Fans don't seem to understand we've giving our current rival Leicester City £90m for a player worth half that. HTF did Leicester City become our rival? - smart transfer dealings opposed to United's dumb dealings.
From 3 years ago at United:
Jones is not better than Bailly.
I agree, but its infuriating seeing teams like Inter offer us either a terrible £9m 2 year loan deal for a player who should be £80+m in this market, or in Juve's case offering up any of a number of their cast offs whom they no longer want. These clubs should have to pay up like we always do.
Why don't you do your own research?
)) In transfer forums we mostly concentrate on a player in question per se, not the part of the team. I suggest a different approach, what if we list commonly recognized attributes and try to guess what is Ole's plan here?)))Jones is an absolute calamity and has cost us more times than Young in my opinion. He's the one player in our squad that I cannot wait to leave.
If Juve manage to get DeLigt for 50m and we end up getting Maguire for 80
I like Maguire, but comparing the sort of fees we pay vs Barca/Juve is just depressing
Welcome to the Cafe.This is my first post. I've been reading this forum for more than 15 years. It's a lot fun, helpful information, different opinions. Transfer discussions are so heated
Maguire: is tall, good at heading, long range passing, bringing ball out of the defense, not prone to lapses of concentration. He is slow in terms of acceleration and agility. 194 cm, 100 kg guy cannot accelerate as fast as 185 cm, 79 kg guy. It's just physics. Given that we are heavily linked to him, we can assume that Ole needs a CB with attributes Maguire has. So, we can make a relatively safe bet on what his back 4 would look like. Shaw, Maguire, Lindelof, AWB. Fast defensive fullbacks, two CBs with license to carry ball. Very good setup against top 6. If we play Fred at DM (his role at Shakhtar where he was very, very good), we can deal with pressing machines like Spurs and Liverpool. Fast strikers: Rashford, Martial or Lukaku. Lingard on the top of the diamond. Pogba on the left and McT on the right. We will play low defensive line, counter and use set pieces. Mourinho couldn't implement this plan because his defense was short and shaky. Remember his words about Fred? With short CBs, Young as fullback and short Fred as DM we would be destroyed. It's just one of our options.
Against middle and bottom we might play 4-3-3 with high defensive line. Either Shaw or AWB will have to stay back if Maguire proves to be a problem against really fast opposition strikers. AWB and Shaw will get additional training hours for attacking skills. If Ole play James as wide winger (it's not impossible against lesser teams) then AWB will stay back most of the time and we mostly use left side: Pogba, Martial, Shaw. Right side creativity will be slightly enhanced if we use Fred as right CM with Matic as DM. This doesn't solve right flank problem entirely but we'll have a good option. We will also continue to use McT, Mata, Dalot combo (used to be Young, but I hope he's finished). Ole likes to be flexible and use different setups and different players against different opponents. We also will leak less goals at set pieces. Generally, the defense will be a lot more stable. I'm not trying to predict the formation, formation is a formal thing. We can call same formation 4-5-1, 4-4-1, 4-2-3-1 all in one game in different spells.
Next window we will start improving offense.
Maguire is answer to a lot of problems we have now. All of us want United to become a Klopps' Red Machine, Poch's Exicitng Young Spurs or Pep's Domintaor. We envy them, and we hate them. But we are United, we have our own business, and we are where we are. Let's think what can we do to improve that now. Ole's is not stupid and he has a plan. If Maguire is key to his plan, I don't care if we pay 70 or 90 or 150. And yes, I am biased and subjective, as any of us
First impressions. I watched his first few games. I can understand why they'd feel that way.
This is my first post. I've been reading this forum for more than 15 years. It's a lot fun, helpful information, different opinions. Transfer discussions are so heated
Maguire: is tall, good at heading, long range passing, bringing ball out of the defense, not prone to lapses of concentration. He is slow in terms of acceleration and agility. 194 cm, 100 kg guy cannot accelerate as fast as 185 cm, 79 kg guy. It's just physics. Given that we are heavily linked to him, we can assume that Ole needs a CB with attributes Maguire has. So, we can make a relatively safe bet on what his back 4 would look like. Shaw, Maguire, Lindelof, AWB. Fast defensive fullbacks, two CBs with license to carry ball. Very good setup against top 6. If we play Fred at DM (his role at Shakhtar where he was very, very good), we can deal with pressing machines like Spurs and Liverpool. Fast strikers: Rashford, Martial or Lukaku. Lingard on the top of the diamond. Pogba on the left and McT on the right. We will play low defensive line, counter and use set pieces. Mourinho couldn't implement this plan because his defense was short and shaky. Remember his words about Fred? With short CBs, Young as fullback and short Fred as DM we would be destroyed. It's just one of our options.
Against middle and bottom we might play 4-3-3 with high defensive line. Either Shaw or AWB will have to stay back if Maguire proves to be a problem against really fast opposition strikers. AWB and Shaw will get additional training hours for attacking skills. If Ole play James as wide winger (it's not impossible against lesser teams) then AWB will stay back most of the time and we mostly use left side: Pogba, Martial, Shaw. Right side creativity will be slightly enhanced if we use Fred as right CM with Matic as DM. This doesn't solve right flank problem entirely but we'll have a good option. We will also continue to use McT, Mata, Dalot combo (used to be Young, but I hope he's finished). Ole likes to be flexible and use different setups and different players against different opponents. We also will leak less goals at set pieces. Generally, the defense will be a lot more stable. I'm not trying to predict the formation, formation is a formal thing. We can call same formation 4-5-1, 4-4-1, 4-2-3-1 all in one game in different spells.
Next window we will start improving offense.
Maguire is answer to a lot of problems we have now. All of us want United to become a Klopps' Red Machine, Poch's Exicitng Young Spurs or Pep's Domintaor. We envy them, and we hate them. But we are United, we have our own business, and we are where we are. Let's think what can we do to improve that now. Ole's is not stupid and he has a plan. If Maguire is key to his plan, I don't care if we pay 70 or 90 or 150. And yes, I am biased and subjective, as any of us
What a shite response to valid question AND your stats are outdated.
Acceleration
The biggest problem with Jones it that whilst he's here he is going to start a lot of games. I'd much rather have Bailly as a squad option although he is rash at times. As for decent runs I'm pretty sure Bailly was very good in his first and most of his second season, far longer than jones has ever managed.
If Juve manage to get DeLigt for 50m and we end up getting Maguire for 80
I like Maguire, but comparing the sort of fees we pay vs Barca/Juve is just depressing
This is my first post. I've been reading this forum for more than 15 years. It's a lot fun, helpful information, different opinions. Transfer discussions are so heated
Maguire: is tall, good at heading, long range passing, bringing ball out of the defense, not prone to lapses of concentration. He is slow in terms of acceleration and agility. 194 cm, 100 kg guy cannot accelerate as fast as 185 cm, 79 kg guy. It's just physics.
