you fix it ? A lot of the pressures for both sexes stem from trying to keep up with the Jones's of this world, & managing the demands & expectations of our children in this commercial & capitalist world. If they don't get what they want for their birthday or Christmas, we feel like we've failed them. That's a heavy burden for men & women. But I certainly take your point that women in general have in tougher.
Well that’s a tricky one to answer. The fact that it’s so difficult, financially, for any family to make something of themselves with just one earner is a big problem. Cheap, high quality childcare would help. And/or more financial upside for parents who choose to stay at home and rear their kids.
Obviously, if more people were willing to live humbler lives and society was less consumerist that would help too...