Knock on effect for Leicester is, reports of 40m being quoted to Leicester for luis dunk by Brighton. 
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Knock on effect for Leicester is, reports of 40m being quoted to Leicester for luis dunk by Brighton.
Dunk does not seem required at present
Seriously though - do you expect Utd to up their 70m bid?
Also there is 15% sell on fee to Hull, so basically we are poor, cough up.
I guess I'm the opposite in that I don't understand it when fans don't grasp that the owners are only going to spend a limited amount of money on players, and if they waste a load of money by overpaying for players or buying players that are not much use to us then there is less money to spend on other players who might improve us more. It's very simple really.
Do you think we have an X amount to spend? If we spent 15 million more on Maguire we're 15 mil short for Fernandes? Don't think it's how it works to be honest.
Yes, I'm pretty sure you can't spend the same money twice.
Real life is not football manager, every player acquisition is a separate business operation, so I don't think in the grand scheme of things overpaying by 15 million for one player takes from our budget for others.
Knock on effect for Leicester is, reports of 40m being quoted to Leicester for luis dunk by Brighton.
They'd be mad not to ask for one of Rojo or Jones even bailly I think, if they feel they eo lose maguire. They are good players just not cutting it at United who need to freshen up. 60m plus any of those would be better business than getting 80 and spending 40 on likes of dunk
OK, so in your understanding is there any such thing as a waste of money in football? If we spent £120m on a decent backup left back would that have any effect on the transfer budget? Because the way you think about things it seems like it makes no difference because any other transfers would be a "separate business operation".
We haven't got infinite money to spend. So of course we have xxx to spend.
What? I think we have a target of X amount of players and we try to hit it with least money possible, nothing more nothing less. We're not buying Maguire for 80 mil then saying shit, we're 10 mil short, forget Fernandes.
Yeah, and as it happens in business - budgets are flexible depending on circumstances. Of course there's a limit, but if we're offering 70 million pounds on a player it's not our max that if exceeded will eat the rest of our budget. I don't know what's not to get.
So is it possible to waste money on a transfer?
Always been far from his biggest fan but from what we had last season, if we go into next season with Wan Bissaka and Maguire replacing Young and Smalling, I cant complain too much. Defensive issues will have been addressed. Maguire to his credit is better at attacking set pieces than any of our defenders, stays fit, is physically very strong and dominant, very strong in the air, but also better on the ball than our other CBs (or on par with Lindelof). Would be a massive improvement adding those 2. The prices are insane of course, but at the end of the day, would rather have him VS spending half on prospect that isnt ready anyway. Plus the chance he really takes to a big team and steps up even more.
Yes I'm referring to margins of 10-20 million obviously, not offering 120 million on back ups..
Seems a bit expensive for the figures being thrown around and i'm not sure whether he had a great season after the world cup, but pound for pound how will this compare with say buying Issa diop? Particularly since i know nothing about Diop at all. Koulibaly will cost even more than Maguire knowing Napolis CEO despite him being a sure thing IMO as far as fitting in here and owning that Cb spot is concerned like VVD did at Pool.
So how about a transfer like the Sanchez one, where we're paying something like £20m in fees and then a similar amount every year on wages... for a backup player. Do you think that makes any difference to our ability to invest in other players?
We probably have £300 million to spend - if the board feels it's a good enough investment. If OGS goes to the board and says : sign these 3 players for £80 million each - the board might reply something along the lines of: No - not without raising some funds by selling players. But we won't seel Pogba this summer.
Or they might say - we ll try to sign these players - but only if we raise £100 million next summer at the latest. Even if that means we have to sell Pogba.
Anyone with half a brain could easily have come up with the list above and you clearly did not read what I said...
I said his oversea signing were not as successful in comparison to PL signings
Who ever we buy, we'll have to pay up for any proven player from any league. We should have bought Maguire last summer and we should be buying him this summer. I get the price is off-putting, but everyone knows a) we have money and b) desperately need a quality CB. Lastly, Leceister doesn't need to sell and the player isn't pushing for a move out of respect, even if he wants one. It all adds up to at least £80m to me. Just get the deal done. I want to see this team move forward, not another 6th place finish.
Not buying a CB again this window would be a disaster.
Not buying a CB again this window would be a disaster.
I agree.
Of course it does.
I believe the poster is saying that the club's budget isn't fixed. Some years they overspend and others they don't.
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It's sad that the vetoed January Center Back wishlist made by Mourinho, is being looked at again by the same board that vetoed it.
Maguire, Milenkovic, Skriniar, Romagnoli, Mina, Alderweireld are ALL being looked at this summer.
Unfortunately, we will have to pay over the odds just 6 months later.
This proposed transfer isn’t so much about improving us, which it Weill do, but also weakening Leicester as they have a real chance of finishing higher than us next season.
It’s basically doing what city did when they first won the blood money lottery, weaken your nearest rivals and build from there.
It’s basically doing what city did when they first won the blood money lottery, weaken your nearest rivals and build from there.
The flip side is, if we decide not to purchase Maguire because we value him around ten million less than the quoted price, there is no guarantee that we will spend the funds on someone else instead
Sure. And maybe overspending 5 or 10 million on one player won't make much difference. But the cumulative effect of playing out huge salaries for players like Sanchez not even good enough to make the team, and paying big fees for midfielders like Fred is going to be that there is less to spend on players who would actually improve the team. That's why fans take an interest on how well (or badly) money is spent on players.
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I agree, we shouldn't overspend. It is a sign of being weak in negotiations. We've been overspending for years unfortunately . Then again, I remember when we refused spend the odd 10 million more and lost Hazard to Chelsea (apparently).
Let's look at AWB. Did we overspend? How do you judge the fee paid before the player has played for us? What about VVD? At the time Liverpool bought him most thought the fee was exorbitant. Now that looks like a good deal. So, when someone complains about spending X on Maguire as opposed to X-£10m then I just roll my eyes.
I don't know where are you going with this, he was obviously brought in to be a star player of the first team, it didn't work out. We don't have a bottomless pit of money, it's obvious, all I'm saying is I don't care if we overpay for a player (Maguire) by 10-20 million this year as I don't think it will affect the rest of our activity this window too much. Don't think I can make my point any more clear.
I hope for your sake that you don't run a business.
This was your original response to me:
If you'd left that bit out of your post I wouldn't disagree. He's worth way more now than he was at Southampton, nobody is questioning that. But I was responding to the bolded part. He was none of those things at Southampton but he was still held in higher regard than Maguire.
You never answered my question either. If the VVD of Southampton was sold today do you think he'd have cost any more now than 18 months ago? I'm asking because your logic seems to be that inflation has risen so much in the last 18 months yet in reality, it hasn't. If anything we'll be the ones inflating CB fees even further if we spend £80m on Maguire, as VVD is still the benchmark.
Completely agree. Real life isn’t FM and I can’t imagine overspending say 10m on a player will have any sort of effect on other targets in the same window.
I'm sure the list of domestic signings would be similar in quality to the list I posted, I just fail to see much of a distinction between the foreign signings vs domestic, we have had plenty of domestic flops too I'm sure.
With the price-tag for Maguire, I think we should look for a swap-deal Lukaku/Skriniar
I don’t think it’s a good question - and almost impossible to answer, which is why I haven’t. The reason is there is an inherent bias, because we all know VVD went on to be a WC CB.
If VVD was at Southampton now - you would now have Man Utd, City and Liverpool all after him. Whereas 18 months ago City and Utd didn’t have an acute need for a CB - this in itself would push the price up. Liverpool had a free run at him 18 months ago. Clearly there has also been a level of player inflation generally in the last 18 months. When Neymar moved to PSG, it was thought to be a complete outlier - and now you have the likes of Felix going for €120, the market keeps going up.
There is still a complete dearth of CBs around.
So in answer to your question, which I still don’t really get - if VVD was being sold this summer, then I wouldn’t be surprised if he went for £100m.
It's interesting that you talk in ifs and buts despite telling me my question is invalid because it's not a real scenario.
Anyway we're obviously not going to agree and are just going on circles so this is pointless.
Clear upgrade over the drosses we have.
Available PL proven.
Wants to join us, a non CL club, which is probably in its lowest position in over 3 decades.
Its not like we have other valid choices.
The 75mil will go towards glazers pockets otherwise.
What are we complaining about again?
Available PL proven.
Wants to join us, a non CL club, which is probably in its lowest position in over 3 decades.
Its not like we have other valid choices.
The 75mil will go towards glazers pockets otherwise.
What are we complaining about again?
In a world where you want players to be more diplomatic, I really want him to kick up a fuss so we can seal the deal asap.
Dunk does not seem required at present
Seriously though - do you expect Utd to up their 70m bid?
Also there is 15% sell on fee to Hull, so basically we are poor, cough up.
I think we will somewhere in the region of 75-80m. Doubt we will go over 80m, personally.
Some nonsense in here. Throwing away £10-20m doesn't affect what we can spend? Lets just give Darmian and others away while we're at it.
Or the 75m could go towards a CB that actually suits our style of play like Diop (who also has a higher ceiling than Maguire.) or some other defender that is valued rationally.
Juventus just offered 49m for De Ligt. LCFC want 40m more than that for a worse player. They can feck off.
So you think that there is a fixed budget and if we pay say 80m instead of 70m for Maguire we’ll reduce the fee willing to pay Sporting for Fernandes by 10m?
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