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Yeah it was - I would say he was better than anything Smalling or Jones have done in a Utd shirt that season - but it's just my opinion. Clearly any talk of Evans being a good player opens you to ridicule here but that's how I see it.
Dont know why people don't get it.
Question is simple
- if not Maguire, name one CB whom we can realistically sign ?
- if no Maguire, we might not sign anyone. Would that be okay with you?
Don't respond and say the likes of Toby,KK, Varane, De ligt are better options. We discussed them to death why that will not happen.
Question is simple
- if not Maguire, name one CB whom we can realistically sign ?
- if no Maguire, we might not sign anyone. Would that be okay with you?
Don't respond and say the likes of Toby,KK, Varane, De ligt are better options. We discussed them to death why that will not happen.
re Lindelof, I keep hearing how great he is on the ball. I have to admit I haven't seen it from him in an Utd shirt. He doesn't fall to pieces like Smalling when the ball is played near him, but that doesn't qualify you as being great on the ball. Are people going off previous experiences of him playing in Portugal or for Sweden. He has took his time settling and he may well become better on the ball but to date we haven't seen much in that regard.
I prefer to think of CBs in terms of type rather than just ranking them from best to worst, and it seems to me that Maguire is a good signing because he resolves the issue we've had ever since Ferdinand started to age out: that Smalling is our best defender in certain respects - physical presence, aerial defending, pace, reading of the game (when he's in form) - but also noticeably our weakest in others - in possession, passing, and his inability to jockey without using his hands. Manager after manager has felt unable to leave him out or actively seek to replace him, but also can't fix the problems he introduces. His one really great season, under Van Gaal, was characterised by us dominating possession in most games, reducing the amount of defending against set pieces he had to do, and a partner who was as much a midfielder as a defender and compensated effectively for Smalling's weakness in possession.
Maguire ticks Smalling's strengths boxes but doesn't introduce the same weaknesses. He's a physical presence, an effective aerial defender, and a good reader of the game. But he's also comfortable on the ball, an effective passer, and not a shirt-grabber. If we get him, we should consider Smalling basically replaced. Maguire and Lindelof are then a clear first-choice partnership, with Bailly offering competition and Tuanzebe the youngster to blood and try out. Jones is over-discussed on here - a player who is never available isn't relevant and his actual ability is moot.
Maguire ticks Smalling's strengths boxes but doesn't introduce the same weaknesses. He's a physical presence, an effective aerial defender, and a good reader of the game. But he's also comfortable on the ball, an effective passer, and not a shirt-grabber. If we get him, we should consider Smalling basically replaced. Maguire and Lindelof are then a clear first-choice partnership, with Bailly offering competition and Tuanzebe the youngster to blood and try out. Jones is over-discussed on here - a player who is never available isn't relevant and his actual ability is moot.
I doubt theres a person on the planet past or present who is capable of making Phil Jones injury free. We've had 5 managers and 5 different coaching teams that have tried and all have failed.
Outside of De Ligt and Koulibaly, is there a CB out there that would not cause a meltdown on this site if we signed him.
Go through any other CBs and people on here would be losing their heads over the littlest thing.
Cracks me up, get him signed and move onto the midfield.
Go through any other CBs and people on here would be losing their heads over the littlest thing.
Cracks me up, get him signed and move onto the midfield.
I think this is a good post and I'd agree - I think Maguire will be very good for you guys and at 26 is coming into his best years - he is decent on the ball and a solid defender. It's a no brainer signing for you guys - the only issue is the fee really but fees are generally mental at the moment.
It's more to do with his distribution and how comfortable he is on the ball.
I will let you off sir. And admit the maguire hasn't signed madness has taken over.
(While still not liking evans but accepting others did)
This! So many people are so quick to shoot down anyone with an opinion without refusing to give any alternatives.
The only one who would be realistic for me is Dias at Benfica which would be a huge risk, all very similar to when we signed Lindelof who had a stellar season in Portugal then needed a year to adjust, would most likely be the same with Dias whereas Maguire comes in improves us greatly and hits the ground running.
Not sure I can think of a player who will be so disliked on the Caf right after he signs.
The match day thread will be ugly when he his first wobbly.
The match day thread will be ugly when he his first wobbly.
Be prepared to be bombarded with names of wonder kids from Football Manager or Fifa whom they have not watched play much but always sign on their video games.
It's not the player its the price. Dont know how you can be happy when we are linked with 85-90m for this guy. A huge chunk out of our budget for an okay defender just because "there isnt anyone else atm"
Good man.
you should be looking at your Sports Science and medical teams then
Yes, Phil Jones is criminally underrated, people just keep going on about injury that happened over two years ago, and his performance in 2019 has been constantly good, much better then Maguires performance in 2019.
Nobody is happy with the price but at the end of the day who cares?
Nobody was happy with 75M VVD but he soon shut everybody up. It's up to Maguire to do that too.
We aren't paying for it so why does it matter whether we pay 10-20m extra than we'd like to?
Bless you. You're the dream fan for the Glazers.
Price is mental but being an English club you are not going to get a top class CB for anything less unless you unearth a gem.
It is probably 15M over his actual value and by all accounts 20M are in add ons if certain criteria is met, so initially we are paying 60M which I am happy with.
At Madrid have just paid 120M for a kid who has had one good season in Portugal, am I happy that we are signing a CB who ticks just about every box we need? Yes.
If we wait 12 months, have another year with Rojo, Jones & Smalling and then next year when yet again prices hike up, we will be paying 100M for someone of his quality, if there are any available, so what do we do then, continue the cycle and wait until the summer after in the hope that someone sells us a world class CB for 50/60M? Not going to happen.
What world class CBs are available this summer or even potentially next summer for under 70M that we could get ahead of the likes of City and the big boys?
Day 50 of this saga “Phil Jones is better than Maguire.”
Never change caf.
No doubt someone is gonna Rampage in here with some marvellously skewed whoscored shit to back it up
I doubt even Phil Jones thinks he's better than Maguire.
Not sure I can think of a player who will be so disliked on the Caf right after he signs.
The match day thread will be ugly when he his first wobbly.
Think he will be well liked here and at OT (if he signs that is)
I’m afraid not.
I think there will be droves of posters itching to jump on his back , party due to his price tag (evidently not his fault at all) and also due to his association with Gareth Southgates 2018 World Cup run.
I think Jones is better than the rep he gets here but that is bananas.
So the moment we are close to signing Macguire, the perception of some has changed to Evans>Macguire. 
I actually love itSo the moment we are close to signing Macguire, the perception of some has changed to Evans>Macguire.
Its so predictable too
Sorry but Jones is not better at anything. The bloke has been here for 6 seasons and all he has been doing is either get injured or make stupid mistakes. He has developed 0 quality to his skills. Still the same rash defender. All he is doing here is blocking a place. If the board were more ruthless they would have sold him by now and not rewarded him with another contract.
People are just scared to speak out as you get 20 people laughing at you if you mentions that Phil Jones is actually a good defender.
I don't think we should be spending any record fees unless the players are 'last piece of the puzzle' types.
Maguire looks like he will be a good CB for us, but the setup doesn't look right for him yet. We still don't have a mobile DM for protection, and our attack is still not upgraded meaning our defence will be under pressure to keep clean sheets every single game.
If we don't fix those issues (and a few more), then the fee may end up being a waste as the player wasn't put in the right conditions to succeed in the first place. If you need an example, just look at Pogba (or many other talented players in our team tbh).
Maguire looks like he will be a good CB for us, but the setup doesn't look right for him yet. We still don't have a mobile DM for protection, and our attack is still not upgraded meaning our defence will be under pressure to keep clean sheets every single game.
If we don't fix those issues (and a few more), then the fee may end up being a waste as the player wasn't put in the right conditions to succeed in the first place. If you need an example, just look at Pogba (or many other talented players in our team tbh).
Phil Jones could as great as Varane and he would still be unproductive because of his injuries.
We simply need someone who can be available for selection almost entire season to keep defense in one shape and that's basically the point of signing Maguire.
We simply need someone who can be available for selection almost entire season to keep defense in one shape and that's basically the point of signing Maguire.
Jones in his top form is similar to Maguire, i rememeber he had a run of matches where he looked dominant before he got injured again. I am sure that once Maguire makes a few mistakes we will see the comparisons again.
he's so good half this thread is made up of posts suggesting offering him to us in part exchange because you can't get rid of him
We (Man United) does not want to get rid of Phil Jones.
half the pogba thread is made up of posts wanting rid of him, means nothing in respect to his ability. Most of us are simply tired of the memes
The other thing that people are forgetting is that Maguire is a leader. He’s expensive but he ticks all the boxes.
Agreed. Improving on Matic and Young decreases the amount of goals we concede this coming season.
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