Not to mention he was right.
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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Yeah, he appears to be unpleasant and not funny, whoever he is, but that's a matter of taste or lack of it, so I agree.
There is nothing wrong with what he did. Laughing about offensive jokes (or making them) does not mean that you are actually agreeing with the underlying bigotry. Worst-case scenario is, that you have a shitty sense of humour (if something like that even exist) and a lack of social awareness to understand that there are circumstances, where some things are inappropriate.
Making a joke about Jews being gassed while visiting Auschwitz means that you are a socially unaware idiot; not a Nazi. Yet there might be nothing wrong with laughing about the same joke, when you are at a bar with friends.
Yet the PC brigade ignores all of that and argues, that saying something in jest means that you agree with it. Even a joke can be oppressive (or violence). Additionally what someone says is not judged by its content/context but primarily who you are. If you are high up in their spectrum of victimhood, you can get away with many things – even physical violence - otherwise you better shut up.
Making a joke about Jews being gassed while visiting Auschwitz means that you are a socially unaware idiot; not a Nazi. Yet there might be nothing wrong with laughing about the same joke, when you are at a bar with friends.
Yet the PC brigade ignores all of that and argues, that saying something in jest means that you agree with it. Even a joke can be oppressive (or violence). Additionally what someone says is not judged by its content/context but primarily who you are. If you are high up in their spectrum of victimhood, you can get away with many things – even physical violence - otherwise you better shut up.
Well the interesting aspect here is that apart from a small section that always will be in up and arms, the PC brigade isn't out in full force but rather the Deplorable Snowflakes who will support the Pig-in-Chief over far worse.
'Hodgson sports Mondrian haircut as he takes Saudi job'
Colbert has been targeted in his earlier show too - he made a joke about Asians in America, parodying something the Redskins (baseball? American football?) team did when their name became controversial. It was clear satire, and yet there were calls for him to step down.
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/1zkr18/the-colbert-report-who-s-attacking-me-now-----cancelcolbert
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/1zkr18/the-colbert-report-who-s-attacking-me-now-----cancelcolbert
I was at a work meeting last week where a lot of new people including the clients were getting together and heard the following exchange between 2 white guys that work together:
Guy #1: "who do I talk to about the sign in sheet?"
Guy #2: "check with Chelsea".
Guy #1: "whose Chelsea?"
Guy #2; (pointing at two ladies across the room - one was African American, the other was white) "the lady furthest away ".
Guy #2 got the point across, but I wondered why he just didn't say the white lady? Would that be out of order?
Guy #1: "who do I talk to about the sign in sheet?"
Guy #2: "check with Chelsea".
Guy #1: "whose Chelsea?"
Guy #2; (pointing at two ladies across the room - one was African American, the other was white) "the lady furthest away ".
Guy #2 got the point across, but I wondered why he just didn't say the white lady? Would that be out of order?
Yeah i remember that. Colbert talked about the Washington Redskins in his show, and made fun of how ridiculous their claim was that "their name honored native americans". After the show, the shows twitter account posted this:
You know...satire
The woman who started the hashtag on twitter (Suey Park) got a lot of shit hurled back at her, but she just doubled down and did the usual: "if you don't agree with me you are a bigot". The thing is, people found out she was trying to make it as a professional activist or speaker, and she also had a crowdfunding page which she pushed during all this. As you could imagine, this did not go down well with a lot of people and she got even more shit from the public.
With this story as the previous one, i don't think people are really offended by it, it's either over the top virtue signaling or someone with vested interests.
At Uni, the missus had a gay roommate (before we moved in together) and we did some partying with him and his friends. Three things i learned then: 1) Gay people really know how to party 2) They aren't delicate little flowers 3) They give each other shit all the time and make more "gay jokes" than anyone else.
One of them also told me something really interesting: "Gay jokes" or name calling and that kind hurt like hell for someone who was secretly gay or had not yet come out, where as someone who was openly gay and secure in his sexuality would shrug it off as nothing.
http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/if-this-is-feminism-its-been-hijacked-by-the-thought-police/
tl, dr summary:
A staunchly feminist assistant professor defended „transracialism“(think of Rachel Dolezal) in an „academic“
paper, which got published in a feminist journal. She argued is that if we accept self-proclaimed gender roles, we should also accept, that people can choose a different racial identity.
Shit hit the fan and professional social justice warriors lost their shit. She got not just slaughtered on social media, but also her colleagues distanced themselves. To some extent, because they were scared of the public reaction, if they’d support her. To some extend because they are deluded lunatics. People accused her of enacting violence and perpetuating harm. Obviously she is a nasty transphobe. Trans-genocide incoming and all that.
An open letter with hundreds of signatures including those of professors emerged that essentially said “retract and apologize or else….”
The journal editors apologised, she didn’t. They threatened to ruin her career.
Talk about drama. Just defund all of these departments, please. They can do whatever they want with their lives, but don’t waste the money of tax payers on those freeloaders. Citoyens, il est à craindre que la révolution ne dévore successivement tous ses enfantes et n‘engendre enfin le despotisme avec les calamités qui l’accompagnent.
tl, dr summary:
A staunchly feminist assistant professor defended „transracialism“(think of Rachel Dolezal) in an „academic“
paper, which got published in a feminist journal. She argued is that if we accept self-proclaimed gender roles, we should also accept, that people can choose a different racial identity.Shit hit the fan and professional social justice warriors lost their shit. She got not just slaughtered on social media, but also her colleagues distanced themselves. To some extent, because they were scared of the public reaction, if they’d support her. To some extend because they are deluded lunatics. People accused her of enacting violence and perpetuating harm. Obviously she is a nasty transphobe. Trans-genocide incoming and all that.
An open letter with hundreds of signatures including those of professors emerged that essentially said “retract and apologize or else….”
The journal editors apologised, she didn’t. They threatened to ruin her career.
Talk about drama. Just defund all of these departments, please. They can do whatever they want with their lives, but don’t waste the money of tax payers on those freeloaders. Citoyens, il est à craindre que la révolution ne dévore successivement tous ses enfantes et n‘engendre enfin le despotisme avec les calamités qui l’accompagnent.
Has anyone seen that Chris Pratt, guy from Guardians of the Galaxy, apologising to people hard of hearing because he posted a music video on Instagram with the caption telling people to turn up the volume and listen.
He's apologised for his "incredibly insensitive" comments, I can't for the life of me imagine someone who is offended at this?
He's apologised for his "incredibly insensitive" comments, I can't for the life of me imagine someone who is offended at this?
That kind of ironic hypocrisy is far from exclusive to feminism, as I'm sure you know (but have glossed over, naturally). Instead, it's endemic in academia as a whole.
What the feck are hard of hearing people doing watching a music video in the first place.
I don't think you realize how far some of these people are willing to go for a chance to virtue signal out the ass and berate someone for their language. His comment is "offensive" to deaf people, because they can't listen. Of course if you go by that logic, pretty much all of society is offensive to a disabled person in some form or the other
I am no expert on the field, but i think being transsexual (or basically anything other than cis) somehow has become trendy in certain circles. Also, and this is just speculation, but i feel like a lot of people have jumped on to the "gender bandwagon" because it boosts their special snowflake status and is a free ride up the progressive stack. Obviously i am not talking about those who actually suffer from gender dysphoria, but the ones who does it because it's "cool" and they get to play the victim card more often.A staunchly feminist assistant professor defended „transracialism“(think of Rachel Dolezal) in an „academic“
You also had the "kin people" who believe, or pretended to believe (i don't know really) that they are [insert]-kin which can be anything from animals to fictional characters and inanimate objects. I suspect a lot of these people suffer from some mental issue, but again, lately some are just pretending because it gives them yet another label to wear on their collar.
Then some smart ass found out: "Hey, i like x culture, that must mean i am trans-x". Free snowflake points AND you get to berate people for racially abusing you.
Please apologise to blind people who cannot "watch a music video". Incredibly insensitive.
It's a good listen, unsurprisingly. If anyone's a fan.
There are ism's being formed against ism's now. People ism-ing against transracialism.
I saw a woman on twitter tweeting about womanism, a new movement that exists because they want to separate themselves from feminism and it's association with white women.
So many splinter groups of ism's.
Someone burn it down please. Burn it all down.
I saw a woman on twitter tweeting about womanism, a new movement that exists because they want to separate themselves from feminism and it's association with white women.
So many splinter groups of ism's.
Someone burn it down please. Burn it all down.
Lost some respect for Mr. Pratt actually doing the apology, I'm sure his PR team were all over it but giving them an apology just vindicates the whole thing.Feck sake thats incredible
I did a bit as well but its probably just easier to say sorry, theres obviously no reasoning with them
I doubt its a conversation anyway really wants to engage in
There are hard facts about stuff like gender (sexual organs), but I am very sympathetic to the idea that these things shouldn’t determine your identity in any meaningful way. So I like the idea that people can “chose their own unique identity” and I am happily willing to accept anyone’s self-identification regardless of physical features.
The problem is, that this form of acceptance isn’t enough anymore for a small but vocal minority of advocates. These advocates push for special legal and cultural rights that are unreasonable. These advocates have a vested self-interest in this process, because they can make a living off it or get social recognition for their effort. We see a race to embrace more extreme and crazy narratives because that’s the way to differentiate themselves. You are not getting heard, if your claims are not extreme. That’s why anything under the threshold of micro aggressions, cultural appropriation, deadnaming & et al is already called oppressive, violent, racist, trans-phobic and sexist.
The same people push the narrative that you shouldn’t judge people as individuals, but on their status in their invented spectrum of oppression. Additionally ideas are not judged on their merits anymore, but by the status of the author and how an idea fits into their narrative of oppression.
The problem is that these advocates can bully a wider spectrum of normal people to embrace their nonsense with the threat of calling them sexist/racists&co. People are too scared to be seen as intolerant, especially in progressive/centrist circles (usually that’s a good thing) and consequently play along. Playing along is also often morally rewarding.
Claiming to be offended or calling me names are not valid arguments. Reasonable people have to put their foot down and tell them to feck off.
It has feck all to do with making money or looking for social recognition. When you see a group of people with an extremely high rate of suicide attempts*, it's only decent to want something to change that. And generally, it's not giving them a special status/place that helps. It's treating them like normal people and stopping abusive behaviour against them.
*https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
*https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
Honestly, there is a huge difference between someone suffering from real gender dysphoria and someone who claims to be so just for the sake of attention (which are the ones we were discussing)
People like Rachel Dolezal and Shaun King who claim to be "trans black" are doing more harm than good for marginalized groups and i think the same logic can be applied to real transsexuals (who as you pointed out, has an astounding high rate of attempted suicide) and shills who want to get in on that because they can feel special
Well, similarly, racism is a very real issue but people who play the race card in inappropriate scenarios (and that definitely happens) do themselves and the cause no favours.
Interesting case going through the courts at the moment.
Have to say my first thought is that he's been harshly/unfairly treated.
Have to say my first thought is that he's been harshly/unfairly treated.
I think its reasonable tbh.
It doesn't particularly matter where the belief comes from, i'd say it make him unfit to treat various patients
I like Jordan Peterson, he seems a bit too intense though. Don't think I could sit with him and have a conversation.
Don't listen to his podcast with Sam Harris then. It's almost impenetrable.
Certainly. He's an impressive mind though. In an informal, unstructured conversation like that you can pick the one-trick pony from the real deal.
Me too. If he was going into mathematics or chemistry then his views don't matter. If he wants to go into social work, then those views will most likely result in people being unfairly treated.
Tube driver wins £3,000 for working with a colleague who had swastika and German Iron Eagle tattoos on his leg
- Dion De Leon discovered Bryan Siequien had a swastika leg tattoo
- He alleged it caused him 'genuine and material distress' and hurt his feelings
- An employment tribunal said Mr Siequien’s tattoos did not mean extreme views
Those piercings are pretty grim tbf. The thing is he an old bloke, not some guy in his 20s with ropey piercings.
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I support transgender people and their rights. It is indeed true that suicide rates among trans-community is high and they probably do need some extra support to transition. But I am not really sure about non-binary gender folks. I am not going to deny that some people want to identify themselves as such since they legitimately feel so but you can't deny or wish away the existence of biological gender type as well. Is it even denied anymore that everyone falls somewhere in between the spectrum of masculinity and femininity? If you are truly non-binary and oscillate between feeling a male or a female, does it really matter that people use a pronoun in tune with your biological gender?
http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/if-this-is-feminism-its-been-hijacked-by-the-thought-police/
tl, dr summary:
A staunchly feminist assistant professor defended „transracialism“(think of Rachel Dolezal) in an „academic“
Shit hit the fan and professional social justice warriors lost their shit. She got not just slaughtered on social media, but also her colleagues distanced themselves. To some extent, because they were scared of the public reaction, if they’d support her. To some extend because they are deluded lunatics. People accused her of enacting violence and perpetuating harm. Obviously she is a nasty transphobe. Trans-genocide incoming and all that.
An open letter with hundreds of signatures including those of professors emerged that essentially said “retract and apologize or else….”
The journal editors apologised, she didn’t. They threatened to ruin her career.
Talk about drama. Just defund all of these departments, please. They can do whatever they want with their lives, but don’t waste the money of tax payers on those freeloaders. Citoyens, il est à craindre que la révolution ne dévore successivement tous ses enfantes et n‘engendre enfin le despotisme avec les calamités qui l’accompagnent.
Read more about this here - http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/05/transracialism-article-controversy.html
It even has its own wiki entry now - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia_transracialism_controversy
Hopefully episodes like this will teach left liberals the value of free speech and the danger of outrage.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39921804 - McDonalds apologies for "offensive" TV advert
Is this really worthy of an apology? May be I'm not being as empathetic as I should be.
Quotes like "trying to insinuate that a brand can cure all ills with one meal is insensitive"... if anyone has watched the advert and thinks it's trying to say a bloody big mac can make you forget about your dead dad you're a nutter.
Is this really worthy of an apology? May be I'm not being as empathetic as I should be.
Quotes like "trying to insinuate that a brand can cure all ills with one meal is insensitive"... if anyone has watched the advert and thinks it's trying to say a bloody big mac can make you forget about your dead dad you're a nutter.
Why would it make him unfit? He's quoting from the bible, his beliefs don't mean they will affect his professional ethics.