28 years ago a lot of predominantly white males were unlawfully killed at a football match. It took over 2 decades for their families, friends, & others fighting their cause before the wheels of justice started turning. Therefore you can understand why people like me don't get too fussed about snowflakes crying because someone on social media has said something nasty about them. Life, & society, doesn't owe them anything.
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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28 years ago a lot of predominantly white males were unlawfully killed at a football match. It took over 2 decades for their families, friends, & others fighting their cause before the wheels of justice started turning. Therefore you can understand why people like me don't get too fussed about snowflakes crying because someone on social media has said something nasty about them. Life, & society, doesn't owe them anything.
Using Hillsborough to attack political correctness is a new one.
New low more like.
You have lost the plot now. Your post which I responded to was about the 'hierarchy of snowflakes' sensitivity' and nothing to do with kind of tragedy now you have referenced in your post.
My post was in response to your sarcastic reply regarding my 'hierarchy' opinion. Hillsborough was an extreme example of how white males are just as likely to be on the receiving end of injustice & discrimination as anyone else. My initial point was simply to highlight the fact that most white males don't reach the offended levels that those further up the tree general do. & seeing as the only replies I received were a couple of laughter emoticons relating to my typo, plus your in-depth one-liner. I can take it then that most people agree with my aforementioned opinion.
But lets get things back on track & see where you really stand on this pc bollocks. A few pages back I made the point that throughout the course of my life I've encountered numerous successful people from all walks of life, & from different backgrounds relating their skin colour, gender, & religion. The one common denominator they all shared was a infectious, positive attitude to life. I've posted below an interview with Morgan Freeman in which the interviewer asks if race is a factor in an individual's ability to achieving success. He replies that just like religion, it's simply an excuse for not getting there. Do you agree with him ?
I tried to tell y'all about bi-erasure.
And I'd imagine it's much easier for someone to have a positive attitude to life if they've grown up/live in ideal social circumstances and haven't spent their entire lives being downtrodden. Not necessarily limiting that to any particular gender/race/class at all, but it's not necessarily easy to expect someone to be 'positive' if they're suffering from severe mental health issues, issues which can obviously be aggravated by external circumstances, whether they be money worries, unemployment, family issues etc.
I like Freeman but for everyone like him who's made it big there'll be plenty of people who were never able to get such opportunities and who've lived fairly shit lives. Growing up in difficult circumstances (not sure whether Freeman himself did or not) obviously exacerbates these problems.
I don't think we are going to agree on this. Straight white males are not just as likely to be discriminated against. Within that set, a privilege plays a role to further create a sub set of folks even less likely to face any discrimination. But that does not mean a tragedy works by the same rule.
Freeman is welcome to his opinion but he is wrong. Blacks in America are not just worse off on average than their white counterparts just because they don't have the will power to better their lives.
My mind is gradually changing on this. The extreme sensitivity these days used to annoy me to high hell. I do think it might be serving a noble purpose in that it has made it feel safer for people like those women Louis CK was inappropriate with to come forward.
I love Louis CK but he put them in a crap situation and them speaking up hopefully means he won't do it again. I still do find a lot of PC expectations annoying but in reality it is a pretty small price to pay.
I love Louis CK but he put them in a crap situation and them speaking up hopefully means he won't do it again. I still do find a lot of PC expectations annoying but in reality it is a pretty small price to pay.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...on-s-school-ban-Sleeping-Beauty.html#comments
Jesus Christ. Little girls have enjoyed stories like Sleeping Beauty for hundreds of years.
When did these women have to find malice in everything? Its a bloody love story / fairy tale that should make little girls blush and boys want to be a knight in shining armour.
Jesus Christ. Little girls have enjoyed stories like Sleeping Beauty for hundreds of years.
When did these women have to find malice in everything? Its a bloody love story / fairy tale that should make little girls blush and boys want to be a knight in shining armour.
I think that's what gets lost in the DM-style 'PC brigade' hating backlash.
what? There's nothing chauvinistic in what i said.The issue with such stories is that it involves girls always needing to be saved by men.
It's a Princess being saved by a Prince in a "fairytale" - that shouldn't create an "issue" for people who want inclusivity. No child, boy or girl would ever turn round and say "ooh look mommy, that man kissed that lady without asking." It's pathetic for her to have an issue with something that is innocent.
To your point on "these stories" - the Beauty and the Beast tale is the exact opposite, with the protagonist being the Girl who is able to break the spell and save the man...
They're also unrepresentative of the ugly majority. Why do all these princes and princesses have to be the most attractive in the land?
In fairness that is one woman. 1 woman the Murdochites found to create clicks. There's something equally stupid being said on the caf about every 2-3mins.
Because you have to kiss a lot of frogs before one turns into a handsome prince.
A fairer complaint, I suppose the Shrek films tried to break that mould.
They could do an interesting remake of Cinderella playing with this idea. Maybe Cinderella didnt do all the housework at all, maybe she did her share of the housework but she felt like because she was the pretty one she shouldnt have to do it at all.
Maybe she would have been allowed to go to the ball but she was grounded because she was being a spoilt brat and kicking off about the fact that she had been asked over and over and over again to do the washing up, but instead she spent her whole time face-timing with her mates in her room.
Maybe the "ugly sisters" needed a bit of an arm around their shoulders from their mother because everyone was always telling them how damn ugly they were. Maybe it is a bit disheartening going to a ball and knowing none of the eligible men there are going to give you a second look, knowing that your annoying little half sister, who everyone thinks is gorgeous, has men throwing themselves at her every time she goes out.
Maybe the wicked step mother wasnt that wicked at all. Maybe its not easy when you are in love with a man and marry him and take on his (bitch) daughter as your own, and then he dies and leaves you having to care for three kids on your own, while you cant afford to pay the bills, and your genetic daughters are being picked on at school and called wierpigs, and your stepdaughter wont do her chores without having an almighty meltdown about it. Being a parent isnt easy.
Plus, thinking about it, they had a mouse infestation. That shit can stress you out. But while the stepmother is cooking dinner, doing the food shopping and paying the bills, and ugly sister one is responsible for the laundry and taking out the bins, and ugly sister two is super busy with her A levels and also works at a bar in the evenings to earn a little extra money for the family, and while Cinderella is supposed to be sweeping and mopping the floor once a week, regardless of what she says about she says about always having to do it, she would rather live in a shithole and chat to the mice.
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Looks like the clickbait worked on you.
To top it all of, she goes to a payday loan shark to borrow an ungodly amount of money. Buys the most expensive dress she can find, heels from a god damn glazier of all people, rents a horse drawn carriage and then has the audacity to go to the ball for barely a moment. And having registered all this debt to the stressed out step mother she fecks off into the sunset with a vacuous aristocrat.
I believe part of this is that the loudest voices driving PC culture tend to be very obnoxious young people. I honestly think a lot of the people you are referring to are more anti being critiqued by obnoxious college students than they actually are anti PC.
That's probably a fair point tbf, plus the whole hounding of people on twitter is distasteful.
This story is so much more relevant for today's kids.
Cinderella: a story about bullying, entitlement, the importance of being attractive and excessive debt.
Lads, it's the Mail.
Belle, a nice girl who is having to put up with Gaston's attentions, a major sex pest, is traded to a monster by her father to save his own arse. The beast then keeps her prisoner and pesters her on a daily basis to marry him? Only once Stockholm Syndrome kicks in does she begin to "love" him. A true love story for the ages.
Shhhh. I love it when the "Its PC gone mad" brigade come out to play.
Sometimes there is a grain of truth though. It's not all outrage over exaggerated stories, even if it is the norm.
Political correctness at a base level is a very good thing, but there's definitely instances of it going too far, so I don't think it's right to lump everyone who says so in with the rest of the Daily Mail reading change-resisters.
I'm just playing. I do think that fairy tales are often rather misogynist in nature underneath the nice story but it is the general things like girls always needing to be rescued (and not just in fairy tales) that are harmful rather overthinking the kiss bit. I can't imagine asking a school not to read such a story to my kid though. If I thought there were issues I'd explain them to my kid.
They're a throwback to an older era I guess. Weren't most of them written in about 1800 and passed down? Most of them had things like murder, rape and incest in them so they've definitely been toned down as the years have gone on. I think asking people to change the damsel in distress to a strong independent woman might be a little too far for many though.
New stories come through that suit the zeitgeist of the time. Like Moana, a strong independent woman.
I haven't seen it (the girlfriend has), but isn't she also rescued by a big strong man?
He's a demigod, and she has to convince him to save all her people and in the end she's the one who does the saving more or less. He has magic powers though.
Theres a big strong man in it. They save each other. But Moana is the one who saves the day in the end.
We hopefully aren't at the stage where strong men actually aren't even allowed to exist anymore?
Sounds like the best of both worlds then. Disney are pretty progressive anyway aren't they, from what I've heard? The last 2 Star Wars films had female leads anyway.
I doubt the big strong man archetype will go away, but they should at least include some more diversity within that I think. It seems like every Disney prince is white, 6 foot 6 and looks like Hercules, which gives little girls an unrealistic expectation of men. Might be nice to have a change on that front too.
He's dumb as a bag of rocks, though. But that's ok because we're allowed to stereotype men as brainless, emotionally retarded beefcakes without raising the ire of the politically correct Twitterati.
Have you seen the movie?
I wouldn't call him dumb, he's cocky and doesn't listen to people. It's quite clear his goal is to win human affection as a way to deal with being abandoned by his human parents. He struggles with his emotions throughout and in the end is a pretty complete character. Far from the stereotypes you've trotted out. Hawaiian lore describes his demigod status so ye he's a 'beefcake'.
All in my opinion of course.
I have seen the movie. And enjoyed it. My comment wasn’t meant to be taken too seriously but he’s definitely typical of the man-child trope you get in a load of movies like this. Goofy and enthusiastic but completely lacking in emotionally intelligence. Which is the sort of gender stereotyping that would create a whole lot of Twitter drama if it was applied to a female character.
That was based on class, not race.