Has political correctness actually gone mad?

Kentonio said:
'Boys will be boys' or 'Men will be men' was historically often used to excuse sexual assault and rape. It's up there with 'she was asking for it' in terms of unpleasantness. Entire generations of women right up to the 70s/80s had to deal with frequent unwanted sexual groping and intimidation and the standard response if they tried to complain would be 'men will be men'.
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No.

You're starting by substituting 'boys' for 'men' and then jumping again, this time even further, by suggesting an equal status with 'asking for it'.

Either is too big a jump, alone. Both is very silly.
 
Don't Kill Bill said:
When I was a kid in the 70's it was mostly mothers saying this about their own male children's talent for getting up to mischief, especially fighting with each other.
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Same, but that's because we were kids and wouldn't have heard open discussions about accusations of sexual assault. I'm basing what I said off many accounts of sexual assault from the past and the way society and even police responded.
 
Jippy said:
I think the settings of rural India and an Asda in Tunbridge Wells are somewhat different though tbf.
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It's part of the same mentality though. One that says boys will misbehave just because they're boys, and that's not only ok but funny. It might seem a stretch from misbehaving child to potential rapist, but the idea that some types of bad behaviour are just acceptable or winked at is one that can have long term repercussions. Look at the cases of rape in America with spoiled athlete students, and you'll see exactly that 'boys will be boys' attitude shown by college authorities and local communities as they try and cover it up.
 
Im not sure if this a right thread but er wtf?? :wenger::lol::lol:

 
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What's tragironic is that she explicitly advocates for a broad working-class movement, not a race-first one. She wrote this:

If we told them together, it could allow us to see that the anxieties, stresses, confusions, and frustrations about life world today are not owned by one group, but are shared by many. It would not tell us that everyone suffers the same oppression, but it would allow us to see that even if we don’t experience a particular kind of oppression, every working person in this country is going through something. Everyone is trying to figure out how to survive, and many are failing.

If we put these stories together, we would gain more insight into how ordinary white people have as much stake in the fight for a different kind of society as anyone else.

We wouldn’t so casually dismiss their suffering as privilege, because they do not suffer as much as black and brown people in this country. In fact, we might find that the privileges of white skin run very thin in a country where nineteen million white people languish in poverty.

Apparently, the wages of whiteness are not so great that they can stop millions of ordinary white people from literally drinking and drugging themselves to death, to escape the despair of living in this “greatest country on earth.”
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Jippy said:
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I prefer calling it smugsplaining, because it doesn't imply that the smug arse talking down to you is sexist (not that I mind smug idiots getting their comeuppance, but accusing someone of being sexist is pretty serious and should be reserved for cases of actual sexism).
 
Halftrack said:
I prefer calling it smugsplaining, because it doesn't imply that the smug arse talking down to you is sexist (not that I mind smug idiots getting their comeuppance, but accusing someone of being sexist is pretty serious and should be reserved for cases of actual sexism).
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Could you not just call them smug?
Do we really need to make up a word for it? Especially one that ugly and rubbish?
 
berbatrick said:
FRESNO STATE CANCELS A MIDDLE EAST STUDIES PROFESSORSHIP AMID ALLEGED RIGHT-WING PRO-ISRAEL PRESSURE
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Another angle:
http://www.jta.org/2017/06/07/news-...-california-university-to-cancel-faculty-hire

But even if it won't be possible to know how this really went, there are things about the Intercept article that can be criticized anyway:

For instance, they use Steven Salaita's non-appointment at the University of Illinois as an example of censorship in this article and several others. Consequently while refraining from directly referring to the content of the tweets that brought him down (also leaving out the worst), using the generic euphemisms 'critical of Israel' and 'pro-Gaza tweets' instead. Turning his hatemongering into a victim story like this gives me serious doubts about the credibility of their reporting on similar issues. It also pays to take a look at the comment sections of these articles, because reporting of that kind simply attracts a certain crowd.

The second point is that there's an irony to be found when a professor who supports BDS decries supposed supression of academic freedom. Same goes for the author and the way he uses the case of Dartmouth professor Bruce Duthu, who refrained from assuming a new post over controversy caused by his support of the BDS campaign.
 
Yes it has.

I used to manage a sales team of around 18 agents for sky and one man called Kiwi was a Ugandan national living in Glasgow.
I was quite ill and went to the docs first thing and called my boss who informed my team i would be late.
So anyway, as soon as i walked through the door, Kiwi said, "Oh James, you look white as a ghost so i believe you must be ill."
Now Kiwi was a lovely gent and didn't mean anything by it.
But if it was him just returning from a holiday back home and i said, "oh Kiwi, you look as black as my boot so i believe you were on holiday." - I'm pretty sure everyone including management would have branded me a racist for that and i would likely have lost my job too.
 
Ian Reus said:
Yes it has.

I used to manage a sales team of around 18 agents for sky and one man called Kiwi was a Ugandan national living in Glasgow.
I was quite ill and went to the docs first thing and called my boss who informed my team i would be late.
So anyway, as soon as i walked through the door, Kiwi said, "Oh James, you look white as a ghost so i believe you must be ill."
Now Kiwi was a lovely gent and didn't mean anything by it.
But if it was him just returning from a holiday back home and i said, "oh Kiwi, you look as black as my boot so i believe you were on holiday." - I'm pretty sure everyone including management would have branded me a racist for that and i would likely have lost my job too.
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Compelling evidence painted there in your hypothetical scenario.
 
If someone's skin colour is rapidly changing, I don't see anything wrong with pointing it out. I somewhat doubt that a black person on vacation is changing his appearance as much as a sick caucasian is.
 
Ian Reus said:
Yes it has.

I used to manage a sales team of around 18 agents for sky and one man called Kiwi was a Ugandan national living in Glasgow.
I was quite ill and went to the docs first thing and called my boss who informed my team i would be late.
So anyway, as soon as i walked through the door, Kiwi said, "Oh James, you look white as a ghost so i believe you must be ill."
Now Kiwi was a lovely gent and didn't mean anything by it.
But if it was him just returning from a holiday back home and i said, "oh Kiwi, you look as black as my boot so i believe you were on holiday." - I'm pretty sure everyone including management would have branded me a racist for that and i would likely have lost my job too.
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Poor white people. Your life must be so tough, having to endure jokes.

When a large part of the population (black people, women, LGBT) were treated as animals just decades ago, and still are in many parts of the world, that obviously affects the sensitivity of those groups. You can't just ignore that.
 
Nedved said:
Poor white people. Your life must be so tough, having to endure jokes.

When a large part of the population (black people, women, LGBT) were treated as animals just decades ago, and still are in many parts of the world, that obviously affects the sensitivity of those groups. You can't just ignore that.
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You haven't actually read what i said. Nowhere did i say i took offence at all. In fact, i go out of my way to say he meant nothing by it. It just shows how easy it is to misunderstand something so cheers.
 
Ian Reus said:
Yes it has.

I used to manage a sales team of around 18 agents for sky and one man called Kiwi was a Ugandan national living in Glasgow.
I was quite ill and went to the docs first thing and called my boss who informed my team i would be late.
So anyway, as soon as i walked through the door, Kiwi said, "Oh James, you look white as a ghost so i believe you must be ill."
Now Kiwi was a lovely gent and didn't mean anything by it.
But if it was him just returning from a holiday back home and i said, "oh Kiwi, you look as black as my boot so i believe you were on holiday." - I'm pretty sure everyone including management would have branded me a racist for that and i would likely have lost my job too.
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My god.
 
That's like a Poundland version of "You can't say anything these days."
 
Ian Reus said:
Yes it has.

I used to manage a sales team of around 18 agents for sky and one man called Kiwi was a Ugandan national living in Glasgow.
I was quite ill and went to the docs first thing and called my boss who informed my team i would be late.
So anyway, as soon as i walked through the door, Kiwi said, "Oh James, you look white as a ghost so i believe you must be ill."
Now Kiwi was a lovely gent and didn't mean anything by it.
But if it was him just returning from a holiday back home and i said, "oh Kiwi, you look as black as my boot so i believe you were on holiday." - I'm pretty sure everyone including management would have branded me a racist for that and i would likely have lost my job too.
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I don't see what's wrong with that comment Ian. Asking about someone's tan after vacation is common. So he happens to be black and as the sun tan happens to make people's skin darker it is of course impossible for someone that already is black (thus the joke). What's the issue? Yes he is black. But unless you declare anything racist that links from someone's skin colour - which would make the initial remark equally racist - then there is nothing to be seen in just that statement. If you have history of making racists comments (meaning link skin colour to something derogative*) it's something completely different of course as people must assume that you are once again trying to point out that he is black and something is wrong with that. Can you point out to me what I'm missing here?

Or are you saying that there is no racism but the fact that you still would get fired shows double standards? I agree with that.

*like when he in fact wasn't on holiday at all, therefore suggesting he is lazy.
 
Javi said:
I don't see what's wrong with that comment Ian. Asking about someone's tan after vacation is common. So he happens to be black and as the sun tan happens to make people's skin darker it is of course impossible for someone that already is black (thus the joke). What's the issue? Yes he is black. But unless you declare anything racist that links from someone's skin colour - which would make the initial remark equally racist - then there is nothing to be seen in just that statement. If you have history of making racists comments (meaning link skin colour to something derogative*) it's something completely different of course as people must assume that you are once again trying to point out that he is black and something is wrong with that. Can you point out to me what I'm missing here?

Or are you saying that there is no racism but the fact that you still would get fired shows double standards? I agree with that.

*like when he in fact wasn't on holiday at all, therefore suggesting he is lazy.
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There was no racism at all but a few others thought what he said was racist. I knew him so obviously knew what he meant. But the fact that other people thought it might be is the reason I posted this at all.
 
Alexa providing some thread material this morning:


Teen's Trump T-shirt censored in yearbook photo

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mp-t-shirt-censored-yearbook-photo/387244001/



If it were a simple dress-code violation, we'd probably have heard by now.

Taking it as read, the act in this case should run contrary to any liberal message. And so far as the individual is concerned, such censorship is only likely to engender further resentment.
 
I really feel that this is nonsense:

Cambridge University examiners told it is sexist to use the word 'genius' to describe students:

'Cambridge University examiners have been warned against using words such as “flair”, “brilliance” and “genius” when assessing students’ work because they are associated with men, an academic has revealed.'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/e...m-row-genius-lecturers-students-a7787401.html
 
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SteveJ said:
I really feel that this is nonsense:

Cambridge University examiners told it is sexist to use the word 'genius' to describe students:

'Cambridge University examiners have been warned against using words such as “flair”, “brilliance” and “genius” when assessing students’ work because they are associated with men, an academic has revealed.'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/e...m-row-genius-lecturers-students-a7787401.html
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You are correct. This is in fact nonsense
 
In an op-ed for The Wall Street Journal, Mr. Weinstein wrote that students attacked him verbally “seemingly out of the blue” after he objected to an event in which “white people were asked to leave campus” for a day. He said that the college had “slipped into madness.”

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As a student here, I know that the truth is more complicated. The protests were part of a planned week of action over several incidents that had sparked a schoolwide discussion on race. A series of emails that Mr. Weinstein sent to an all-faculty list were a small part of this. In one email, he objected to the design of an equity council that would guide faculty hiring to improve racial equity. In another, he voiced his opposition to a new structure for the Day of Absence, an Evergreen tradition since the 1970s.

The tradition was inspired by a Douglas Turner Ward play in which all the black residents of a town disappear so that the populace is forced to recognize their vital contributions. In previous years, students and faculty of color would leave Evergreen for a day and hold off-site workshops while white students stayed on campus.

This year, the organizers decided to hold workshops for white people off-campus instead — a reversal of the original concept.
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But the media saw in Mr. Weinstein a self-proclaimed progressive who appeared to be vilified simply for voicing a dissenting opinion. Evergreen students were accused of violence and of trying to enforce a divisive political correctness.

The fallout from that coverage hit our campus like a hailstorm. It may not have been his intention, but Mr. Weinstein’s many interviews effectively became a call to arms for internet trolls and the alt-right. Online vigilantes from 4chan, Reddit and other forums swarmed to unearth Evergreen students’ contact information. They have harassed us with hundreds of phone calls, anonymous texts and terrifyingly specific threats of violence that show they know where we live and work.

After I published an essay on Medium to explain the protesters’ side of the story, my full name, phone number and home address were posted online, and I was bombarded with hate-filled messages. I found my name and personal information on message boards, along with rape threats and discussions about which racial slur fit me best (the consensus was the N-word). It took three days to get my personal information taken down, and for others it took longer.

In the past few weeks, the school has been shut down four times because of threats, including one from an anonymous caller who said, “I’m on my way to Evergreen University now with a .44 Magnum. I am gonna execute as many people on that campus as I can get a hold of.”

Downtown Olympia has seen a sudden influx of visitors wearing Nazi and white supremacist regalia. Campus buildings have been scrawled with graffiti that says, “Diversity Equals White Genocide” and “No Safe Space For Commies.” Swastikas and racial slurs have been chalked and painted on Evergreen property.

Yesterday, the campus was mostly shut down after 3 p.m. because Patriot Prayer, a right-leaning protest group that espouses a love for guns and President Trump and a hatred for so-called snowflakes, descended on the campus for a “free speech” rally. Patriot Prayer was recently in the news for marching in Portland, Ore., after the killing of two people by a white supremacist who was aligned with the group, even though the mayor of Portland pleaded with them to postpone their event.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/opinion/media-alt-right-evergreen-college.html?_r=0
 
The right will deliver us from political correctness and Cultural Snowflakes

 
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