Has political correctness actually gone mad?

out of yesterday’s two incidents

that politician hasn’t a leg to stand on. You can’t be having a phrase like that in your vocabulary.

But the Stormzy Lukkaku thing is a mountain out of a mole hill. They genuinely do look similar, it was lazy editor more than anything
 
out of yesterday’s two incidents

that politician hasn’t a leg to stand on. You can’t be having a phrase like that in your vocabulary.

But the Stormzy Lukkaku thing is a mountain out of a mole hill. They genuinely do look similar, it was lazy editor more than anything
Not sure he's amused by it tbh.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39917...wspaper-manchester-united-the-herald-twitter/

Not sure how these mistakes happen really- you buy a pic off AMP or whoever. You get feck ups when your photo library is a mess, eg mixing people with the same name up, like below, but it's pretty bad.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/ian-watkins-gets-high-court-2942978
 
It's absolutely harmless to the vast majority of the population and improves the lives of others.

Why the feck would you get upset by something like this?
 
I think i'd prefer a simple Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening, followed by the message. 'Hello everyone' sounds a bit weird.

It does make me think back to the evening of the London Bridge attacks though, in which a Met officer was heard addressing people as 'ladies and gentlemen'. She was merely trying to get some lagaards to move the hell along, no ill intent or anything.
 
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I think i'd prefer a simple Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening, followed by the message. 'Hello everyone' sounds a bit weird.

It does make me think back to the evening of the London Bridge attacks though, in which a Met officer was heard addressing people as 'ladies and gentlemen'. She was merely trying to get some lagaards to move the hell along, no ill intent or anything.

Oh I see, ignoring Night...you got a problem with Night? We need to be more time-neutral.
 
I think i'd prefer a simple Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening, followed by the message. 'Hello everyone' sounds a bit weird.

It does make me think back to the evening of the London Bridge attacks though, in which a Met officer was heard addressing people as 'ladies and gentlemen'. She was merely trying to get some lagaards to move the hell along, no ill intent or anything.

Slightly confused by the logic in your edit. No one is suggest ill intent just that this is a simple change that can (even minorly) improve the lives of a marginalised group.
 
Slightly confused by the logic in your edit. No one is suggest ill intent just that this is a simple change that can (even minorly) improve the lives of a marginalised group.

Once in a while you could just take things at face value you know, instead of looking for some sort of angle.
 
Once in a while you could just take things at face value you know, instead of looking for some sort of angle.

I'm not looking for an angle. I'm literally confused as to why you'd bring up what was or wasn't said during a terrorist attack in a discussion about tube announcements.
 
It's absolutely harmless to the vast majority of the population and improves the lives of others.

Why the feck would you get upset by something like this?

I suppose it's difficult to understand the last bit for a majority of us, well definitely me. That there are groups of people who upon hearing this news and thought "Finally...they are no longer addressing us as Ladies and Gentlemen"
 
I suppose it's difficult to understand the last bit for a majority of us, well definitely me. That there are groups of people who upon hearing this news and thought "Finally...they are no longer addressing us as Ladies and Gentlemen"

I get that, but no one's asking you to 'get it' in this instance, really. Just to accept that those people do exist and to live and let live.
 
I get that, but no one's asking you to 'get it' in this instance, really. Just to accept that those people do exist and to live and let live.
That's an very good concept, but those people haven't just accepted that an announcer says "Ladies and Gentlemen" and they have not " live and let live. "
 
That's an very good concept, but those people haven't just accepted that an announcer says "Ladies and Gentlemen" and they have not " live and let live. "

Well that's not the same thing is it because in this instance they're being excluded.

And at the end of the day it's a minor change that inconveniences nobody.
 
Have people genuinely been annoyed at hearing 'Ladies & Gentleman' though? Is that a thing?

I mean, if so, I'm all in favour of changing it.
 
It's one of those things where my first response to anyone being annoyed about this would be "first world problems" but at the end of the day it's a change that harms absolute noone. So if it makes life even a tiny bit easier for what must be very vulnerable and sensitive souls then I can't see the problem.
 
Honestly the people getting annoyed by the change are worse than the ones getting annoyed by "Ladies and Gentlemen". Unlike some serious cases of political correctness which damage people's lives, no is getting hurt here.
 
It's one of those things where my first response to anyone being annoyed about this would be "first world problems" but at the end of the day it's a change that harms absolute noone. So if it makes life even a tiny bit easier for what must be very vulnerable and sensitive souls then I can't see the problem.
You do tend to feel quite vulnerable when large parts of society have a negative view of the way you live your life and some of them are not shy of telling you this, despite the fact they're just a stranger walking past you in the street.
 
Fun fact - My years spent discussing trans rights with y'all is now on my CV. I'm an LGBTQ+ issues expert, with experience in campaigning on social media...
 
You do tend to feel quite vulnerable when large parts of society have a negative view of the way you live your life and some of them are not shy of telling you this, despite the fact they're just a stranger walking past you in the street.

Absolutely. It's just a stretch to imagine anyone feeling emotionally bruised by hearing "ladies and gentlemen" over a PA. But, like I said, changing the wording harms absolutely nobody. So...
 
Absolutely. It's just a stretch to imagine anyone feeling emotionally bruised by hearing "ladies and gentlemen" over a PA. But, like I said, changing the wording harms absolutely nobody. So...
Should it come moments after being mocked by a stranger, for not conforming to a binary gender standard of appearance, it would feel rather salt in the wound, I'd suggest. 'This person wants me to feel shit and now the bloody train announcement excludes my identity'.

I don't feel it takes much imagination to sympathise, frankly.
 
It would be more fun if they just let London's teenagers do the announcements. "Yo yo yo wagwan fam red line will be delayed for an hour cos some wasteman tried to top himself yano."
 
I just hope "mind the gap" survives the possibility of offending pre-op M2F transexuals.
Not as bad as strangers in the street shouting abuse but jokes like this just further the feeling that many in our society find trans people more worthy of derision than understanding.
 
Not as bad as strangers in the street shouting abuse but jokes like this just further the feeling that many in our society find trans people more worthy of derision than understanding.

Those who are offended, and requested to change the announcement and similar things. What is the end goal? I'm sure now this has changed, they will move onto the next thing and raise their concerns.

The majority of us can sit here and say "The announcements changed, big deal it's not bothering my life" but where does it end? The story about the person wanting to keep his babies gender unknown on a birth certificate. Doctors not able to say what the sex is?
 
1 - people don't like changes being made to the status quo, the usual reaction is to reject it
2 - most of things that are being changed, were put in place at a time which wasn't beneficial to everyone equally.

Therefore you try to change things to include more people, then you'll get an instant reaction
'why does this need to be changed?' usually from the very people who have benefited from society that has included them in every situation, therefore they haven't lived being excluded from things, no matter how minuscule.

Whereas if you're on the receiving end of that change, however small - you'll feel included.

Therefore if the change isn't affecting you, why do you care about it?
 
Those who are offended, and requested to change the announcement and similar things. What is the end goal? I'm sure now this has changed, they will move onto the next thing and raise their concerns.

The majority of us can sit here and say "The announcements changed, big deal it's not bothering my life" but where does it end? The story about the person wanting to keep his babies gender unknown on a birth certificate. Doctors not able to say what the sex is?
Their end goal was to change the announcement.

The trans rights movement has no more in the way of a unified set of goals than most movements.
 
You what? That's clearly the only thing they would all agree on. Of course there is no other aim they would all share.

We both acknowledge there is a gender neutrality movement yes? Their aim is not to just change the London Underground announcement.
 
Absolutely. It's just a stretch to imagine anyone feeling emotionally bruised by hearing "ladies and gentlemen" over a PA. But, like I said, changing the wording harms absolutely nobody. So...
As long as nobody jumps down your throat or starts a Twitter campaign against you if you stand up to address a crowd and without thinking blurt our "ladies and gentlemen."

I guess that's the worry. Not that people might change the words to be inclusive, but that anyone who forgets to do it, or didnt know they were supposed to do it, will be pilloried for it. Not saying that is a big risk, and im sure when the Twitter hordes come after you it wont be for something innocent and trivial, but some people might worry they could say the wrong thing accidentally and then its game over.