Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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You're not willing to follow holylandred in pushing the taboos!
She looks like a Bo Selecta character.
Who is this holylandred and when did he get his hands on the biggest boobs in Europe!
I don't follow
I'm sure it was him who nailed a pre-op.
Ok. I've lived in two of those countries and been to all of them plenty of times.
It's not a racism thing if that's what's getting you worked up. A tan = being a peasant working a menial outdoor job.
As I said, it's the ridiculous exaggeration you made. Hence why you're the only one I'm arguing with.
Ok. I've lived in two of those countries and been to all of them plenty of times.
It's not a racism thing if that's what's getting you worked up. A tan = being a peasant working a menial outdoor job.
Everyone here who has you know, actually been to any of those places, is telling you it's true.
They're telling me there is a significant amount of it. Which I'm quite aware of. They're not repeating the nonsense words you said that I'm moaning about.
EDIT - I'm boring myself, and I'm sure others, here. It annoyed me. I'll go shout at a seagull or something more productive than repeating myself here.
The latter applied in Europe at any rate. In Elizabethan times the very wealthy painted their skin white to show they didn't have to work outdoors, racism wouldn't have come into it.
Then, in the UK, we switched to wanting a tan to show we could afford holidays abroad.
Same in Asia. A lot of people grow horrible long fingernails too for a similar reason, to show you don't work a manual job. Racism doesn't come into it.
I wish a company was able to come and out say "feck you, you shower of bastards stop being dickheads".
This fat acceptance thing is going way too far. I don't agree with actually shaming people but there's nothing wrong with pointing out it's unhealthy, which it is.
Beth Ditto being hailed as a positive role model because she was proud of her body was a watershed moment. You're morbidly obese and putting huge stress on your internal organs but yeah, own that shit.
I for one will never forget Beth Ditto.
Whoever she is or was.
Whoever she is or was.
Sometimes I wish Google was never invented! Ewww. Goes without saying healthy isn't just about weight though, you see these fat pills and 'juice diets' and that's really not good for you yet those should be shamed more in public, they're harmful to people because they're only quick fixes and will not last because pills or juices are not a long term diet plan, so once they're off them they go straight back to their normal diet! There needs to be a widespread plan to show people what calories mean and how to achieve a balanced diet so you don't get fat/too skinny and or lose weight too rapidly.
Why are they pretending that obesity is not dangerous to health?
It hurts their feelings
ffs Thought that I was brainwashed by the media or something.
Thought that I was brainwashed by the media or something.To be fair I don't think it's helpful to personally attack people and shame them for being fat, rarely does it seem to actually motivate anyone.
But this lush post wasn't really targeted at people, it was generic actual information which has been proven over and over again.
I have a crew on my Facebook that operate in some sort of echo chamber encouraging each other, saying BMI doesn't matter and saying their doctors say it's ok. Sure BMI doesn't matter but when you're 5' and 100kg it sure as shit does and I'm sure your doctor isn't just ignoring it when you see them.
But this lush post wasn't really targeted at people, it was generic actual information which has been proven over and over again.
I have a crew on my Facebook that operate in some sort of echo chamber encouraging each other, saying BMI doesn't matter and saying their doctors say it's ok. Sure BMI doesn't matter but when you're 5' and 100kg it sure as shit does and I'm sure your doctor isn't just ignoring it when you see them.
I kind of agree with the whole 'PC gone mad' ridiculousness where you can't say anything for fear of offending people.
But at the same time I do get the irony of the fact that those who most routinely express that view seem themselves to be one of the most perpetually offended group of society. I've experienced more people offended at apparent political correctness than I have come across people offended by the lack of it. People also seem to like political correctness if they benefit from it.
Rarely have I ever met someone who proudly boasts to "call a spade a spade" who seemed like they'd react kindly if someone greeted them by saying "Oi, cnut with the big nose...". But they're fine for others to be objected to such bluntness. 'PC gone mad' has really come to mean 'I'm offended by so many people being offended', without really acknowledging the ridiculousness of that position.
I think some of the arguments made are valid but I'm not sure the whole 'angry white man, offended by everything' lobby that's really taken the mantle on this, helps.
But at the same time I do get the irony of the fact that those who most routinely express that view seem themselves to be one of the most perpetually offended group of society. I've experienced more people offended at apparent political correctness than I have come across people offended by the lack of it. People also seem to like political correctness if they benefit from it.
Rarely have I ever met someone who proudly boasts to "call a spade a spade" who seemed like they'd react kindly if someone greeted them by saying "Oi, cnut with the big nose...". But they're fine for others to be objected to such bluntness. 'PC gone mad' has really come to mean 'I'm offended by so many people being offended', without really acknowledging the ridiculousness of that position.
I think some of the arguments made are valid but I'm not sure the whole 'angry white man, offended by everything' lobby that's really taken the mantle on this, helps.
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Because they're fat.
Uh, why wouldn't the company apologise? They still need fatties to buy whatever they're selling. Especially a company which sell products to make people look less ugly.
If anything this is great for them. A company that probably none of us had heard before getting some free publicity. Such a shame for them.
I'm boycotting Lush for apologising.
I've never shopped in Lush anyway so it will be pretty easy.
How have you never heard of them? I swear there is one in every town in the country and it smells like someone has blown up a perfumery if you have the misfortune of stepping within 100ft of one.
I've never shopped in Lush anyway so it will be pretty easy.
How have you never heard of them? I swear there is one in every town in the country and it smells like someone has blown up a perfumery if you have the misfortune of stepping within 100ft of one.
I just got some moisturiser from lush which honestly is epic.
Not until today. Dunno, I just haven't.
But honestly, who gives a shit? All that happened is they posted an ad that offended their fat costumers. Boo fecking hoo. Why should we pretend they care about public health when it's pretty obvious that everything they post on that page is basically an attempt to sell whatever they have? If they apologise it's not because someone saw the error of their way, it's because they realised some fatty might not buy their stuff anymore. Both the original ad and the subsequent apology are just meaningless, bullshit marketing ploys.
I don't care about Lush, but I do think it is worrying whenever you see people able to shut down some fairly basic scientifically proven facts because it hurts their feelings that they're shortening their lives through bad decisions they have made.
I don't think they were disagreeing with the basic premise of get fat, die young (maybe one or two were, idk, they seem dumb). They just don't want their lipstick company to tell them that.
But still, I'd be more inclined to care if it wasn't a corporate ad.
If two thirds of all adults are fatties then it might not be the best marketing strategy.
Just read that Beth Ditto has a clothing range in Selfridges for size 18-32 only.
True, but it's also better for the 2/3s to know the risk they are taking with their health. Comforting lies are for children, as an adult you should try to be as informed as possible and take responsibility for your decisions.
I hate Lush shops. They always reek when you walk past them. And now it turns out they're spineless too.
I worked for Lush 20 years ago during summer hols. They abhor fat shaming but are OK with zero hour contracts.
You are misunderstanding the issue. When someone says something insulting, it is to some extend normal to be insulted. Nobody expects that obese persons react indifferent when you call them fat-fecks. The PC brigade is going wrong when they are outraged about stuff that is clearly not intended to offend anyone. It makes no sense to get offended by a fairly neutral add, that states scientific facts. Yet even if you get offended, it makes no sense to blame the messenger. Your own sensibility is at fault. Attributing nefarious intentions/attitudes to others because you are butthurt is childish.
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Every overweight person I know knows that it's unhealthy, will probably shorten his or her life, and is generally looked down upon. As good as every one of them unsuccessfully tried or still tries to lose weight, which leaves some sort of desperation and low self esteem.
There's certainly no lack of information about what society thinks is acceptable in terms of health and body shape, quite the opposite. The message is hammered home every day in a myriad of ways. Those who actively try to ignore it are as aware of it as everyone else.
Oh yes.
It's not really about being offended. It's about certain groups parroting views that are nuts and sometimes even bigoted or dangerous themselves. Take the "fat acceptance movement" for example. Now people being bullied for being fat in school obviously happens, and it's not right and surely a traumatic experience for them, and i am sure loads of people have been discriminated against for being fat/obese in some form or another.
But if you can't fit into an passenger seat on public transport that's not society oppressing you, that's a sign you need to lose weight. Same with the people claiming oppression because people don't find them attractive. Not finding an obese person attractive is not "fatphobia", that's just how attraction works. Also, when the "fat movement" start saying that all conventional science about obesity and health is just hogwash, then they are crossing a dangerous line, especially considering the enormous problem a lot of nations are facing concerning obesity related disease.
Then you have things like the progressive stack, who shove people (taking no regard to their inner qualities) into neat little boxes and then "value" them based on some arbitrary and very generalizing categories, which in itself is incredibly bigoted.
And why should anyone be criticised for stating an accepted fact then?
I say that as someone who is overweight and trying to shift it.