Harry Maguire | Signed

[Dan_F]

If we’re going for him because we’ve identified we need a ball playing defender who can compliment Lindelof and defend set pieces, then it makes sense why we’re all in.

It doesn’t make sense to target someone like Toby to save money, when our biggest issues are defending headers and defenders staying fit. That would be another case of just buying players for the sake of it, when they don’t actually fit what we need.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Wow, I'm a software developer, if I was to make any sort of analogy to do with computers I guess it would be a good one cause that's my specialist field?

Do you think VVD would've cost Liverpool more now than 18 months ago, given he was a world record fee and would still, at £75m, be a world record fee today?

I mean the market was already insane back then, it's not like the last 18 months have been anything like the previous 12 months were in terms of inflation.

Just because you don’t understand something, doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense...

I’m not taking about the hyperthetical situation of if VVD was at Southampton in Jul 2019. That’s pie in the sky thinking, pointless and futile.

If your comparing the value of VVD and Maguire, you have to compare them both in today’s market. My estimate would be that VVD, being a WC CB, and CL winner would cost in the region of at least £130m.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

You again.
I think most posters on here will have seen plenty of Maguire, both for Leicester and England, no?

You missed me, didn't you old chum?

Nah, in all seriousness, I want Maguire, think he has the potential to be our best signing post-Fergie actually.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

From the second his name was first mentioned until.... probably today

There was a lot of complaining! However, if James was the 4th or 5th player we signed this summer, I doubt there would be any complaints.

 

[GJNJ]

Well i guess we will see next season won't we under VAR, shot down with stats.... from when he hasn't been playing under VAR? noice, and we all know how vitally useful stats are for anything outside of FM.

I may be wrong, hope so, just my opinion and it will only be proven or disproved next season, so until then the point is kind of moot!

I think Smalling does what he does because he can get away with apart from rare occasions. Most defenders defend like he does and they will probably be a fair few penalties early in the season and then they will realise what they can/can't get away with.

Smalling comes across a reasonably intelligent guy for a footballer so he will know, I'm pretty sure the referee's will remind them before the season starts.

 

[Patrick08]

It's not like the Glazers don't give money, more like they waste a lot of money.

It's their fault too for not getting a proper structure and a clueless banker running the club.

 

[Treble]

It's their fault too for not getting a proper structure and a clueless banker running the club.

Absolutely.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

It's their fault too for not getting a proper structure and a clueless banker running the club.

Indeed.

Also, the money that they 'give' is a fraction of what the club actually generates...

It isn't their money, it's the club's money.

The Glazers take out of the club - they put utterly nothing of their own resources into Man Utd.

 

[Sandikan]

Indeed.

Also, the money that they 'give' is a fraction of what the club actually generates...

It isn't their money, it's the club's money.

The Glazers take out of the club - they put utterly nothing of their own resources into Man Utd.

It's incredible how some posters still don't understand that key last line

"oooh, but we spend a lot of money though, you're spoilt"

 

[Rish Sawhney]

Indeed.

Also, the money that they 'give' is a fraction of what the club actually generates...

It isn't their money, it's the club's money.

The Glazers take out of the club - they put utterly nothing of their own resources into Man Utd.

That makes no sense. Its their club. Hence the club's money is their money.

Regarding taking money out. Of course they do. its a business and they're taking out some dividents the amount BTW happens to be basically chump change in the grand scheme of things in the club's revenue. All the rise in revenue that put us to the top of the revenue charts was also the Glazers' and Woodward's doing. Without Glazer's we'd be Arsenal, who can no longer afford to spend the biggest bucks.

I have problems with the the way Glazers have run the football aspect of the club. I think they've given too much responsibility to Woodward and not taken enough of an interest in restructuring the organization structure. But the idea that they're bleeding the club dry and are just selfish greedy cnuts is just asinine.

 

[Dec9003]

You missed me, didn't you old chum?

Nah, in all seriousness, I want Maguire, think he has the potential to be our best signing post-Fergie actually.

I'd like him as well, he's obviously a good centre back. He's also improved continuously over the last few years, which is good to see.
Hopefully we can haggle them down for a reasonable price, but I doubt it.
I don't really care about money being out the glazers pockets, but we need a couple more players I think or we'll struggle; especially looking at our midfield.

 

[DickDastardly]

That makes no sense. Its their club. Hence the club's money _is_ their money.

Also taking out 20 million odd is chump change. All the rise in revenue that put us to the top of the revenue charts was also the Glazers' and Woodward's doing. Without Glazer's we'd be Arsenal, who can no longer afford to spend the biggest bucks.

I have problems with the the way Glazers have run the football aspect of the club. I think they've given too much responsibility to Woodward and not taken enough of an interest in restructuring the organization structure. But the idea that they're bleeding the club dry and are just selfish greedy cnuts is just asanine.

Biggest mistake any new buisness owner could make.

Your buisness money is NOT your money!

 

[Sandikan]

That makes no sense. Its their club. Hence the club's money is their money.

Regarding taking money out. Of course they do. its a business and they're taking out some dividents the amount BTW happens to be basically chump change in the grand scheme of things in the club's revenue. All the rise in revenue that put us to the top of the revenue charts was also the Glazers' and Woodward's doing. Without Glazer's we'd be Arsenal, who can no longer afford to spend the biggest bucks.

I have problems with the the way Glazers have run the football aspect of the club. I think they've given too much responsibility to Woodward and not taken enough of an interest in restructuring the organization structure. But the idea that they're bleeding the club dry and are just selfish greedy cnuts is just asinine.

How on earth would we be Arsenal without the Glazers?
Why couldn't we be Man City, but actually using our own money?

Do you not think an estimated 1.8m taken out of the club isn't bleeding us dry?
Obviously they can't take every single penny, or we'd drop to 15th, and sponsorships would dry up.

They recognise we're in real danger of losing a lot of money this year, hence really going in this summer. Similar to the last time we missed top 4.

 

[Rish Sawhney]

Biggest mistake any new buisness owner could make.

Your buisness money is NOT your money!

It absolutely is. Most good businessmen will not treat it as such and neither do the Glazers. But all investors/owners/business people take some money out of their investments/businesses. i'm not seeing why this is such a major issue? OK so the owners take some dividend out of the club. In the same time the club's spending in the transfer market has shot up so clearly its not limiting us from spending money.

And also consider this: No one is more better off with the long term success of the club than the Glazers. More than the fans, more than Woodward, more than literally anybody.

 

[Rish Sawhney]

How on earth would we be Arsenal without the Glazers?
Why couldn't we be Man City, but actually using our own money?

Do you not think an estimated 1.8m taken out of the club isn't bleeding us dry?
Obviously they can't take every single penny, or we'd drop to 15th, and sponsorships would dry up.

They recognise we're in real danger of losing a lot of money this year, hence really going in this summer. Similar to the last time we missed top 4.

1.8 million out of ~600 million total revenue? Yes its absolutely nothing. I'm surprised they're not taking 10x that amount out.

Why couldn't we be Man City, but actually using our own money?

Because we don't have sugar daddies that basically own states. We have businesspeople as owners who want their relationship with the club to be transactional. They (through Woodward) increase the marketability and revenue of the club for a relatively small dividend while massively increasing our revenue most of which can be used on the club. But to focus on the 0.2% that they take out is just misplacing your anger that should be towards at the real incompetence in running the club from post ferguson and the centralization of power at the club in Woodward's hands.

 

[Hughie77]

Maguire as supposedly said he want out? Now a bid has come in for him? If that's correct, he's leaving the foxes wheather it be to us or city?
I think this is a good move from Utd to put a bid in, at least they've shown there hand in what they want.

It's up to city now to put a higher offer in and see if it's excepted and Maguire goes there.

If city do not bid, then it's only us, he and the foxes have to talk to, if reports are true?

We all want a CB in If Maguire is the only Target let's try and go all out to get him, hopefully for no more the £78 million?

 

[Roboc7]

Who are these other players? Everyone is a risk ... Lindelof and Bailly have been a third of the Maguire's potential price and the risk we have taken is that they are not ready to come in and significantly improve the defence, which is what has happened.

That’s my point everyone is a risk, 90m for someone who is arguably Leicester’s second best CB would probably be biggest of this window.

I find it odd people think there aren’t good players in any position available throughout Europe. We’ve been terrible at recruiting players from any league for any amount of money, who have we bought in last six years who has significantly improved us. Our rivals have shown it can be done and will continue to do so I’m sure.

Seen few people say what world class CB’s are available this window and truth is zero, Maguire included because he’s not for sale and isn’t world class. How anyone can think he is only CB with potential is just strange, English players aren’t exactly the cream of the crop.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

I'd like him as well, he's obviously a good centre back. He's also improved continuously over the last few years, which is good to see.
Hopefully we can haggle them down for a reasonable price, but I doubt it.
I don't really care about money being out the glazers pockets, but we need a couple more players I think or we'll struggle; especially looking at our midfield.

I'm honestly not bothered about the price, think he'd be an epic signing.

The Glazers need to invest now, and if they don't they'll be hounded out imo.

What worries me more is the notion of not signing a functional, quality CF and going into the season with Rashford as the main CF...

 

[Sandikan]

1.8 million out of ~600 million total revenue? Yes its absolutely nothing. I'm surprised they're not taking 10x that amount out.

Why couldn't we be Man City, but actually using our own money?

Because we don't have sugar daddies that basically own states. We have businesspeople as owners who want their relationship with the club to be transactional. They (through Woodward) increase the marketability and revenue of the club for a relatively small dividend while massively increasing our revenue most of which can be used on the club. But to focus on the 0.2% that they take out is just misplacing your anger that should be towards at the real incompetence in running the club from post ferguson and the centralization of power at the club in Woodward's hands.

ahem, 1.8billion.

 

[Sandikan]

I'm honestly not bothered about the price, think he'd be an epic signing.

The Glazers need to invest now, and if they don't they'll be hounded out imo.

What worries me more is the notion of not signing a functional, quality CF and going into the season with Rashford as the main CF...

I get that feeling too. One of those signings people wonder about, then they prove to be excellent, like with Carrick for one great example.
The reaction to Maguire almost mirrors the Carrick feeling at the time.

 

[Sandikan]

That’s my point everyone is a risk, 90m for someone who is arguably Leicester’s second best CB would probably be biggest of this window.

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Only an absolute fool would try and argue this come on.
Evans is better than him?! A guy we shipped out as being utter garbage and worse as an option than some of the players we're crying about now?

 

[Gandalf]

Yep. 1.8 billion taken out of the club 0 invested and we are still hundreds of millions in debt to the banks. The Glazers could have eliminated the debt, refurbished the ground and spent a couple of hundred million more on players and they still would have pocketed hundreds of millions but the richer you are the greedier you are.

 

[Sandikan]

Maguire as supposedly said he want out? Now a bid has come in for him? If that's correct, he's leaving the foxes wheather it be to us or city?
I think this is a good move from Utd to put a bid in, at least they've shown there hand in what they want.

It's up to city now to put a higher offer in and see if it's excepted and Maguire goes there.

If city do not bid, then it's only us, he and the foxes have to talk to, if reports are true?

We all want a CB in If Maguire is the only Target let's try and go all out to get him, hopefully for no more the £78 million?

Unlike some of the near embarrassment pursuits in the early Woodward days, it looks like we're getting the proper go ahead from the player and agents now.
Maguire clearly wants to come, but doesn't want to ruin his rapport with Leicester by being a douche about it.

Not surprising really. 26 now, he's had his world cup breakthrough, if he didn't move this summer, would it come again, as they could just price us out of it again.
You could ask why did he sign such a long contract, which increases the chance of the club locking him in, but players tend to do this, as they'll generally choose to lap up the immediate increase in wage but looking loyal, and back themselves and their agents to get them out later.

 

[FootyGirl88]

It's their fault too for not getting a proper structure and a clueless banker running the club.

Well said Patrick!

 

[Hugh Jass]

This reminds me of the ed woodward cartoon where he buys the mars bar for 80 pounds.

 

[Roboc7]

Only an absolute fool would try and argue this come on.
Evans is better than him?! A guy we shipped out as being utter garbage and worse as an option than some of the players we're crying about now?

Evans is so utter garbage that Leicester bought him, plenty of Leicester fans will tell you Evans was as good or better last season. It’s fools like yourself that cry when they realise this kind of thing.

 

[Rossa]

For all the talk of lacking pace, is he slower than Vidic?

 

[Member 109952]

I get that feeling too. One of those signings people wonder about, then they prove to be excellent, like with Carrick for one great example.
The reaction to Maguire almost mirrors the Carrick feeling at the time.

And for everyone of those, you get a Schnierderlin, Bailly and Di Maria..

 

[AKDevil]

That’s my point everyone is a risk, 90m for someone who is arguably Leicester’s second best CB would probably be biggest of this window.

I find it odd people think there aren’t good players in any position available throughout Europe. We’ve been terrible at recruiting players from any league for any amount of money, who have we bought in last six years who has significantly improved us. Our rivals have shown it can be done and will continue to do so I’m sure.

Seen few people say what world class CB’s are available this window and truth is zero, Maguire included because he’s not for sale and isn’t world class. How anyone can think he is only CB with potential is just strange, English players aren’t exactly the cream of the crop.

I agree with you he is not world class. Has two big drawbacks ... shortage of speed and his price but ticks all other boxes. When I’m asking people who else, I want to know these defenders everybody talks about who tick more boxes. Premier league ready, obtainable, a potential defence leader, dominant in the air, good defensively, good on the ball, good age/amount of top level experience ... this is all I want to know. Because this is what we need. No more gambles (on the above list of criteria) or future projects.

 

[Gandalf]

Evans is better than Maguire? Best comedy site on the interwebs this.

For what it's worth, yes the price is steep but either we spend it on slabhead who instantly becomes our best defender on the ball, in the air and a genuine threat from set pieces or we pump a little bit more money back to the Glazers.

 

[cyberman]

maguire isnt fecking slow,.im.sick of reading this.
just because he isnt rapid doesnt mean he has a lack of pace.

 

[George The Best]

I really can’t get worked up about the price. That’s a matter for the business folk at the club and whether they feel we can afford it. We clearly can and they seem prepared to spend it. The market is changing rapidly with all the tv and sponsorship money sloshing around.

As a lifelong United fan I don’t think it’s up to me to determine how much the club should pay for a player. What us fans can reasonably question is whether an acquisition will strengthen the football team, or not. In this case I think Maguire will, so i’m personally happy they continue to try and reach an agreement.

 

[Rhyme Animal]

I get that feeling too. One of those signings people wonder about, then they prove to be excellent, like with Carrick for one great example.
The reaction to Maguire almost mirrors the Carrick feeling at the time.

Good call - though I reckon he is more of a leader than Carrick was (when we signed him), and would turn up ready for battle, so to speak.

The kind of signing that could instill confidence not just in the players next to him in defense, but also in the players in front of him in midfield, thus making our mid-unit more solid and calm - thus making our attack better fed by the midfield.

Sign him - at whatever price.

 

[Patrick08]

For all the talk of lacking pace, is he slower than Vidic?

I'd like to compare him to Mats hummels.

 

[Dec9003]

I'm honestly not bothered about the price, think he'd be an epic signing.

The Glazers need to invest now, and if they don't they'll be hounded out imo.

What worries me more is the notion of not signing a functional, quality CF and going into the season with Rashford as the main CF...

Yeah that's just it, I've read people say we'll be a laughing stock if we overpay for him, but would we not be that going into the season with the rabble we have at the back?
I like Rashford to be honest, but even if he was to kick on, we need more options upfront. Any season in the Europa league is pretty cruel in terms of the amount of matches you have to play.
I have no idea who we should go for regarding a striker though, I'm glad it's not my job.

 

[reddev3]

Biggest mistake any new buisness owner could make.

Your buisness money is NOT your money!

Of course it is, the mistake would be to treat it as your own personal fund because then the business will suffer, its still their money though. They could spend every penny the business had the day they bought it if they liked and run it into the ground, it wouldn't be smart, but they could.

Every penny Utd makes is Glazer money. Fortunately for us they are smart people so will always re invest what ever is needed to get the club where it needs to be so they can keep milking their cash cow. It's not ideal but like the other poster said at least we aren't Arsenal or Newcastle where those clubs only make enough to satisfy their owners dividends which means the club remains skint.

 

[Isotope]

SAF was a god. He could sign anyone at any price, I'd still be optimistic the player could develop into what we need. Just because he had a proven excellent track records.

Meanwhile, under Ole we extended Jones contract, overpaid a one season young RB, and gave 200k/wk to Rashford. It doesn't really give a much confidence.

 

[Shimo]

I don't think Maguire is worth 70m, he doesn't take our defense up several levels for what we are willing to pay. I know we leaked goals last season but, towards the end of the backend of the season, it wasn't the CB that were largely at fault to our defensive issues. For one, we had a very shaky De Gea, a hard working Young who could at times be found wanting defensively and in midfield we had some very lethargic play, giving up the ball needlessly or in dangerous positions.

We need to show some patience in the market, if the right buy is not there, then we shouldn't be overpaying for a player that will barely improve us in the short term and not one that will is considered a top player in the position

Our focus needs to be in shoring up midfield, getting a more mobile defensive midfielder first and foremost, one that can actually shield the defense and allow for more freedom from the likes of Pogba. Beyond that, if anything we really need a right winger. When our attack is so weak that we can't score against the likes of bottom/promoted teams, having a slight improved defense is not going to result in more wins.

 

[dev1l]

I'd like to compare him to Mats hummels.

Are there any stats available from which we can complete Maguire s speed vs Hummels?

 

[Hugh Jass]

SAF was a god. He could sign anyone at any price, I'd still be optimistic the player could develop into what we need. Just because he had a proven excellent track records.

Meanwhile, under Ole we extended Jones contract, overpaid a one season young RB, and gave 200k/wk to Rashford. It doesn't really give a much confidence.

Not a lot one can do for inflation. The market has driven the money.