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Jimmy Skitz said:
Mate stop saying arrogance, United’s transfer strategy is odd and poorly run but not arrogant.

I do think any bid in the last week of the window would be rejected however
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Respect your point but disagree with you on it. Your team stated they wanted this sorted out as soon a possible to give you enough time to get replacement. Have you got replacement lined up yet? If we wait until the last week to make a bid it would leave you a couple if days to get replacement in which I can't see you doing.

Also I'd I was you I wouldn't want to sell him at all. You had semi decent season leasy year and in my opinion are capable of qualifying for Europe this season.

Why would you want to sell your best players instead of keeping them and te5ing to build on last season?
 
Surely we can't go two (three?) whole windows failing to sign a CB despite the manager seeing it as a top priority? Can we? Ed??
 
Dahnsouff said:
That amount of arrogance required to rock up on deadline day and make an acceptable offer would be impressive, especially as nothing has been blocking an acceptable offer at all.

I expect Ed would get a very short response to such a ridiculous proposal.
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Making bid is bullying, trying to sign on deadline day is arrogance.

fecking hell, they should just close the transfer window.
 
FootyGirl88 said:
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So, basically we haven't made a second bid because we are too slow doing anything. Too slow making the first bid, too slow selling players. And now we're going to make a late late bid which is likely to be rejected as it's too late for Leicester to get a decent replacement and then too late for us to do anything else.

Get a DoF Woody.
 
Castia said:
Why do we need to? We simply left the negotiation table. If we commented on every transfer rumour we’d be releasing statements every 2 days.
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Haha sorry 89 is my birth year lol:
 
Likely more narcissistic posturing(the true character of twitter) but if not I could see Leicester regretting not taking the money. People might actually pay attention to Maguire this season, he was average last year and his price rocketed, but another year of similar performances will surely be noticed. People can't be that infatuated with his ball playing ability, to ignore his defensive shortcomings?

As for Utd, I think a DM added to AWB and a revitalized De Gea will make a huge difference to the defensive performance. Last year was dreadful but we have had decent defensive records with these players, and waiting for Maguire or a better option to reveal himself allows Tuanzebe a chance to establish himself, he might have the type of breakout season that guys like Bissaka, Alexander-Arnold and Gomez have had, potentially saving the club a great deal of money.

Midfield reinforcement is vital though, can't go into the season with an unproven McTominay, a dubiously committed Pogba, a quickly declining Matic and whatever Fred it as the midfield group. Weaker than the CB pool really.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
So, basically we haven't made a second bid because we are too slow doing anything. Too slow making the first bid, too slow selling players. And now we're going to make a late late bid which is likely to be rejected as it's too late for Leicester to get a decent replacement and then too late for us to do anything else.

Get a DoF Woody.
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It reads like he realises he's out of his depth but doesn't want to dilute his own power so will continue to fumble on attempting to learn from past mistakes until he's no longer going from one incompetent decision to the next.

Reassuring.
 
If we are not getting a CB, we must go for a CM and DM. Unfortunately, I have no belief in the board or owners to be capable of rationalising anything at the moment.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Surely we can't go two (three?) whole windows failing to sign a CB despite the manager seeing it as a top priority? Can we? Ed??
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As Woody said "We can do things in the transfer market that other clubs can only dream of. Watch this space." Like yearly fail to address the areas that clearly need improving :lol::wenger:
 
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Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Surely we can't go two (three?) whole windows failing to sign a CB despite the manager seeing it as a top priority? Can we? Ed??
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This would be so funny if it wasnt happening to us. We have been trying to sign Maguire for a year. Move on other targets if he's too expensive. All around shit show no way back for the Glazers if they dont buy a CB.
 
Drainy said:
It reads like he realises he's out of his depth but doesn't want to dilute his own power so will continue to fumble on attempting to learn from past mistakes until he's no longer going from one incompetent decision to the next.

Reassuring.
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Totally agree with the part in bold.

I don't think Woody is capable from learning from these mistakes as he has so much faith in his own football knowledge. Think he is just going to keep on making these mistakes, then pass the buck on if the season doesn't go as well as it should.
 
Bobski said:
Likely more narcissistic posturing(the true character of twitter) but if not I could see Leicester regretting not taking the money. People might actually pay attention to Maguire this season, he was average last year and his price rocketed, but another year of similar performances will surely be noticed. People can't be that infatuated with his ball playing ability, to ignore his defensive shortcomings?

As for Utd, I think a DM added to AWB and a revitalized De Gea will make a huge difference to the defensive performance. Last year was dreadful but we have had decent defensive records with these players, and waiting for Maguire or a better option to reveal himself allows Tuanzebe a chance to establish himself, he might have the type of breakout season that guys like Bissaka, Alexander-Arnold and Gomez have had, potentially saving the club a great deal of money.

Midfield reinforcement is vital though, can't go into the season with an unproven McTominay, a dubiously committed Pogba, a quickly declining Matic and whatever Fred it as the midfield group. Weaker than the CB pool really.
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I doubt very much we will regret not taking the money, if that's how it transpires, as we don't want to sell.

Regarding Harrys shortcomings, if he was that bad do you think he would still be a stalwart of the England defence playing badly for Leicester City?

Last season was disjointed and traumatic losing our beloved Chairman, the Puel disconnect and then the uplift and significant improvement in performance after Brendan was appointed.

Players playing with confidence and structure make it easier for defenders, Wilf screening ala Kante when he made Morgan and Huth look like world beaters etc.

We will hopefully see the very high quality,consistent Harry of the season before and if so don't be surprised if his stock and price tag go up further.
 
BlabyFox said:
I doubt very much we will regret not taking the money, if that's how it transpires, as we don't want to sell.

Regarding Harrys shortcomings, if he was that bad do you think he would still be a stalwart of the England defence playing badly for Leicester City?

Last season was disjointed and traumatic losing our beloved Chairman, the Puel disconnect and then the uplift and significant improvement in performance after Brendan was appointed.

Players playing with confidence and structure make it easier for defenders, Wilf screening ala Kante when he made Morgan and Huth look like world beaters etc.

We will hopefully see the very high quality,consistent Harry of the season before and if so don't be surprised if his stock and price tag go up further.
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I agree entirely with that, and Utd were as far from that as possible last year. The Utd defenders, CB's especially, are nowhere near as bad as some make out. An effective defensive screen in midfield and good coaching should allow capable performances from them, not title winning but enough to keep us afloat until a top class option is identified.

The England defensive unit is hardly exceptional and has consistently looked fragile, with Maguire the stalwart, in pressure games.
 
DoomSlayer said:
If we are not getting a CB, we must go for a CM and DM. Unfortunately, I have no belief in the board or owners to be capable of rationalising anything at the moment.
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I think CM and RW would improve us more than a CB anyway. All 3 would've been great. Expect none.
 
Once Lukaku is off to Inter, we’ll sign Maguire. That’s why United were so adamant the amount Inter has to pay upfront. We need most of it to give it to Leicester
 
TBH 90 mil for Maguire is insane. It would be acceptable for the hottest CB wonderkid in De Ligt, but not for maguire. Wonder what a young Rio Ferdinand would cost in todays market.
 
Shamana said:
TBH 90 mil for Maguire is insane. It would be acceptable for the hottest CB wonderkid in De Ligt, but not for maguire. Wonder what a young Rio Ferdinand would cost in todays market.
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£100-120m I'd say. Fees like £150m, £200m are still reserved for ready-made, global reputation WC players in mid-twenties.
 
Woodward is looking hilarious. Can’t get a cb? Get players for other positions ffs! It would be acceptable not to buy Maguire if we get an excellent RW and an excellent midfielder - as it still would be an upgrade over what we have
 
roonster09 said:
Making bid is bullying, trying to sign on deadline day is arrogance.

fecking hell, they should just close the transfer window.
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Please note that I did subsequently apologise for this statement. It was over the top, and I need to mind my manners on a "foreign" forum

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Alemar said:
Woodward is looking hilarious. Can’t get a cb? Get players for other positions ffs! It would be acceptable not to buy Maguire if we get an excellent RW and an excellent midfielder - as it still would be an upgrade over what we have
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Apparently Dunk and a few others are much cheaper @Alemar, probably better value, faster, positionally better, I'm sure Ed's on it and working his magic as I type this!
 
I'd like to believe "expert" is used as a noun in the title. It's more authoritive. When used as an adjective it becomes too sarcastic. We are expert fans. We're good at it. Only some are expert fans. They think they know everything.

Now, this was a pointless post. Yet, it is more substantial than 90% of all reports about Maguire.
 
Hammondo said:
That's not how buyout clauses work, they exist to allow the player to leave to a club they want.
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They clearly don't!! Unless that buyout clause is super low,
Name me a buyout clause that you know about that is low enough to be deemed 'allowing a player to leave a club'?
I can name one, that's it.
Take Griezmanns buyout, it was there to enable Athletico to recoup a hefty amount, not to allow Antoine a way out!!
 
Champ said:
They clearly don't!! Unless that buyout clause is super low,
Name me a buyout clause that you know about that is low enough to be deemed 'allowing a player to leave a club'?
I can name one, that's it.
Take Griezmanns buyout, it was there to enable Athletico to recoup a hefty amount, not to allow Antoine a way out!!
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Wouldn’t Rodri’s constitute as low enough in the current market?
 
gajender said:
That's not how buy out clauses work if DeLigt flops there is no way his release clause gets activated and protects his value, only reason this was inserted is to give De ligt assurance that he won't be priced out of a move in future while giving Juventus decent profit if he intends to leave subject to the fact he is a success at Juventus otherwise it's all moot.
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His release clause gets activates in three years, and is £135m, it's there to ensure Juve get value from him, to protect their asset.
If he flops in the first two seasons they can sell at a lower price, if he doesn't they have protected their value by inserting that clause, which is twice his current value. Decent business all round by Juve.
 
Champ said:
They clearly don't!! Unless that buyout clause is super low,
Name me a buyout clause that you know about that is low enough to be deemed 'allowing a player to leave a club'?
I can name one, that's it.
Take Griezmanns buyout, it was there to enable Athletico to recoup a hefty amount, not to allow Antoine a way out!!
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Rodri, Alderweireld, now De Ligt. Anyway the point of the buyout clause is to give more power to the player. So if the player finds a suitor willing to pay the buyout clause then the club can't stand in his way. Obviously, the contracts are drawn up so that the buyout clause satisfies both the club (usually what they value the player) and player.
 
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Champ said:
His release clause gets activates in three years, and is £135m, it's there to ensure Juve get value from him, to protect their asset.
If he flops in the first two seasons they can sell at a lower price, if he doesn't they have protected their value by inserting that clause, which is twice his current value. Decent business all round by Juve.
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If he flops release clause won't matter so we agree on that point and as per my understanding buyout clauses aren't mandatory in Italy so if they have inserted it, it must have been insisted upon by DeLigt side because it takes the decision of selling him out of Juventus hand if he performs and wants to leave there is not much Juve can do about it and there is already a limit to profit they can make on his transfer no matter how good he becomes or how inflated is market is 3years down the line.
 
Champ said:
They clearly don't!! Unless that buyout clause is super low,
Name me a buyout clause that you know about that is low enough to be deemed 'allowing a player to leave a club'?
I can name one, that's it.
Take Griezmanns buyout, it was there to enable Athletico to recoup a hefty amount, not to allow Antoine a way out!!
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The buyout clause for Griezmann allowed him to force the club to sell him, at a very undervalued amount. A buyout clause exists to allow a player to force selling him, nothing else.
 
Leicester is not gonna lower their valuation. There is no point of haggling the price now. If i was Ed i would just pay up. The key point here is that if we are confident enough he would be a success then we should act like a big club
 
Sell Pogba, get Maguire in linking up with Erikson, Erikson to James ---good times.
 
Just swap Pogba for Harry. Problem solved :)
(Stop, stop, stop, it was a joke...)
You would clearly need to add cash....
 
So to clarify, are we still bullying Leicester, or are they bullying us?
 
Dahnsouff said:
Seems only fair that we should take it in turns, no?
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I just wonder what he thinks about it all.
Either he's the most laid back character ever, or he must be a little frustrated by it all.

Vardy turned down a move to Arsenal, but I suppose that was after Leicester had just won the league, so slightly unusual circumstances.
 
Sandikan said:
So to clarify, are we still bullying Leicester, or are they bullying us?
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The poor lad Harry is being forced to play with them every day. Having to hear Brenda talking about character and the time when he almost won the league. Most likely being told he should play more like Skrtel and to start by shaving his head. We are trying to free him and big bully Rodgers is holding him hostage and the king pow.

#freeHarry
 
No one from the Leicester side, apart from the odd ITK or total bullsh*tter believes they have any idea what’s going on. The rhetoric has remained consistent, as is the media push for him to move, But is just click-bait nonsense, as always with the media.
Surely something will happen this week?? Please! Just come to a conclusion one way or another.
 
Amarsdd said:
Rodri, Alderweireld, now De Ligt. Anyway the point of the buyout clause is to give more power to the player. So if the player finds a suitor willing to pay the buyout clause then the club can't stand in his way. Obviously, the contracts are drawn up so that the buyout clause satisfies both the club (usually what they value the player) and player.
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I agree with you here with regards to a buyout clause satisfying both club and player.
A club does not have to agree to a low buyout clause, most buyout clauses are realistic but generally on the higher level of value.
A club believes the buyout clause suits them whilst giving the player a way out if the buyout clause is met.
De Ligts buyout clause is twice what Juve paid for him, which is massive, £135m is ridiculous really, difficult to see how that supports the player getting a way out as its so hard to say how the market will go, considering every club seems to be watching their wallets more this season.
 
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