Has political correctness actually gone mad?

Cheesy said:
There'll be big changes but it's not necessarily a bad thing - the planet is already overpopulated as it is
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It's time the world introduced a cap on how many children families can have. 2 Maximum. It really should be 1 but it's pointless thinking about it as It won't happen and we will just continue to overpopulate until all natural resources are gone, all land is built on and the only fish and animals left will be those that are farmed.

The planet is only sustainable for 4 billion people, we are double that and growing at an alarming rate. I honestly feel that this and climate change are the biggest problems facing us today but it is largely ignored.
 
langster said:
It's time the world introduced a cap on how many children families can have. 2 Maximum. It really should be 1 but it's pointless thinking about it as It won't happen and we will just continue to overpopulate until all natural resources are gone, all land is built on and the only fish and animals left will be those that are farmed.

The planet is only sustainable for 4 billion people, we are double that and growing at an alarming rate. I honestly feel that this and climate change are the biggest problems facing us today but it is largely ignored.
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Imposing limits is quite sketchy though, very authoritarian and hard to enforce. Instead we should be focusing on education and improving social conditions - when you do that people know how to avoid getting pregnant so long as they don't want to. But right-wing Christian types will always preach abstinence even though it's been shown time and time again it's a terrible approach.
 
Cheesy said:
Imposing limits is quite sketchy though, very authoritarian and hard to enforce. Instead we should be focusing on education and improving social conditions - when you do that people know how to avoid getting pregnant so long as they don't want to. But right-wing Christian types will always preach abstinence even though it's been shown time and time again it's a terrible approach.
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I completely agree but the hard truth is we are destroying this planet and it is not sustainable. The population is exploding and unless something is done we will run out of resources and kill off everything that is no use to us. We are making species extinct on a daily basis and have been for quite some time now. We humans are a virus to this planet and I'm sorry, I don't think many appreciate or deseve it.

Sorry for being so negative but it is true.
 
langster said:
It's time the world introduced a cap on how many children families can have. 2 Maximum. It really should be 1 but it's pointless thinking about it as It won't happen and we will just continue to overpopulate until all natural resources are gone, all land is built on and the only fish and animals left will be those that are farmed.

The planet is only sustainable for 4 billion people, we are double that and growing at an alarming rate. I honestly feel that this and climate change are the biggest problems facing us today but it is largely ignored.
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How will you enforce this in Africa where the birth rate is 5?

Most of Western countries already have a low birthrate, Norway as an example got 1,70 something.
 
Global population growth rate is steadily shrinking (as in, it's still rising, but at a slowing rate). Only way to increase that is to increase economic development and education, caps are bad.
 
Cheesy said:
Which is fair enough - just pointing out that there's not the same need for people to have kids now. There'll be big changes but it's not necessarily a bad thing - the planet is already overpopulated as it is and while the birthrates in developing countries remain high if it's dropping elsewhere that's alright.
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One of the key reasons for our over-populated planet is that life expectancy rates have risen continiously over the years in many countries. This has resulted in a large ageing population, & it's not so much to do with people having too many children.
 
langster said:
I completely agree but the hard truth is we are destroying this planet and it is not sustainable. The population is exploding and unless something is done we will run out of resources and kill off everything that is no use to us. We are making species extinct on a daily basis and have been for quite some time now. We humans are a virus to this planet and I'm sorry, I don't think many appreciate or deseve it.

Sorry for being so negative but it is true.
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Our planet has been around for over 4 billion years & has survived ice-ages, meteor strikes, storms, etc. Our meagre existence will be nothing more than a blink of an eye to Mother Earth, & we'll be nothing more than a small wart on her arse when we're done. Don't get yourself too worked up about global warming, pollution etc. Mother is a tough old bird, & she'll do just fine.
 
redman5 said:
Don't get yourself too worked up about global warming, pollution etc. Mother is a tough old bird, & she'll do just fine.
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Well this is just not true.

From what scientists say we're changing the earth is a manner that might all already be irreversible and extremely damaging. Global warming is a real and serious issue that needs looking into by every single country on the planet.

Not that I agree with the idea of the government imposing any limits on Children. The high population areas in Africa and Asia are simply a byproduct of women not being educated enough and being treated like reproductive machines. Address that issue and the birth rates will drop.
 
Hitchez said:
Well this is just not true.

From what scientists say we're changing the earth is a manner that might all already be irreversible and extremely damaging. Global warming is a real and serious issue that needs looking into by every single country on the planet.

Not that I agree with the idea of the government imposing any limits on Children. The high population areas in Africa and Asia are simply a byproduct of women not being educated enough and being treated like reproductive machines. Address that issue and the birth rates will drop.
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Takes two to make a baby, that one is on both.
 
redman5 said:
Our planet has been around for over 4 billion years & has survived ice-ages, meteor strikes, storms, etc. Our meagre existence will be nothing more than a blink of an eye to Mother Earth, & we'll be nothing more than a small wart on her arse when we're done. Don't get yourself too worked up about global warming, pollution etc. Mother is a tough old bird, & she'll do just fine.
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Oh the planet will be fine. We might not be though.
 
redman5 said:
Our planet has been around for over 4 billion years & has survived ice-ages, meteor strikes, storms, etc. Our meagre existence will be nothing more than a blink of an eye to Mother Earth, & we'll be nothing more than a small wart on her arse when we're done. Don't get yourself too worked up about global warming, pollution etc. Mother is a tough old bird, & she'll do just fine.
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Yeah that's just not true at all. And although the planet itself may be ok, it will be an uninhabitable, empty rock hurtling through space with all the beautiful and diverse creatures that dwelled upon it extinct and all the amazing plant and tree life that covered it will be gone.

I find it remarkable how flippant people can be about our planet and how they can taken it for granted when you can see the effects of pollution and extinction of species with your own eyes.
 
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Ødegaard said:
Takes two to make a baby, that one is on both.
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That's missing the point quite spectacularly.

There seems to be a direction correlation between a woman's education level and the number of children she bears.
 
Hitchez said:
That's missing the point quite spectacularly.

There seems to be a direction correlation between a woman's education level and the number of children she bears.
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If a couple has wants to have sex but the woman is educated of the risks & responsibilities and if she has the option of using prevention, she'll be more likely to not make a baby before she wants one.
If a man is educated of the risks & responsibilities and have a condom or other prevention options available he'll be more likely to not make a baby before he wants one.

It's absolutely not missing the point.
I didn't want to become a father earlier in my life, so I made sure I had condoms available.
That was my responsibility & my choice. A man or a woman can only consider prevention or abstinence, both options goes for both sexes.

Your point that progress has gotten further because of the work of educating women on their part, which I agree has worked well, doesn't mean we can't make a lot of progress by focusing on mens responsibilities and education as well.
 
I think it's more to do with education enabling women to enter the workforce, which always reduces the number of children they have.
 
It's all very well saying all this regarding education and birth control and while it may be relevant and have worked a little in the Western world, it certainly won't in the third world. Not all the time rapes are at such a high and the population is told the usage of birth control is a sin that will keep them out of heaven when they die.

I personally think we have gone past the tipping point.
 
langster said:
It's all very well saying all this regarding education and birth control and while it may be relevant and have worked a little in the Western world, it certainly won't in the third world. Not all the time rapes are at such a high and the population is told the usage of birth control is a sin that will keep them out of heaven when they die.

I personally think we have gone past the tipping point.
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I agree on this. Developing third world countries is certainly the most effective way for now.
 
Ødegaard said:
Your point that progress has gotten further because of the work of educating women on their part, which I agree has worked well, doesn't mean we can't make a lot of progress by focusing on mens responsibilities and education as well.
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While that is true, it also has to be do with societies that are patriarchal in nature and not just to do with men's education which is the case in a lot of countries in Africa and Asia.
 
Hitchez said:
While that is true, it also has to be do with societies that are patriarchal in nature and not just to do with men's education which is the case in a lot of countries in Africa and Asia.
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I don't mean to sound like a troll, I'm just genuinely slow. Could you elaborate?
 
Ødegaard said:
I don't mean to sound like a troll, I'm just genuinely slow. Could you elaborate?
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I'm saying that a combination patriarchal society and low rate of women's education has a direct impact on the number of children a woman bears. Once you emancipate women and they realize that there's more to them that simply being baby making machines the birth rates will drop. That's the way I see it at any rate.
 
Hitchez said:
I'm saying that a combination patriarchal society and low rate of women's education has a direct impact on the number of children a woman bears. Once you emancipate women and they realize that there's more to them that simply being baby making machines the birth rates will drop. That's the way I see it at any rate.
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We agree on it being a big part of it. :)
 
langster said:
It's all very well saying all this regarding education and birth control and while it may be relevant and have worked a little in the Western world, it certainly won't in the third world. Not all the time rapes are at such a high and the population is told the usage of birth control is a sin that will keep them out of heaven when they die.

I personally think we have gone past the tipping point.
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You love your melodrama Langster. :)

We're moving in the right direction. As ever, it's all about economic development:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/children-per-woman-UN?tab=chart&country=OWID_WRL
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langster said:
It's all very well saying all this regarding education and birth control and while it may be relevant and have worked a little in the Western world, it certainly won't in the third world. Not all the time rapes are at such a high and the population is told the usage of birth control is a sin that will keep them out of heaven when they die.

I personally think we have gone past the tipping point.
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Is this third world country on some other planet? because what it boils down to irrespective of country is the socioeconomic conditions and opportunities a country can create/provide for its population.
 
entropy said:
Is this third world country on some other planet? because what it boils down to irrespective of country is the socioeconomic conditions and opportunities a country can create/provide for its population.
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The best part is that it actually has worked already in many "third world" countries. So he couldn't possibly be more wrong.
 
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entropy said:
Is this third world country on some other planet? because what it boils down to irrespective of country is the socioeconomic conditions and opportunities a country can create/provide for its population.
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Of course that is a huge factor but I was more referring to the problems in Africa and the religious beliefs regarding contraception as we were discussing education affecting birth rates.
 
ThierryHenry said:
You love your melodrama Langster. :)

We're moving in the right direction.
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Haha yeah it's probably due to watching loads of programmes about extinction on Discovery this week. The programme about the last northern white rhino was heartbreaking as were the numbers of remaining animals left in the wild around the world.

Then we get to fish stocks...... Yeah, sorry but I'd happily sacrifice 4 billion people to get back land and wildlife that has been lost and if I was to be one of those to go then so be it. I just don't envy future generations growing up and only learning about extinct species in books like we have with dinosaurs and those generations learning that WE were responsible for the extinction of them and not a catastrohic extinction level event.

Melodramatic maybe, but entirely realistic too.
 
langster said:
Haha yeah it's probably due to watching loads of programmes about extinction on Discovery this week. The programme about the last northern white rhino was heartbreaking as were the numbers of remaining animals left in the wild around the world.

Then we get to fish stocks...... Yeah, sorry but I'd happily sacrifice 4 billion people to get back land and wildlife that has been lost and if I was to be one of those to go then so be it. I just don't envy future generations growing up and only learning about extinct species in books like we have with dinosaurs and those generations learning that WE were responsible for the extinction of them and not a catastrohic extinction level event.

Melodramatic maybe, but entirely realistic too.
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Holy shit... you're serious there, right?
 
There should be a cap on kids though, not per person but a permit to have them, langster is right ideally we should all stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction - one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal. I also agree with carolina red and think violent video games should be band to save the planet.
 
Muffled funk said:
There should be a cap on kids though, not per person but a permit to have them, langster is right ideally we should all stop reproducing, walk hand in hand into extinction - one last midnight, brothers and sisters opting out of a raw deal. I also agree with carolina red and think violent video games should be band to save the planet.
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A big portion of 'parents' in the UK would not be given permission to buy a puppy. Yet they are free to pump out as many neglected, uneducated children as they see fit.
 
Jippy said:
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Can we just ban charities like comic relief? And in doing so stop charging commonwealth countries colonial tax too? Also maybe return the resources that were stolen during colonial times.
 
langster said:
Of course that is a huge factor but I was more referring to the problems in Africa and the religious beliefs regarding contraception as we were discussing education affecting birth rates.
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I normally agree with you on a lot of topics, but I could not disagree with you more on this ‘overpopulation’ schtick.
Especially since fingers are pointed at third world countries and continents like Africa and South Asia and how the average family are having 5/6 kids and it’s somehow draining the planet of its resources. It’s ridiculous.

Who are the people always said to be overpopulating? Now compare that to who the people hoarding all of the resources and causing the biggest issues when it comes to the environment, ecological health, over-consumption/waste of water and food, AND excess breeding of farm animals.
Is the issue the number of people on the planet surpassing the resources available? Or is it that the resources are entirely hoarded by a small percentage of the world population that happens to also be utilizing those resources in tandem with the most inhumane, spiritiually deficient, and hedonistic lifestyle/philosophy as a result of modernity? Who are the ones most polluting the planet? The people in Bangladesh and Nairobi?

No of course it isn’t.

I agree that the resources are being used at a much faster rate than they should be, but that’s not the fault of Africans or South Asians.

And if you’re serious about the planet being overpopulated then the Americans and Europeans should be the first to go.

Also most families in Africa who do have 5 kids barely have the money or resources to sustain them beyond the poverty line - which results in children dying under the age of 5. So yeah the mothers may birth multiple kids but not all reach adulthood.
 
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