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Some of those 53 was due to playing Young at RB, so we have already improved our defense massively by signing AWB. Also, many of those 53 goals came due to a midfielder mistake and Matic’s lack of mobility. Maguire won’t improve us if midfield provides no protection. Midfield is where we most need to spend.

Actually Young was increasingly frustrating in attack, but defensively our most solid back option by far last year. Even in his worst games, his defensive positioning and salvaging runs were better than Shaw’s, and his one-on-one defending almost at Shaw’s level. He became a defensive liability in increasingly losing the ball in dangerous phases though.

I’d still say, defensively, the crux of Freds/Matic’s inability to cover for Pogba’s and Martial’s inadequacies was a lot more harmful, and also lack of confidence/discipline in the team as a whole, including De Gea.

We lack the level of CB’s able to fix everything when the rest faltered, like prime Ferdinand/Vidic might have done, but IMO even they would have been made to look bad in last years set up (barring that December-February spell).
 
Evans is better than Maguire though, according to Leicester fans and WhoScored stats. Realistically should we try to sign back Evans instead?

Hang on hang on...they might say Evans had a better season. But surely no right minded leicester fan actually thinks he's better.

Itd be like saying mctom is better than pogba because he's played more to his potential than pog
 
Hang on hang on...they might say Evans had a better season. But surely no right minded leicester fan actually thinks he's better.

Itd be like saying mctom is better than pogba because he's played more to his potential than pog
no, we don't Harry had a 6 week knee injury and very little rest and his level wasn't that much lower than Evans last season, Evans is getting a lot of praise because he managed to get Wes Morgan to look semi competent for 6 weeks
 
Hang on hang on...they might say Evans had a better season. But surely no right minded leicester fan actually thinks he's better.

Itd be like saying mctom is better than pogba because he's played more to his potential than pog

Maguire has had 2 seasons in Leicester, and one of them (the recent one) Evans is better. I don't see why Evans can't be regarded as better.
 
They should be looking at up-and-coming defenders that could make it to world class level like Konaté rather than resting on their laurels and then jumping for one of the most well known and expensive options available who in all honesty isn't worth anywhere near £80 million. This has been our downfall over the past few years. Our transfer strategy stinks.

By your own admission our transfer strategy stinks but you suggest we keep doing what we have been doing all along? We have been buying up and coming young talented defenders with potential like Konate. We tried that with Rojo, Bailly and Lindelhof. It has not worked for us. Now we are breaking from our usual strategy by attempting to sign a CB in his prime who is PL proven.

You may dislike Maguire but if this signing happens it is a clear break from our previous transfer strategy with regards to CB's
 
Maguire has had 2 seasons in Leicester, and one of them (the recent one) Evans is better. I don't see why Evans can't be regarded as better.

Because we have seen a lot of Evans here, at WBA and at Leicester and for most of his career he has been significantly worse than Smalling and Jones. Maybe last year was a breakthrough but he simply was not good enough when he was here.
 
Lindelof is better than Maguire. Maguire is hugely overrated. He is good defender and that is it. Instead of paying this ridiculous fee for solid defender we should spend that money on Skriniar or Koulibaly. They are twice better than Maguire. And they would add extra quality in our defence.
80 mil for Maguire is laughable

Out of interest, how many full games have you actually watched Koulibaly, Skrniar and Maguire? Along with our own? Unless you're watching Leicester, Man United, Inter and Napoli on a regular basis, I'm not sure how you can really say that.

What tends to happen is people watch domestic games on and off in addition to their own team and then highlights, fifa, football manager, Internet hype and the odd game in the champions league form the basis of opinions on foreign players. Seeing less of a player makes it much easier to hype them, we focus far more on negatives than we do positives and so mistakes here and there we catch on match of the day really stand out. If Skrniar makes a blunder against Sampdoria though, I'm assuming a good portion of those who follow the Premier league don't see it.

Of course, you may genuinely watch them all frequently but twice better seems slightly hyperbolic to me.
 
Hang on hang on...they might say Evans had a better season. But surely no right minded leicester fan actually thinks he's better.

Itd be like saying mctom is better than pogba because he's played more to his potential than pog
Evans could certainly be seen as better - if he had a better season then why not? Evans is a very experienced and talented defender and a big part of the reason Leicester have done so well in the last year or so.

For clarification I see this more of an underrating of Evans rather than me dissing Maguire who I like and think will be a good signing for you guys if he moves.
 
Because we have seen a lot of Evans here, at WBA and at Leicester and for most of his career he has been significantly worse than Smalling and Jones. Maybe last year was a breakthrough but he simply was not good enough when he was here.

That is simply not true - Evans had one really bad season when his confidence was shot and that has tarnished him in the eyes of Utd fans - at his best he is considerably better than both Smalling and Jones. He was WBA's best player when he was there and has been very good for Leicester also.
 
That is simply not true - Evans had one really bad season when his confidence was shot and that has tarnished him in the eyes of Utd fans - at his best he is considerably better than both Smalling and Jones. He was WBA's best player when he was there and has been very good for Leicester also.

In a lot of people's eyes it seems you are world class or trash, there's no middle ground.
 
Is he? what constitutes as being one of the best? Top 10? Because you could easily argue that there are 10 CBS in the league that are better then him...

VVD
Gomez
Laporte
Otamendi
Rudiger
Verthongen
Alderwiereld
Sanchez
Linedlof (arguable)
Matip (arguable)
Luiz (arguable)
Stones (arguable)

You'd probably find people who would also argue that people like Boly, Diop, Will Keane, Sakho etc. are just as good.


Apart from VVD and Laporte I would have Maguire ahead of anyone else you named on that list . People can have opinions and argue anyone is better than any other but some of the names mentioned to be as good as Maguire are simply laughable
 
Just something to add to this debate about Maguire. Pretty much every Utd fan to a man agree's we need a top class CB. Why can't we sign player X, Player Y etc. Two issues at present, are those players attainable? Being in the Europa league probably not.

The other issue is everyone is going crazy mental about how astute Juventus are in the transfer market. Not as astute as it looks. Italy has new laws or more to the point relaxed laws from this season around foreign talent and the amount of tax they pay. This now gives them parity with La Liga. So if we wanted to match Juve to the signing of De Ligt, we would have to pay significantly more in wages than Juve just so he nets the same £xxx per week. As a foreign footballer, the UK is probably one of the worst places to come right now from a financial point of view.

Maguire is probably one of the most attainable targets given our relative position amongst the European superpowers and their financial muscle
 
That is simply not true - Evans had one really bad season when his confidence was shot and that has tarnished him in the eyes of Utd fans - at his best he is considerably better than both Smalling and Jones. He was WBA's best player when he was there and has been very good for Leicester also.

Unless you're a closet United fan and have seen as much of him as we did then I'm not sure how you can say it's not true. I'm also interested in what you consider to be his really bad season? Was it the one where he was part of the LVG side that lost 4-0 to MK Dons or the one a few years before when he was part of the SAF side that lost 4-0 to West Ham when Carlton Cole completely dominated him?

Evans best season in a United shirt was his very first when he was paired with Rio for long periods
 
He's not the best in the world, not even the best in the prem but he's a very solid CB who's a massive upgrade on what we have. I genuinely can't see the negatives with this signing if it actually happens. I can see him becoming a club favourite.
 
That is simply not true - Evans had one really bad season when his confidence was shot and that has tarnished him in the eyes of Utd fans - at his best he is considerably better than both Smalling and Jones. He was WBA's best player when he was there and has been very good for Leicester also.

This is breathtaking arrogance to argue with united fans who watched him every game.

He did alright when flanked by all time premier league greats but always had a major ricket in him. Average in aerial ability and not particularly quick i couldn't ever see what he offered and for years hated seeing him in the lineup.
His last 18months or so were utterly dreadful.

He's certainly not anywhere near better than maguire or chances are better teams would be all over him.
There's a major reason he was shipped out instead of our other centre backs of the time too.
 
Unless you're a closet United fan and have seen as much of him as we did then I'm not sure how you can say it's not true. I'm also interested in what you consider to be his really bad season? Was it the one where he was part of the LVG side that lost 4-0 to MK Dons or the one a few years before when he was part of the SAF side that lost 4-0 to West Ham when Carlton Cole completely dominated him?

Evans best season in a United shirt was his very first when he was paired with Rio for long periods

I'm a Northern Ireland fan so I've watched every game he has played for us since he was a kid and also have paid special attention to him through-out his club career with Utd and beyond - as a result I reckon I've seen a lot more of him than you have since he left Utd. Picking out 2 awful matches doesn't really prove anything other than he had 2 poor matches. He is a very good player and underrated on this forum for obvious reasons.
 
Unless you're a closet United fan and have seen as much of him as we did then I'm not sure how you can say it's not true. I'm also interested in what you consider to be his really bad season? Was it the one where he was part of the LVG side that lost 4-0 to MK Dons or the one a few years before when he was part of the SAF side that lost 4-0 to West Ham when Carlton Cole completely dominated him?

Evans best season in a United shirt was his very first when he was paired with Rio for long periods


surely his best season was when he was filling in for Rio and we went on that record breaking clean sheet run in 2009. He was immense next to Vidic during that run.He lacked physicality, no doubt about that but that's why he and Vidic complimented each other so well. Evans in full form was very good on the ball, which complimented Vidic as he wasn't so comfortable.
 
This is breathtaking arrogance to argue with united fans who watched him every game.

He did alright when flanked by all time premier league greats but always had a major ricket in him. Average in aerial ability and not particularly quick i couldn't ever see what he offered and for years hated seeing him in the lineup.
His last 18months or so were utterly dreadful.

He's certainly not anywhere near better than maguire or chances are better teams would be all over him.
There's a major reason he was shipped out instead of our other centre backs of the time too.

I watched most games he played for Utd. If you honestly feel the need to call somebody arrogant because they have a different opinion than you on a player then I don't really know what to say.

Also I encourage you to read my posts again - I didn't say he was better than Maguire - I said that it could be argued that he was due to him generally having a better season and that it wouldn't be ridiculous that Leicester fans might rate him highly.
 
I watched most games he played for Utd. If you honestly feel the need to call somebody arrogant because they have a different opinion than you on a player then I don't really know what to say.

You watched 100s of games he played for united did you? Then it's more astounding you think he's some sort of quality act.
 
You watched 100s of games he played for united did you? Then it's more astounding you think he's some sort of quality act.

I watched a lot of them yeah. Why wouldn't I? Utd are my second team in the league due to the Irish connection and when there is a young Northern Irish player in the first team I will tend to try and watch more of their games. You really do pick the strangest things to attack me on. I have also pointed out that I have watched him a lot outside of Utd - something I doubt you have. Hense why you judge him so poorly.
 
tough one this.....

at the fee being paid Maguire has to be a success....a major one. He will tick boxes for us in terms of age, aerial ability and passing. Is that lack of pace going to stop him being that top quality defender we need?

we need someone to come in and have the impact on our defence that Van Dijk had at Liverpool - we need a leader and a top quality defender

we cant afford to blow this kind of money and be in a position where we look at Maguire and think we can improve upon him in a years time

Liverpool deserved credit for not panicking when they chased Van Dijk and waited for the right player (granted they only waited until January)

Is Harry our prime target or is he the best we can get right now? if the answer is the latter I'd be inclined to take a step back
 
Why? so the fans can start moaning that Woodward hasn't done anything and Glazers aren't spending?

Jesus Christ some fans just are never happy.

  • Because this is highway robbery.
  • Because we have limited funds for signing players.
  • Because those funds invested in the midfield will get us better protection for our defense than Matic or Fred.
 
That is simply not true - Evans had one really bad season when his confidence was shot and that has tarnished him in the eyes of Utd fans - at his best he is considerably better than both Smalling and Jones. He was WBA's best player when he was there and has been very good for Leicester also.
He isn't better than Smalling and Jones. While I agree he is underrated, he was never a elite CB. Definitely we should have kept him rather than signing Rojo or Bailey but it shows how badly we were doing the transfers.
 
I watched a lot of them yeah. Why wouldn't I? Utd are my second team in the league due to the Irish connection and when there is a young Northern Irish player in the first team I will tend to try and watch more of their games. You really do pick the strangest things to attack me on. I have also pointed out that I have watched him a lot outside of Utd - something I doubt you have. Hense why you judge him so poorly.

Surely they played the same time as tottenham for a massive portion of those games? Unless you watch united in preference?

Evans was here about 7-8 years. Plenty of time to get a balanced view.
You say yourself you didn't say he's better than maguire, which was my original amazement that anyone could think so.
 
Unless you're a closet United fan and have seen as much of him as we did then I'm not sure how you can say it's not true. I'm also interested in what you consider to be his really bad season? Was it the one where he was part of the LVG side that lost 4-0 to MK Dons or the one a few years before when he was part of the SAF side that lost 4-0 to West Ham when Carlton Cole completely dominated him?

Evans best season in a United shirt was his very first when he was paired with Rio for long periods
Disagree, he had his best spell with Vidic though I cannot recall the timeline.

The MK Dons match was a shambles for anyone

So Carlton Cole dominated him? So what? Duncan Ferguson used to dominate Bruce AND pallister everytime without fail.
Or if you’re going to take 1 match samples how about when Evans dominated peak Pogba v Chelsea?

Anyways this is probably a discussion for a different thread. Back to Maguire. Good enough? Resounding yes imho

Overpriced? Yes

Do I care? No

We either find a compromise with LCFC or we go into a new season with a serious lack of quality at CB
 
I watched a lot of them yeah. Why wouldn't I? Utd are my second team in the league due to the Irish connection and when there is a young Northern Irish player in the first team I will tend to try and watch more of their games. You really do pick the strangest things to attack me on. I have also pointed out that I have watched him a lot outside of Utd - something I doubt you have. Hense why you judge him so poorly.

:lol:
 
surely his best season was when he was filling in for Rio and we went on that record breaking clean sheet run in 2009. He was immense next to Vidic during that run.He lacked physicality, no doubt about that but that's why he and Vidic complimented each other so well. Evans in full form was very good on the ball, which complimented Vidic as he wasn't so comfortable.

I thought that was the season I was on about? I distinctly remember the game in Milan and he was with Rio that night
 
Completely agree. If he was Italian and had shown similar form in Serie A or the Bundesliga over the last 3/4 seasons, people on here would be demanding we sign him what ever it cost.
Italian defenders are shite, this isnt the 90s anymore
 
Evans found his level. He was great on loan at Sunderland and was great when he left United to play for "lesser' clubs. We were a step too soon and too much for him. He was like a deer in headlights for most of his time at United. Phil Jones had more great games than Evans when they were both here.

Maguire is a step up from very CB we have including Lindelof. One of the most important attributes of a great CB is aerial ability and Lindelof is sadly lacking. He also does not have the aggression of Eric Bailly. Great on the ball though but we need Maguire.
 
Surely they played the same time as tottenham for a massive portion of those games? Unless you watch united in preference?

Evans was here about 7-8 years. Plenty of time to get a balanced view.
You say yourself you didn't say he's better than maguire, which was my original amazement that anyone could think so.

He played just over 100 games for Utd - I'd say I probably watched around 40 of those (ok so perhaps I didnt see 'most' of them) - I have watched every single game for NI though which is 80 games and he has generally been superb - I also watched a ton of WBA games because half the NI team played for them when Evans was there.
 
If you read reports, it's all a load of tosh and nothing has been agreed. But all this messing and 'is he, isn't he coming' could mean missing out on Fernandes (if there really was any intention/truth behind the rumours) Farcical really, but expected nothing more!
You're blaming the club because the media can't make up their minds?
 
He played just over 100 games for Utd - I'd say I probably watched around 40 of those (ok so perhaps I didnt see 'most' of them) - I have watched every single game for NI though which is 80 games and he has generally been superb - I also watched a ton of WBA games because half the NI team played for them when Evans was there.

He didn't play just over 100 games, he played nearly 200 games for ManUtd and 7 seasons.
 
surely his best season was when he was filling in for Rio and we went on that record breaking clean sheet run in 2009. He was immense next to Vidic during that run.He lacked physicality, no doubt about that but that's why he and Vidic complimented each other so well. Evans in full form was very good on the ball, which complimented Vidic as he wasn't so comfortable.
Spot on fella. You’re on the money, ON THE MONEY
 
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