Harry Maguire | Signed

[Crashoutcassius]

He is 26, would likely view this move as a dream and is already top 6 defenders in the league in poor teams, adds massively to our attacking threat and fits the style in the sense that he can bring the ball out. Hard to fathom some people want to negotiate for the rest of the summer over 20m. The defensive signings we want just need to be done and we can move onto the attack at last

 

[ScarleyUtd]

yes but my point was in spite of this view (not sure how widespread it was) there is clearly a difference in quality between Maguire and VVD

How do you know Pep is in for him? are you claiming to be an ITK?

and on Peps record it's hardly flawless - he spent big on Stones (watch Highlights vrs the Netherlands lol) who hasn't been a success. Mendy has had issues with attitude, form and injury - youd hardly call him a success. Walker has been grand for 50m but not as effective as someone like Robertson who cost 8m. Laporte has probably been his best defensive signing and he cost 20/30m less than what Maguire is reportedly going for

where does this reputation for signing great defenders come from then? or is that a bit of fantasy perhaps?

It was as widespread as it is now on here and as much as it generally always is when we're in for someone who's going to cost a hefty chunk who's not a dead cert (as if anyone is).

With Pep, maybe it is, I don't know. I'd have to delve into his record on signing defenders. But as he was a great one you'd expect him to have some clue about what makes a good one. Stones clearly has not met the standard, like many don't. And I think it's 20/20 hindsight on Walker and Robertson. Walker was a nailed on starter and when you're as rich as City it's the obvious choice.

 

[Suvvernmanc]

If we bring in a truly world class CB then I think we can get away with just 1 CB. Koulibaly for example provides the pace, the air dominance and physicality that Lindelof needs to shine, he provides the quality and leadership that the chuckle brothers need to do well and he provides the experience Tuanzebe would need to progress to the next level. However if we can't sign Koulibaly then maybe we should get 2 CBs. Toby at 25m would provide experience, leadership and quality at the back while Joachim Andersen would provide aerial dominance and decent distribution of the ball that Maguire would provide at a cheaper fee. Their combined fee would be similar to the one we spend for Maguire with the difference that risks are spread out on two players + it would also allow us to sell 1-2 CBs.

Anderson is quality. I would also take Toby. But unfortunately we wont be buying 2 CBs. Jones is here to stay, for a while at least.

 

[devilish]

Anderson is quality. I would also take Toby. But unfortunately we wont be buying 2 CBs. Jones is here to stay, for a while at least.

In that case I can see space for 2 CBs with Smalling, Lindelof and Jones as cover + Tuanzebe on loan for another year. We would recoup some of the money selling Bailly and Rojo.

 

[AkaAkuma]

I'm sure any club would but we'll be lucky to get his ma for that price in this crazy market.

100m minimum but priceless while zidane is there.

I was being rhetorical. I believe Koulibaly is valued at 14OM. Varane 200+. So there's no comparison with Maguire at 80+.

 

[buckooo1978]

It was as widespread as it is now on here and as much as it generally always is when we're in for someone who's going to cost a hefty chunk who's not a dead cert (as if anyone is).

With Pep, maybe it is, I don't know. I'd have to delve into his record on signing defenders. But as he was a great one you'd expect him to have some clue about what makes a good one. Stones clearly has not met the standard, like many don't. And I think it's 20/20 hindsight on Walker and Robertson. Walker was a nailed on starter and when you're as rich as City it's the obvious choice.

well if people are complaining about the price of Maguire its hardly a sign hes going to turn out like the next VVD is it?

people complained about huge fees mooted for players like Strootman or Belotti - how would that have turned out?

the key thing you are missing here is that big fee does not equal great player

the bottom line is Harry Maguire is not an elite defender, hes not in the same tier as VVD and we're paying the English hype premium if we sign him

just look at Declan Rice - decent prospect, English but very inexperienced and quite limited in my view - 60m being mooted - if he wasnt English hes worth half that- no surprise he declared for England - maybe he felt more English but one thing is undeniable- bring English means a lot higher fees and higher wages

 

[2 man midfield]

Can't wait to see Shag-uire lineup for us. Playing the ball into midfield where Scotty-too-hotty picks it up and plays a defence splitting ball into Rashy. Liquid football.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

well if people are complaining about the price of Maguire its hardly a sign hes going to turn out like the next VVD is it?

That's my point – many were complaining about the price of VVD at the time.

Maybe some people really did rate VVD that much then and can genuinely compare Maguire as he is now. But I also suspect many are now lauding VVD with the huge benefit of hindsight. A lot didn't see him being worth the money– partly because he was at a lower English club. Which you could argue doesn't make a lot of sense either.

 

[Mickeza]

That's my point – many were complaining about the price of VVD at the time.

I don’t think many doubted his quality though. It was purely the price which at the time was a bit crazy. With Maguire many are doubting if he’s actually good enough defensively to lead the defence for a side that supposedly wants to become a top team. It’s quite a valid concern considering the club itself didn’t think he was much better than what we had just 12 months ago. The fact he’s going to cost £80m is secondary for me to his actual quality.

 

[buckooo1978]

That's my point – many were complaining about the price of VVD at the time.

Maybe some people really did rate VVD that much then and can genuinely compare Maguire as he is now. But I also suspect many are now lauding VVD with the huge benefit of hindsight. A lot didn't see him being worth the money– partly because he was at a lower English club. Which you could argue doesn't make a lot of sense either.

it is possible for people to complain about the price of a player and recognise him as a fantastic defender

personally I dont think Maguire is good enough to warrant that kind of fee - I dont think he is going to have the impact on our defence that VVD had on the Liverpool defence

the hottest defensive prospect in world football will move for 65 million so this should be a benchmark for the market we are operating in

I feel Alderweireld is a common sense signing for 25m but some would argue that 200k is too much for him

 

[JPRouve]

That's my point – many were complaining about the price of VVD at the time.

Maybe some people really did rate VVD that much then and can genuinely compare Maguire as he is now. But I also suspect many are now lauding VVD with the huge benefit of hindsight. A lot didn't see him being worth the money– partly because he was at a lower English club. Which you could argue doesn't make a lot of sense either.

For me VVD is very good but overhyped, Maguire is good but extremely overhyped. If Maguire was very good, I would still complain about the fee but I wouldn't be worried about having to replace him in 2021. We are talking about a player that is this season unfavorably compared to Evans by Leicester's fans.

 

[Mark1361]

I’ll be pissed off if he ends up at City. I think he’ll really step up.

If pep really wanted him city would make sure they got him. No way in hell would we be able to match Oil money in a bidding war. The only reason we won the sanchez race is because there was no bidding war.

We might be able to match them in wages or even offer better wages . But the transfer fee no way in hell can we match it or stand a chance or beating it. never going to happen with the Glazers ownership

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Leicester conceded more goals then Everton and Wolves. They conceded as many goals as Newcastle and 2 less goals then West Ham

You can’t judge an individual centre back performance based on defensive unit/team performance. For example 2 seasons ago, Leicester had -4 goals difference but he still won both Leicester & player’s player of the season. Despite of conceded lot of goals & Vardy scored 20 league goals in 17/18, both the fans & player still voted him as player of the season.

Both AWB & Maguire will massively improve us in defense.

 

[Roboc7]

His value is a bout 40m, paying 50m would be a premium. He’s nowhere near VVD and won’t have same impact, if he can’t be bought for 40-50m then move on. It’s desperation if consider paying 70-80m for this guy and plenty of other options.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

People questioned Van Dijk's quality because he signed with Liverpool. Same reason some here acted like they never rated Fabinho once he signed for Liverpool.

 

[Dahnsouff]

None of your valuations matter one bit. It’s a sellers market.

 

[starman]

I love it how people rate and compare him to Liverpools VVD and not the Southampton one that so many people shat on..

If only I could bottle up the cafe's hindsight..

 

[UnofficialDevil]

James and Maquire.. typical mid table team signings.. which is what we are I guess. Imagine Real rebulding the way we are..

 

[Dante]

I love it how people rate and compare him to Liverpools VVD and not the Southampton one that so many people shat on..

If only I could bottle up the cafe's hindsight..

Very true.

£75 for a good but unproven (at the top level) CB, who's 26 years old and at a midtable club.

That's the going rate for a player with that profile. Particularly when Maguire has been a starter for a nation that's reached the WC and NL semifinals and was his club's player of the season the season before last.

 

[Rockets Redglare]

James and Maquire.. typical mid table team signings.. which is what we are I guess. Imagine Real rebulding the way we are..

Similar to how Liverpool signed Mane, VVD, Robertson, Wijnaldum and Shaqiri.

All mid table (or worse) and they were all signings which were sneered at by United fans.

 

[reddev3]

James and Maquire.. typical mid table team signings.. which is what we are I guess. Imagine Real rebulding the way we are..

Why even mention the name Madrid when talking about our rebuild? we have barely manged to qualify for the champions league the same amount of times they have won it in the last 5/6 years. If we bought Ziyech, longstaff, Tielemans, Bissaka and Maquire to replace Young, Smalling, Matic, Herrera and Lingard in the first team (220 mill would buy the lot) with James trying to displace Martial over the Season we could easily challenge Spurs for third place. Then in a Season or two you can step up the level of acquisitions to mainly world class only to supplement the young and improving first team ready to challenge for the two Major trophies.

 

[elnorte]

Similar to how Liverpool signed Mane, VVD, Robertson, Wijnaldum and Shaqiri.

All mid table (or worse) and they were all signings which were sneered at by United fans.

Actually more like Hodgson's and Dalgish's worst acquisitions. See Konchesky, Shelvey, Adam, Coates et al.

 

[Stookie]

James and Maquire.. typical mid table team signings.. which is what we are I guess. Imagine Real rebulding the way we are..

Aye but one difference is that United don’t have most of the worlds best players “dreaming” of playing for them. It’s easy to get signings when half the job is already done. Plus they’re in a league of two maybe 3 teams that are guaranteed CL every season.

 

[Dante]

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/virg...-£70m-upfront-with-southampton.434793/page-18

Have a read of that.

Both Maguire and VVD were 26. Both were at midtable clubs. Both were unproven at the top level.

VVD has obviously gone on to become a top player. But if you read through the linked thread, it was never close to a sure thing.

Maguire is obviously a different sort of profile. He's never going to become Rio-esque in the way that VVD has done. But he could become a lot like John Terry.

It's a gamble, but a gamble worth taking imo.

 

[Isotope]

Aye but one difference is that United don’t have most of the worlds best players “dreaming” of playing for them. It’s easy to get signings when half the job is already done. Plus they’re in a league of two maybe 3 teams that are guaranteed CL every season.

I can see your reasoning for world best players dreaming on Real Madrid.

But McGuire is not best player, and he plays for Leicester.

 

[Stookie]

I can see your reasoning for world best players dreaming on Real Madrid.

But McGuire is not best player, and he plays for Leicester.

I agree, but it would be easier no matter what level he was at if he’d come out and said ‘I dream of playing for United’ . This blows away all other challengers who want to sign him. Bit like Hazard who’s done it at Chelsea. Really, loads of teams should have been interested in a player of that quality but he nailed his colours to the mast ages ago and Madrid have had a troublefree transfer. I’m just saying it’s easier when players do this, and they seem to do it for Madrid a lot.

 

[jesperjaap]

None of your valuations matter one bit. It’s a sellers market.

Very true and premiership premiums of course, especially for English players. In terms of valuations for me, it is more a case of £80m is probably way higher than the price you would pay to buy a Romagnoli or Upamecano. I am not against signing Maguire, regardless of the fee, he improves our defence, should fit in quickly and he is a good defender......however forgetting Tuanzabe as we need to see how he develops, I actually think all of our current centre backs are very average at the absolute best, all of them have glaring weaknesses and none of there strengths are of a good enough quality to make up for those weaknesses, ideally I would like two new centre backs, but bar maybe a youngster such as a Godfrey which is also unlikely having Tuanzabe, I dont think Maguire is a top top defender that improves us enough in the middle, that I would rather be putting that money to an elite defender like those mentioned that personally I think can do. Otherwise in my mind, the only excellent outcome is Bailly steps up or Tuanzabe comes good as a great partner like Gomez did at Liverpool.
Maguire wouldnt be a mistake as a signing......the mistake would be giving Jones a new contract rather than shipping him out and finding a partner for Maguire

 

[Isotope]

None of your valuations matter one bit. It’s a sellers market.

None of our opinion matters on the price. It's a football forum.

 

[Bestietom]

If we want him then we have to pay the price for him.

 

[ScarleyUtd]

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/virgil-van-dijk-official-liverpool-agree-£75m-fee-£70m-upfront-with-southampton.434793/page-18

Have a read of that.

Both Maguire and VVD were 26. Both were at midtable clubs. Both were unproven at the top level.

VVD has obviously gone on to become a top player. But if you read through the linked thread, it was never close to a sure thing.

Maguire is obviously a different sort of profile. He's never going to become Rio-esque in the way that VVD has done. But he could become a lot like John Terry.

It's a gamble, but a gamble worth taking imo.

This

 

[RussellWilson]

Good video showing his strengths. It is mainly the acceleration that worries me, he's not too slow when he gets going.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

£16m Rojo, £30m Bailly, £31m plus £9m adds on Lindelof. We have spent £77m on centre back from LVG era to Jose era (not included adds on). And we still haven’t got ourselves a reliable one & a leader.

Leicester set on £80m but I think they will accept £70m with may be potential £4m or £5m adds on. I just don’t see how in any logic Leicester thinks he should cost more than Van Dijk £75m.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

Good video showing his strengths. It is mainly the acceleration that worries me, he's not too slow when he gets going.

Being slow isn’t the issue if the player knows how positioning himself.

Hummels is great on the ball but he’s very slow. Same with Maguire.

 

[Jimmy Skitz]

£16m Rojo, £30m Bailly, £31m plus £9m adds on Lindelof. We have spent £77m on centre back from LVG era to Jose era (not included adds on). And we still haven’t got ourselves a reliable one & a leader.

Leicester set on £80m but I think they will accept £70m with may be potential £4m or £5m adds on. I just don’t see how in any logic Leicester thinks he should cost more than Van Dijk £75m.

its called not wanting to sell and being pissed off at United briefing the media about Maguire for a second summer when they aren't prepared to stump up the cash, instead trying to get the player to cause a fuss

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

its called not wanting to sell and being pissed off at United briefing the media about Maguire for a second summer when they aren't prepared to stump up the cash, instead trying to get the player to cause a fuss

Southampton did the same thing so why Maguire has to be higher. Maguire is £50m at max for transfer valuation & I think it’s fair for an extra £20m worth for not wanting to sell and being pissed off at United.

 

[Mcking]

I love it how people rate and compare him to Liverpools VVD and not the Southampton one that so many people shat on..

If only I could bottle up the cafe's hindsight..

Even if you compare him to Southampton's Van Dijk, he is still grossly inferior. Van Dijk's transfer was ridiculed back then partly because spending that much on a CB was unprecedented. It is ludicurous that because Van Dijk turned out good, some are then using the transfer as justification for spending even more on a grossly inferior CB.

 

[manunited1919]

James and Maquire.. typical mid table team signings.. which is what we are I guess. Imagine Real rebulding the way we are..

Their fans would tear down the Bernabeu. Some of our fans, on the other hand, just lap it all up.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

http://www.redcafe.net/threads/virgil-van-dijk-official-liverpool-agree-£75m-fee-£70m-upfront-with-southampton.434793/page-18

Have a read of that.

Both Maguire and VVD were 26. Both were at midtable clubs. Both were unproven at the top level.

VVD has obviously gone on to become a top player. But if you read through the linked thread, it was never close to a sure thing.

Maguire is obviously a different sort of profile. He's never going to become Rio-esque in the way that VVD has done. But he could become a lot like John Terry.

It's a gamble, but a gamble worth taking imo.

A Manchester United forum is not the best place for unbiased opinions about a player Liverpool are about to sign.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Aye but one difference is that United don’t have most of the worlds best players “dreaming” of playing for them. It’s easy to get signings when half the job is already done. Plus they’re in a league of two maybe 3 teams that are guaranteed CL every season.

Players used to dream of playing for us and we used to have guaranteed CL every year too, until we turned shite and have done nothing to change that.

 

[Toad]

I was being rhetorical. I believe Koulibaly is valued at 14OM. Varane 200+. So there's no comparison with Maguire at 80+.

Those valuations are completely unrealistic. Maguires inflated price is due to him being English and from another Prem club.