Hey now you sound like me! But i didn't mean it as an insult or compliment or anything, I just think you, intentionally or not, quoted him verbatim
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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It has been going on for a long time but the us vs them mentality definitely feels more prominent than it has been in a long time. It could possibly just be more glaring due to Twitter and the like.
Hey now you sound like me! But i didn't mean it as an insult or compliment or anything, I just think you, intentionally or not, quoted him verbatim
Possibly, the things I have seen of him which I liked is where he has taken a more moderate position in critiquing the very extremes of both. My only issue is that he says the right things about not lumping everyone into one side and assuming the worst then the second he gets in a somewhat heated debate it takes him about two seconds to start doing that.
Maybe. I avoid Twitter. It is a silly place.
Pretty much died for me once the boring James Milner account stopped posting new tweets.
Yeah that's annoying! Acts like everyone on the left are devout communists
It's probably as old as time but at least before you could try and ignore it. Now it's definitely in the mainstream I think, which is daft because it's a small group of people who think that way often portrayed as speaking for everyone.
True, the either you agree with what we say or you're against us mindset has been around forever, but i think the difference is how pervasive it has become among otherwise rational people and how they react to opposing ideologies. What used to be met with discourse or the very least a "feck you then" now is being met with powerful sanctions.
In this very thread there are many examples of people losing their jobs, getting removed from education or getting completely deplatformed by hysterical progressives while the right fecking murders people like in Charlottesville. We've gone from protesters just protesting to actively disrupting events/heckling speakers and people debating to just literally beating each other with clubs.
The Islam Holocaust phrase, it was some kind of a banner that was hung at random on some bridge back in 2015 in Poznań, not present at Warsaw's 2k17 march. You're also quoting Gazeta Wyborcza in your subsequent post, something that's even worse than British The Sun, given that its editor-in-chief is Michnik who was mentioned in @Tomuś 's post. He and his family are renowned communists, his brother was a 'judge' during Polish People's Republic reign who's sentenced numerous anti-communists to tortures, death sentences and other magical 'disapperances'.
I'll even give you the source from Wyborcza, check the timestamp: http://poznan.wyborcza.pl/poznan/1,...sparent-w-poznaniu.html?disableRedirects=true
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well that goes without saying i was more saying i don't understand their view as it seems contradictory.
The so called 'psycho-right wing' in Poland is so desperate to fuel smear campaigns meant for the purpose of character assassination that they avoid normal discussions and dive into scummy levels of history manipulations. Adam Michnik (born in 1946) was brought up in a family of communists, but his oppositional 'career' began very early in high school. He was a big figure in polish fight against the old system in 1968-1989 period. In that time he spent 3 years in prison plus 17 months in custodial isolation. The tiny nuance regarding his brother is that Stefan was born in 1929 year and his criminal activity took place in time of Stalinism, when Adam happened to be a little schoolboy. He left Poland for good in 1969.As a young man Adam Michnik used to be a socialist (now a social democrat), not a communist. The one thing that the current goverment in Poland is praised the most for are social transfers and adding in their approach towards economy they have to be considered as the biggest socialistic party since sysytemic transformation. Political situation here is really such a huge schizophrenic joke... People hate conservative liberals assuming they're left-wing, while they admire true socialists.
Fair enough with the banner, though that still leaves "white Europe" and "Pure Poland, White Poland" and "Death to enemies of the homeland", which are IMO alarming.
About the paper- the good thing is that there's no need to read a word of what they say, there is video of a hostile and forceful reaction to anti-fascist slogans, with those making the slogans requiring some medical attention.
With the manipulation I've pointed out in the article I'd be more than careful with accepting what's written there, that's pretty much the point. It doesn't mean that there were no idiots in the march, of course there were, I've read an article about a group of about 500 people at the end of the march creating some kind of a 'block' that consisted of groups that do not associate themselves with the group that forms the marches for years now (which would be Ruch Narodowy) and other groups that even criticise RN for making it a 'peaceful' march, instead of ripping shit up. Such shit will always stick, one of the groups that always goes to those marches recently sacked one of their representatives for talking some shit about 'racial separation'. The block I've been talking about also had representatives of Blood and Honour, you're probably acquainted with the name as I think it's Europe-wide organisation, they also distance themselves from RN but since they're outside of the march and they're not doing any affray, police cannot do shit with them, while I wish they'd just lock them up.
It's a long way from '60k fasicists' or 'a fascist march' as was implied in the leftist media around the Europe/the world (starting from Le Monde, through Independent, to Huffington Post to give an example). The 'We want God' slogan is not parroting Trump either as implied, it's an old, iirc 20th century sacral anthem, the name of it to be exact. The video that's posted in the link you've provided, it's a typical provocation from some feminist or a leftist group, long are the days when they could just throw German Antifa into the march and feck shit up, now all they can do is send a bunch of screaming feminists into the march and tell them to sit in the route of the march, which even for security reasons is an idiotic thing to do. Not really surprised they got told to feck off, would happen at any march if such thing happened really. It's not really a new practice of actually hiring actors and doing such 'performances' either.
Is pretty much a good example of what I'm talking about in the paragraph above. It's one of those 'defenders of the constitution'
demonstrations, fecking plonker lies on the floor, one of the TVs/journals takes a couple of photos and then they create a narrative of him being beaten up by either the police or the members of a counter-manifestation. Just for the record, 'the enemies of the homeland' often refers to communists. We're massively derailing this topic though, just wanted to clear some things up, as you gentlemen were.
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Train Display At World’s Largest Train Show Dubbed Racist
'It just happened to be set up that way.'
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/11/14/racist-model-train-display/
'It just happened to be set up that way.'
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/11/14/racist-model-train-display/
Excuse me for my part in this offtopic discussion, but there are some points that need to get addressed.
First of all why do you imply that I'm not a normal Polish citizen? According to valid polls half of our society considers themselves as backers of the present government, while the other half are against it. I believe that you're in the wrong however it doesn't even cross my mind to brand you as non patriotic, traitor or such.
It's hard to talk about normal democracy when the judiciary system is getting dismantled, letting the politics to get great control over it. We're on a path to authoritarianism. The process isn't finished yet, but when it happens don't think that the new order will always aid and protect you. It will work for those associated with the ruling party, similar to how it worked before 1989 year. Say you have a road collision with a local politic who's clearly at fault. Case will get to court, where judge will rule against you, because he'll try to avoid any potential political problems and get his career prospects thwarted. It's relatable to all more significant matters and it is why the judiciary powers must stay independent (though indeed there's a need for reform). This is what vice-minister of Justice said after walking out of courtroom:
"- Widać, że jest to niestety zemsta pani sędzi za krytykowanie sądów. Złożyłem wniosek o postępowanie dyscyplinarne wobec pani sędzi oraz by jednocześnie zbadać, w jaki sposób sprawę dostała ta akurat sędzia "
Regarding xenophobia there's a spike in hate related crimes and not everything (like racist insults) that happens on the streets gets reported to the police.
Year 2015 - January - August
14 Arab victims
50 Muslim victims
53 dark-skinned victims
Year 2016 - January - August
80 Arab victims
116 Muslim victims
72 dark-skinned victims
Women can't feel exactly happy because our Health Department is giving up on standards of birth-related care.
I think you have mixed up protests of ex-Security Service workers, where there were few hundreds of people, with demonstrations against anti-democratic changes taking place in our country, which brought out tens of thousands of people on the streets (on 2 specific dates: summer 2016 and 2017).
Such mistakes can happen when you rely on obvious propaganda served by government dependent public media.
On Independence Day there weren't 60k fascists walking down the streets of Warsaw. There were families with kids, but this event does work as a rally for hooligans and fascist from all over the country. They are a loud minority, but the percentage of them seems to be growing with every year.
I won't touch the subject of media conspiracy theories. There are correspondents and diplomats that are actually skilled in cold and balanced judgment of events. In domestic journalism you pretty much know everything you need to or have an easy access to necessary sources. In foreign land there's always something missing that could have been calculated in the message so it tends to be more cautious.
I've said it already that there's unprecedented level of public thievery going on since the ruling party did massive personnel clearances wherever they could in administration, agencies and national enterprises. By no means were they related to insufficient expertise of former employees. Stats provided by 'DziennikGazetaPrawna' prove it. After 6 years under former government their journalists were able to count up and create a list of 1000 relatives as well as friends of politics getting jobs in public sector thru connections (second coalition party was well renowned for nepotistic practices). This time with the current ruling party it took them 1 year from elections to create a list consisting of 2000 people.
Money needed to fund this universal social program (22 billion zł) weren't magically created. They were taken from elsewhere and there will be a huge problem in near future for the public finances to sustain this program. Government already tried to increase the taxes and they will do it in one way or another.
Huge corporations remain untouched. There's increase in collected VAT caused mainly by bigger consumption along with actions taken by the Ministry of Finance, however it's also related to reforms made by the former government(2014/2015), which isn't mentioned often enough. Only by the beginning of next year we'll be able to judge how they've done in this particular department when complex data for 2017 will be released. Nonetheless we're going to end this year with one of the biggest ever budget deficits.
Industrial factories getting reopened is a total myth?! Coal sector doing better is strictly correlated with big spike in stock prices since 2015. Reorganization, which I'm not sure if it really can be described as successful, has been started by the former government.
Unemployment levels aren't due to actions of PiS (ruling party). It's a global trend caused by baby boomers from the period following WWII leaving the labor market.
Economy growth fueled by consumption will die out quite soon, especially since there are very alarming signals stemming from small rate of investments, especially in the private section.
Over 10 years have passed since we entered the European Union. It's normal that the inferiority complex has faded out along those years.
Regarding the army those size numbers are so obviously wrong. In 2015 we had 120k soldiers including 20k reserves. There are problems with the overly bureaucratic nature of the service, but it wasn't like you cited. The biggest scandal right now concerns ousted generals (half of them) and colonels (few hundred). It's an unbelievable policy that undermines operational capabilities of the whole armed forces. Some generals and officers were sacked because they did not believe in wicked theories of conspiracy leading to presidential plane crash in Smolensk (they were interrogated with polygraph).
Other big problem right now centers around modernization plans. It's stalled significantly. What happens to air forces is diabolical.
http://www.defence24.pl/601641,prio...nizacji-technicznej-sil-zbrojnych-rp-do-kosza (in Polish)
There are also other plain dumb decisions like moving our best equipped Armored Division to a place near the Belarus border (100km). If you possess minimal tactical sense you'll know that it's a suicidal move (they would get destroyed on the 1st day of potential conflict).
Have you heard of polish made rifle called 'Grot'? It's super shit in current state but those knobheads are forcing the issue of production to lower the costs of modernization (ultra-short-term policy).
I have huge respect for generals of Polish Army and cannot consider them as backers of any political side. The only side they support is the Army itself. Have a read on what's going on under the nutjob minister Macierewicz. Don't mind the source, which you probably don't respect, but just pay attention to his words.
http://www.msn.com/pl-pl/wiadomosci/opinie/generał-zwolniony-przez-macierewicza-o-katastrofalnej-sytuacji-polskiego-lotnictwa/ar-BBEJOB8?li=BBr5MK7&ocid=iehp (in Polish)
First of all why do you imply that I'm not a normal Polish citizen? According to valid polls half of our society considers themselves as backers of the present government, while the other half are against it. I believe that you're in the wrong however it doesn't even cross my mind to brand you as non patriotic, traitor or such.
It's hard to talk about normal democracy when the judiciary system is getting dismantled, letting the politics to get great control over it. We're on a path to authoritarianism. The process isn't finished yet, but when it happens don't think that the new order will always aid and protect you. It will work for those associated with the ruling party, similar to how it worked before 1989 year. Say you have a road collision with a local politic who's clearly at fault. Case will get to court, where judge will rule against you, because he'll try to avoid any potential political problems and get his career prospects thwarted. It's relatable to all more significant matters and it is why the judiciary powers must stay independent (though indeed there's a need for reform). This is what vice-minister of Justice said after walking out of courtroom:
"- Widać, że jest to niestety zemsta pani sędzi za krytykowanie sądów. Złożyłem wniosek o postępowanie dyscyplinarne wobec pani sędzi oraz by jednocześnie zbadać, w jaki sposób sprawę dostała ta akurat sędzia "
Regarding xenophobia there's a spike in hate related crimes and not everything (like racist insults) that happens on the streets gets reported to the police.
Year 2015 - January - August
14 Arab victims
50 Muslim victims
53 dark-skinned victims
Year 2016 - January - August
80 Arab victims
116 Muslim victims
72 dark-skinned victims
Women can't feel exactly happy because our Health Department is giving up on standards of birth-related care.
I think you have mixed up protests of ex-Security Service workers, where there were few hundreds of people, with demonstrations against anti-democratic changes taking place in our country, which brought out tens of thousands of people on the streets (on 2 specific dates: summer 2016 and 2017).
On Independence Day there weren't 60k fascists walking down the streets of Warsaw. There were families with kids, but this event does work as a rally for hooligans and fascist from all over the country. They are a loud minority, but the percentage of them seems to be growing with every year.
I won't touch the subject of media conspiracy theories. There are correspondents and diplomats that are actually skilled in cold and balanced judgment of events. In domestic journalism you pretty much know everything you need to or have an easy access to necessary sources. In foreign land there's always something missing that could have been calculated in the message so it tends to be more cautious.
I've said it already that there's unprecedented level of public thievery going on since the ruling party did massive personnel clearances wherever they could in administration, agencies and national enterprises. By no means were they related to insufficient expertise of former employees. Stats provided by 'DziennikGazetaPrawna' prove it. After 6 years under former government their journalists were able to count up and create a list of 1000 relatives as well as friends of politics getting jobs in public sector thru connections (second coalition party was well renowned for nepotistic practices). This time with the current ruling party it took them 1 year from elections to create a list consisting of 2000 people.
Money needed to fund this universal social program (22 billion zł) weren't magically created. They were taken from elsewhere and there will be a huge problem in near future for the public finances to sustain this program. Government already tried to increase the taxes and they will do it in one way or another.
Huge corporations remain untouched. There's increase in collected VAT caused mainly by bigger consumption along with actions taken by the Ministry of Finance, however it's also related to reforms made by the former government(2014/2015), which isn't mentioned often enough. Only by the beginning of next year we'll be able to judge how they've done in this particular department when complex data for 2017 will be released. Nonetheless we're going to end this year with one of the biggest ever budget deficits.
Industrial factories getting reopened is a total myth?! Coal sector doing better is strictly correlated with big spike in stock prices since 2015. Reorganization, which I'm not sure if it really can be described as successful, has been started by the former government.
Unemployment levels aren't due to actions of PiS (ruling party). It's a global trend caused by baby boomers from the period following WWII leaving the labor market.
Economy growth fueled by consumption will die out quite soon, especially since there are very alarming signals stemming from small rate of investments, especially in the private section.
Over 10 years have passed since we entered the European Union. It's normal that the inferiority complex has faded out along those years.
Regarding the army those size numbers are so obviously wrong. In 2015 we had 120k soldiers including 20k reserves. There are problems with the overly bureaucratic nature of the service, but it wasn't like you cited. The biggest scandal right now concerns ousted generals (half of them) and colonels (few hundred). It's an unbelievable policy that undermines operational capabilities of the whole armed forces. Some generals and officers were sacked because they did not believe in wicked theories of conspiracy leading to presidential plane crash in Smolensk (they were interrogated with polygraph).
Other big problem right now centers around modernization plans. It's stalled significantly. What happens to air forces is diabolical.
http://www.defence24.pl/601641,prio...nizacji-technicznej-sil-zbrojnych-rp-do-kosza (in Polish)
There are also other plain dumb decisions like moving our best equipped Armored Division to a place near the Belarus border (100km). If you possess minimal tactical sense you'll know that it's a suicidal move (they would get destroyed on the 1st day of potential conflict).
Have you heard of polish made rifle called 'Grot'? It's super shit in current state but those knobheads are forcing the issue of production to lower the costs of modernization (ultra-short-term policy).
I have huge respect for generals of Polish Army and cannot consider them as backers of any political side. The only side they support is the Army itself. Have a read on what's going on under the nutjob minister Macierewicz. Don't mind the source, which you probably don't respect, but just pay attention to his words.
http://www.msn.com/pl-pl/wiadomosci/opinie/generał-zwolniony-przez-macierewicza-o-katastrofalnej-sytuacji-polskiego-lotnictwa/ar-BBEJOB8?li=BBr5MK7&ocid=iehp (in Polish)
Train Display At World’s Largest Train Show Dubbed Racist
'It just happened to be set up that way.'
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/11/14/racist-model-train-display/
To be fair I don't think that is PC gone mad. That genuinely looks a little racist.
THe latest family guy episode is a take on PC. Hilarious but so true
Normally I'd claim overreaction, but they must've known how that would look?Train Display At World’s Largest Train Show Dubbed Racist
'It just happened to be set up that way.'
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/11/14/racist-model-train-display/
Just stick one black cop in there, sorted.
It's not racist at all, more in line of Cops Do What They Do Best thread.
I mean, they are just sitting there, telling jokes and Babylon 5 trivia, and cop wants to shoot them.
I mean, they are just sitting there, telling jokes and Babylon 5 trivia, and cop wants to shoot them.
Maybe it was some guy's take on satire. Not sure it's racist, more negging cops tbh.Normally I'd claim overreaction, but they must've known how that would look?
Just stick one black cop in there, sorted.
True, could easily be satire.
Train Display At World’s Largest Train Show Dubbed Racist
'It just happened to be set up that way.'
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/11/14/racist-model-train-display/
It most likely was satire. If there's any political intent at all it's anti-police, not pro killing blacks.
If political correctness was about in the 1970's.......
This classic film would never have seen the light of day.
This classic film would never have seen the light of day.
Or you know since it is model trains no need for cops pointing guns at people at all.Normally I'd claim overreaction, but they must've known how that would look?
Just stick one black cop in there, sorted.
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1874905
PB&J's may or may not be a sign of a lack of cultural sensitivity. Which will come as a shock to people of all races who have been eating them for decades.
Nothing wrong with the idea of being open to the many cultures that are present in a school district. In fact the effort is rightly backed by the school board. But don't you be calling PB&J racist! (Nobody did that). And they best leave grilled cheese alone also!
PB&J's may or may not be a sign of a lack of cultural sensitivity. Which will come as a shock to people of all races who have been eating them for decades.
Nothing wrong with the idea of being open to the many cultures that are present in a school district. In fact the effort is rightly backed by the school board. But don't you be calling PB&J racist! (Nobody did that). And they best leave grilled cheese alone also!
It's true, you'd never get a western featuring a black lead actor, showing a lot of racists and featuring massive use of the n-word these days. Certainly not from a well established director, and it without question wouldn't go on to receive 5 Oscar nominations, winning 2. Nope. Just too many snowflakes around.
You've got to love that video. Mel Brooks says he doesn't think Blazing Saddles could be made today, and this guy goes on a rant about oversensitive SJW snowflakes and how they just don't understand what the movie's trying to tell us. Did I miss something? Has their recently been a massive outcry over Blazing Saddles? Because I'm fairly sure there hasn't. I think everyone understands what Blazing Saddles is trying to say, and I don't think anyone really has a problem with it either. So what the feck is that guys problem? He's tilting at windmills.
And the irony of him calling others oversensitive snowflakes. I've seen a couple of his videos, and he's the living embodiment of an oversensitive snowflake. Anything that's trying to promote women or minorities is an attack on white men in his eyes.
Blazing Saddles could most definitely be made now. But it’d likely be made by, or with black filmmakers, not old school vaudeville Jews.
Old man shouts at cloud. Etc etc.
Harumph!
Is this satire? I honestly can't tell
I find it strange that in an article discussing why a sandwich is racist, people still say African-American as a catch-all term for all black people in the US.
OT but great contribution @Vashu . Very good read.
I doubt such a film would make me laugh as much as Blazing Saddles did. OTT political correctness makes me chuckle though.
There seems to be some kind of hierarchy when it comes to 'snowflakes' & their sensitivities. Top of the tree comes LGBT (Lesbians, gays, blacks, Transexuals). Closely followed by women. Then it's Asians. Behind them are Jews. & bottom of the pile are white males. A case in point would be Harry Enfield's Scousers from 20 odd years ago. I don't recall too many fellow Liverpudlians being offended by the negative stereotyping of men from our city. In fact most of us laughed along with everyone else. Wonder what reaction you'd get from those near the top of the tree nowdays if their race, gender, religion etc was lampooned in such a way ?
Umm, I hope you know that's not the full form of LGBT.
That well known minority collective.Oh no.. poor white males, bottom of the pile when it comes to people not getting outraged about any injustice dolled out to them.
That's tagline worthy.