Dang, saw the thread had sprouted 3 more pages and thought something actually interesting might have happened.
Disappointed.
Disappointed.
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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But remember guys, SJWs doing Jazz Hands and non-platforming Milo are the real problems. Also there are too many women and gay Asians in Doctor Who. It’s just good honest common sense, yeah? Stop being such pussies.
Agree with @Mockney's energy in this thread.
The Right are 'taking their countries back'.
This is actually scary to read. Sounds like a proper dystopian future type of movie scene. Unreal that it’s happening in real life.
It feels like humanity has gone back about a century in the last 3 years or so.
Yet another inch closer to utopia. We're slowly but surely getting there, lads.
What's next on the agenda? Can we try to ban Manuel from Fawlty Towers? A bit offended about how they portrayed us in that if I'm honest.
What's next on the agenda? Can we try to ban Manuel from Fawlty Towers? A bit offended about how they portrayed us in that if I'm honest.
Football clubs historically linked to fascists.
The last few years have definitely been throwing up incidents and events that i don't think would have happened even 10 years ago. Its a strange time, and yeah it does feel like we're going backwards to an extent.
I would be against Redcafe having an "upvote" feature for all posters but damn I'd like to give one for this.
Damn. That's feckries... What's going on over there?
On another note, I'm sure those that like to pop into this thread outraged over the latest molehill will ignore this mountain tho.
Look, I shouldn't have used the term, but the core idea of being a SJW and fighting against genuine persecution has been completely twisted. You now have comedians releasing documentaries in order to get a minor character in a cartoon banned because it was a bit offensive, you have people shutting down debate online because people happen to express views which fall outside of their left wing echo chamber .. and so on. That's why the idea of being a SJW has become so toxic and mocked, because people have decided to take the original purpose and instead fight tooth and nail over meaningless nonsense, which mostly just serves to wind people up and push them towards horrible people.
Yeah, of course I still stand by the fact that the alt-right and guys like Rayush Valizadeh are far worse than people on the internet trying to shut down debates about cartoons. They're genuinely evil people. I just don't think shit like this helps, it just adds fuel to the fire.
What is anybody meant to even say about this? It's obviously horrible, there is absolutely no debate to be had. Fascism is evil and should be fought at any possible opportunity, but there is feck all we can do about it in Brazil beyond mounting a South American D Day.
Feckall you can do about Apu leaving the Simpsons but here you are... Couldn't resist sorry.
@Mockney @afrocentricity
Tbf, the reason why these events don’t get debated here much is because there’s pretty much full consensus (on this board at least) that it’s just fecked up and wrong.
- “Brazil sliding towards authoritarianism. Bolsonaro elected. Freedom of speech at Universities under serious threat”
- “Yeah man, shit’s fecked up. Horrible news”
Conversation over.
The whole Jazz hands, Kleenex or Apu conversation gets traction because there’s differing views. Unless you mean to tell me that there should be differing views on the Brazil situation as well, but that sounds more like looking for someone to vent against. Because let’s be honest if there’s someone defending what’s happening there, they’re so far gone that you can’t have a rational discussion with them anyway.
Surely the fact that we have no one here willing to defend it, even by playing devil’s advocate, is a good thing and not a bad thing?
Tbf, the reason why these events don’t get debated here much is because there’s pretty much full consensus (on this board at least) that it’s just fecked up and wrong.
- “Brazil sliding towards authoritarianism. Bolsonaro elected. Freedom of speech at Universities under serious threat”
- “Yeah man, shit’s fecked up. Horrible news”
Conversation over.
The whole Jazz hands, Kleenex or Apu conversation gets traction because there’s differing views. Unless you mean to tell me that there should be differing views on the Brazil situation as well, but that sounds more like looking for someone to vent against. Because let’s be honest if there’s someone defending what’s happening there, they’re so far gone that you can’t have a rational discussion with them anyway.
Surely the fact that we have no one here willing to defend it, even by playing devil’s advocate, is a good thing and not a bad thing?
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Really tho? Brazil election has its own thread at the moment, I suspect it will end up having more posts than all 3 of those minor subjects got combined. Unless you are taking about posts specifically in this thread?
Regardless, my point is that you can talk about both. Personally I spend most of my time discussing or enquiring about other issues on here... It's just a matter of perspective.
Examples of PC gone mad in this thread usually don't get more than a few posts from me, if any...
Regardless, my point is that you can talk about both. Personally I spend most of my time discussing or enquiring about other issues on here... It's just a matter of perspective.
Examples of PC gone mad in this thread usually don't get more than a few posts from me, if any...
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Still waiting for someone who actually gives a shit that Apu is gone rather than giving a shit about why he is gone.
Apu is a tedious character, and Apu-heavy episodes are almost universally bad. Even if the Simpson's wasn't a hollow shell of its former self, I can't imagine anyone being saddened or disappointed by his departure
Yh I never found Apu funny, always seemed like lazy comedy to me. Does anyone still watch the Simpsons? It's been bad for a while. This does beg the question, how do you balance have more diverse characters in shows, which people have been calling for and the fear that those characters will be held up as evidence of stereotyping? Take a show like The Boondocks for example, if that show was written by a white person, wouldn't people be up in arms claiming it perpetrated stereotypes of minorities?
I see what you're saying, but a show like Boondocks couldn't (I mean technically its not impossible, but in reality, it pretty much is impossible) be written by a white person, because it's a racial satire that critiques black culture primarily - which includes analysis of stereotypes, good & bad. In order to do that well, imo, you need to have lived the experience yourself.
The over-arching message of Boondocks doesn't celebrate stereotypes of black people - if anything it criticises them deeply, and the characters who don't suffer from the stereotypes are the normalised ones. Riley is probably an exception - but even then he personifies the stereotype of someone who uses violence & slang as a front for their own insecurity & pain, while actually being intellectual, just never having the platform to express himself positively.
If a show written by white writers could do something similar then I would be thoroughly impressed (The Wire is the only one that immediately comes to mind) and it would be received well. The problem is trying to portray the black experience (and likewise the PoC experience) while not personally experiencing it yourself, means that you're often left to rely on others' narratives, which often means you tend to revert to stereotypes.
If shows want diverse characters, it's very easy to do - just not centre a characters personality around their race. Shows like Brooklyn Nine Nine, Black Mirror, New Girl etc - achieve this very well.
Most Simpsons characters are lazy comedy, there's some great writing in there (aside from the recent series..) but the characters are hardly well rounded. Pretty much everybody is an example of a stereotype and designed to generate cheap laughs.
Not everything in comedy has to be clever, sometimes it can just be light hearted fun. I think somebody mentioned Manuel from Fawlty Towers earlier, a pretty nailed on example of a stereotype .. and it was funny to a lot of people. I don't think people are watching the likes of the Simpsons, Family Guy or South Park for their intellectually stimulating content. It's cheap laughs.
I found Apu pretty funny, so did a lot of people I'd guess. I also completely disagree that he was a 'tedious character' @Halftrack .. I actually thought he was pretty good and represented as being a genuinely good, family guy, and I enjoyed his episodes. I've even seen plenty of people from India coming out and saying they found the character funny and don't understand the backlash.
I just hope this isn't a sign of the future of comedy, I think this is what a lot of people are worried about. At what point do the likes of South Park also start coming under siege from those who see themselves as being the comedy crusaders?
Why worry about what hasn't happened? If there was a movement against stereotypes or crass humour then there are loads of cartoons that would have been targeted long before The Simpsons.
I suspect if there's ever a campaign against Family Guy, Fox and Seth will piss themselves with laughter and then dry their eyes after with all the money they've made from it.
At this point in time we are talking about a singular cartoon, a family show. Let me know when there's actually something to worry about and you never know, I might even agree with you.
Until then... Stop making a mountain of a molehill. This is peak drama queenery.
Seems like @SquishyMcSquish will miss him badly.
Haven't seen any of the bold myself. And again the most "snowflake" protected character is the American WASP. Imagine if the Simpsons actually had a character mocking the midwest, ignorant American WASP stereotype and making fun of the protestant religion on a regular basis? The Fox News crowd would have gone berserk years ago. Actually that's probably why the Simpsons never had a character like that - they were a Fox show so its okay to make fun of Scots, Italians, rich guys but never, ever okay to make fun of the ignorant Anglo-Saxon Protestant
I don't disagree, and if they did release such a character and there was a huge backlash, I'd be defending the shows right to have that stereotype as well.
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I agree with everything else you said. I think a show of that nature written by a white person would get destroyed on social media. Brooklyn 9-9, BM and New Girl are pretty "safe" shows in terms of character depictions and that's fine, I think all 3 of those shows are good. But I don't think in this day and age, those shows that try to push the boundaries, can take those types of risks anymore. Breaking bad got quite a bit of criticism for it's depiction of certain characters and some even suggested it was pushing a white supremacy narrative. And maybe that's fine, maybe we should be more critical of the types of characters and shows we put on TV and creators have to keep this in mind, maybe just a sign of the times we are living in.
I think those guys are pretty immune to any such criticism.
What am I doing? I never claimed to be a defender of minorities. There's very little I can do.
That said, I think people who fight such committed campaigns over minor shit like a stereotype in a cartoon, actually do more harm than good. It just entrenches people's view of the left as rabid fun police. Was this a battle worth fighting? I guess to him it was, but I imagine it will be used as an example of PC gone mad for a good while. And an example that a lot of people will probably view as reasonable.
I dunno, to me it just seems like unnecessary fuel to the fire. A guy with a silly accent in a silly cartoon filled with similar stereotypes? I don't get the need for the outrage. Like I've said numerous times, I personally do not care about the removal of the character, I don't even watch the show. I just see examples of this across the internet and how people react to it and use it, and think that sometimes people need to pick the right battles.
Are adult shows under the same kind of scrutiny? Can't say I've heard of anything and haven't seen anyone post an example in here yet.
And people wonder why we have no funny shows like Monty Python anymore
Sorry I saw this late...but have you seen Archer? It doesn't exactly shy away from race-based humour, and I haven't seen any significant pushback against it. I think it's because no character is used as a stand-in for a race. Conway Stern was the one ad the recurring joke about him was how unusual he was (black Jew). And (obviously IMO) the first 4 seasons are the funniest things on TV.
In the same vain, even as the transgender agenda compels speech and destroys freedoms, somehow this also happens.
All References to Transgender Americans Scrubbed From Government Websites
https://medium.com/@Phaylen/all-ref...Lu9s5mkLq4TeuneYw4-vXB3zejmJmZVAwr8UTcxHHXFS0
Well they've been going after South Park for years, especially Christian groups but the episode where they depicted Mohammed attracted a lot of controversy as well.
Family Guy has come under attack loads of times, quite often from religious groups but also LGBT ones after an episode about Quagmire's dad being transgender.
family guy should be under attack for not being funny
And yeah, there has been a ton of backlash against South Park. I'm pretty sure plenty of episodes have been banned in a load of countries.
You can quit trying to paint the people willing to actually do something, as the bad guys in this. That would be a start.
I mean to the extent where they've had to course correct. Is that the case?