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Mustafi at 10 was a joke you melons :lol:

I had trouble picking number 10 so I went with a random nobody. Because fun.

What is with the underrating of Stones, though? He's clearly a top centre back who would undoubtedly propel our backline a level or two. Most certainly top 10 in the PL.
 
Redcy said:
So in the mould of all the best caf pundits I went to google and asked google who are the best defenders in the world at the moment and it took me to a list of FIFA 19 players.

Young players:

Vallejo, Nordi Mukiele, Issa Diop, Upecamano

Top Defenders:

Sergio Ramos
Diego Godin
Mats Hummels
Giorgio Chiellini
Thiago Silva
Samuel Umtiti
Kalidou Koulibaly
Jan Vertonghen
Gerard Pique
Raphael Varane
Nicolas Otamendi
Azpilicueta
Leonardo Bonucci
Jerome Boateng
Mehdi Benatia
Naldo
Milan Skriniar
Virgil van Dijk
Kostas Manolas
Toby Alderweireld
Miranda
Vincent Kompany
Pepe

Scouting done over to you United.
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Ramos, Godin, Humms, Chiellini, Veryonghrn, Pique, Bonucci, Kompany (player/ manger!) and Pepe are all too old. That’s half your list.

Let’s take out VVD, Varane and Otamemdi off the list as they are clearly not available to Utd. Azpilicueta is a full back, and we are obviously not interested in Alderweireld. Umtiti and Boateng are injury prone and have not played enough in the past last 2 years, no thanks.

Doesn’t really leave much does it?!
 
Random Task said:
Mustafi at 10 was a joke you melons :lol:

I had trouble picking number 10 so I went with a random nobody. Because fun.

What is with the underrating of Stones, though? He's clearly a top centre back who would undoubtedly propel our backline a level or two. Most certainly top 10 in the PL.
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That’s an easy comparison to make to Maguire - perhaps the easiest of them all. They both play for England, and I’ve never seen Stones be the better player, Maguire performs much better than Stones does.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Listening to that Duncan Castles pod cast he fairly does a number on us. Says top European clubs are laughing at us and the fees we have supposedly offered for this deal.
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If Harry Maguire hires Jorge Mendes as his agent, Castles will spend an entire podcast describing Maguire as "the next Maldini". The guy is shameless slime.
 
roonster09 said:
Slow players can play high line. Pique played all his career in very high line and he isn't fast CB. Plenty of CBs from the league alone. You need anticipation and positioning, most cases CBs dont even deal 1v1.
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To be fair Pique is somewhat of an exceptional case in that system. However with Maguire’s over aggressiveness, poor positioning, slow on the turn as well as being moderately fast in a sprint doesn’t really lend itself to the defensive components to play in a high line. Especially with someone like Matic infront of you (supposedly) protecting you.

Will be interesting to see how we play and how he does as I think he’d be better suited to playing in a low block than pushing high.
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Listening to that Duncan Castles pod cast he fairly does a number on us. Says top European clubs are laughing at us and the fees we have supposedly offered for this deal.
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This Castles fella just spent the last year slating us for not backing Jose because wait for it, we didn't pay the 70m for Maguire
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Gomez is brilliant. He's better already and will only get better (annoyingly) in my opinion.

Anyway, it's obviously all opinions, but i don't think anyone arguing Rudiger, Sanchez, Matip or Luiz can be dismissed, or Stones for that matter - as in an England shirt they've looked about as good/bad as each other for the most part.
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I agree Gomez is really good, but you can't call him better yet, given that he gets injured frequently and has a lot of growing to do.
Stones I strongly disagree with. In an England shirt I'd say Maguire is far more reliable and the main defender, while Stones makes mistake after mistake. Also with City being interested in Maguire themselves (but ultimately not wanting to pay the price) shows that Pep would also rate him above their other CBs after Laporte.
Davinson Sanchez also I just disagree with strongly. He's a good young CB, but he's 3rd choice for Spurs and hasn't had the responsibility of being that main centerback who plays every game. Jones and Smalling looked brilliant in bit part roles back in the day too. Maguire is more dominant in the air and is better on the ball and bringing the ball out of the back/passing it around as well. It's his ability on the ball along with the aerial/physical dominance that puts Maguire up there. Matip is solid, but Van Dijk makes him look better than he is IMO (wasn't exactly a brilliant CB before VVD). David Luiz also is just one who I never rated. He's really good on the ball but is just reckless as a defender and his positioning has never been good. All opinions though.
If we split it up in tiers, I'd have Van Dijk on a tier of his own, Laporte, Vertonghen and Alderweireld in tier 2 and then Maguire top of tier 3 with Rudiger probably, but potential to go up to tier 2. We'll see though, think he'll surprise a lot of us this season and really take to being at a bigger club (when he joins).
 
I randomly read a piece where apparent Stones is the rock of City's side and has proved everybody wrong.
Greck said:
This Castles fella just spent the last year slating us for not backing Jose because wait for it, we didn't pay the 70m for Maguire
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Cognitive dissonance with an agenda, from Castles? surely not
 
Andersons Dietician said:
To be fair Pique is somewhat of an exceptional case in that system. However with Maguire’s over aggressiveness, poor positioning, slow on the turn as well as being moderately fast in a sprint doesn’t really lend itself to the defensive components to play in a high line. Especially with someone like Matic infront of you (supposedly) protecting you.

Will be interesting to see how we play and how he does as I think he’d be better suited to playing in a low block than pushing high.
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Pique is not the only one, Toby and Vertonghen are not fast players. Maguire himself played in high line for Leicester.
 
Judas said:
He might not be "top tier", but no "top tier" defender is signing for us. He's comfortably one of the best in the league, and will improve us instantly.
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Is he actually though? Personally I just don't see it. What is he so good at because for me he's a dependable PL level CB who is English and played in our over hyped WC run (we lost as soon as played a good team) and otherwise has been solid for Leicester. People rave on here about aerial ability but Smalling is arguably just as good as him in that department and is much more athletic/faster. He's decent (for a CB) on the ball but let's not pretend he's Rio reborn, I just feel the caf's desire for a CB and the fact he's English has led to us to hugely overrate a player who might actually weaken us overall if paired with another slower CB in Lindelof.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Is he actually though? Personally I just don't see it. What is he so good at because for me he's a dependable PL level CB who is English and played in our over hyped WC run (we lost as soon as played a good team) and otherwise has been solid for Leicester. People rave on here about aerial ability but Smalling is arguably just as good as him in that department and is much more athletic/faster. He's decent (for a CB) on the ball but let's not pretend he's Rio reborn, I just feel the caf's desire for a CB and the fact he's English has led to us to hugely overrate a player who might actually weaken us overall if paired with another slower CB in Lindelof.
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He is one of the best in the league, does that mean much? Probably not, but it does offer an insight to what the problem is, i.e. finding a quality CB who we can guarantee will be better than what we have. This is what happens when you feck up your transfer policy. People asking why our scouts cannot find better players are forgetting our scouts presumably identified Bailly, Lindelof, etc, not overly inspiring
 
Andersons Dietician said:
Listening to that Duncan Castles pod cast he fairly does a number on us. Says top European clubs are laughing at us and the fees we have supposedly offered for this deal.
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Barca spent £200m on a couple of players they're happy to get rid of a year later and people were applauding those moves. Athletico just dropped £110m on a rookie from the Portuguese league who stank out the joint in his Nations League final game.

Moves can't be adequately judged at point of purchase.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Barca spent £200m on a couple of players they're happy to get rid of a year later and people were applauding those moves. Athletico just dropped £110m on a rookie from the Portuguese league who stank out the joint in his Nations League final game.

Moves can't be adequately judged at point of purchase.
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Bayern also paid 80 million for Lucas Hernandez who wasnt regular player for Atletico, had big injury. It's Duncan, he is just a bitter guy.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Is he actually though? Personally I just don't see it. What is he so good at because for me he's a dependable PL level CB who is English and played in our over hyped WC run (we lost as soon as played a good team) and otherwise has been solid for Leicester. People rave on here about aerial ability but Smalling is arguably just as good as him in that department and is much more athletic/faster. He's decent (for a CB) on the ball but let's not pretend he's Rio reborn, I just feel the caf's desire for a CB and the fact he's English has led to us to hugely overrate a player who might actually weaken us overall if paired with another slower CB in Lindelof.
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Lindelof is "decent" on the ball for a centre back.
Maguire is a lot more than decent.

And he's more of a threat in the opposition box than smalling whatever stats might say. Every single set piece when maguire is in the team becomes a hope. Whereas Smalling is simply not much threat in their box.

However id much prefer Smalling to partner Maguire for the pace element.
 
roonster09 said:
Pique is not the only one, Toby and Vertonghen are not fast players. Maguire himself played in high line for Leicester.
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And he has been found out by pacy players often. Its an issue but with one of Bailey,Smalling or Axel we can handle it.
 
We conceded 53 goals last season. 53. I honestly dont care if United pay 90m, just sign a decent CB. We'll be overly reliant on Wan Bissaka trying to salvage Jones/Smalling's mistakes.
 
Random Task said:
Opinions, opinions.

My top ten would be as follows.

1. VVD
2. Laporte
3. Vertonghen
4. Rudiger
5. Alderwiereld
6. Stones
7. Maguire
8. Gomez
9. Otamendi
10. Mustafi?

Compiling that list was more difficult than I thought it would be :lol:
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Stones is nowhere near that good.
 
Sandikan said:
I can't imagine anyone seriously could argue lindelof is better than maguire.
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Lindelof is better than Maguire. Maguire is hugely overrated. He is good defender and that is it. Instead of paying this ridiculous fee for solid defender we should spend that money on Skriniar or Koulibaly. They are twice better than Maguire. And they would add extra quality in our defence.
80 mil for Maguire is laughable
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Is he actually though? Personally I just don't see it. What is he so good at because for me he's a dependable PL level CB who is English and played in our over hyped WC run (we lost as soon as played a good team) and otherwise has been solid for Leicester. People rave on here about aerial ability but Smalling is arguably just as good as him in that department and is much more athletic/faster. He's decent (for a CB) on the ball but let's not pretend he's Rio reborn, I just feel the caf's desire for a CB and the fact he's English has led to us to hugely overrate a player who might actually weaken us overall if paired with another slower CB in Lindelof.
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So we get rid of the bluffer lindelof who’s clearly not good enough
 
The overrating of Lindelof on here now is amazing, genuinely astonishing levels of undeserved praise for him on a daily basis. He's good, and has clearly improved, but made to look better because those around him are utterly hopeless.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Lindelof is better than Maguire. Maguire is hugely overrated. He is good defender and that is it. Instead of paying this ridiculous fee for solid defender we should spend that money on Skriniar or Koulibaly. They are twice better than Maguire. And they would add extra quality in our defence.
80 mil for Maguire is laughable
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Yeah, these guys were placed in rack 4, CB section in the supermarket. Just pay the money and bring them home.
 
I think Skriniar and Koulibaly are going to cost 120m+ if reports are to be believed, and it seems they are not overly interested in joining our project.
 
Adam-Utd said:
You underrate him massively, Maguire is a good defender.
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He made mistakes last season that a United player would be trashed for. You just need to read his threads before we were re-linked with him.

He's about Lindelof's level of defending. We already have Lindelof and Smalling who is better at it.
 
DatIrishFella said:
We conceded 53 goals last season. 53. I honestly dont care if United pay 90m, just sign a decent CB. We'll be overly reliant on Wan Bissaka trying to salvage Jones/Smalling's mistakes.
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Exactly. It’s not relevant where they are from (unless we need to get our quota up) or how much they cost. Will they improve us? Yes absolutely
 
Ekeke said:
He made mistakes last season that a United player would be trashed for. You just need to read his threads before we were re-linked with him.

He's about Lindelof's level of defending. We already have Lindelof and Smalling who is better at it.
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Yes he's not perfect but there isn't many out there. He's 10x better than Smalling on the ball and better than Lindelof in the air, he's an upgrade on both and pretty much their best qualities rolled into 1.

For the bigger games he's able to play in a back 3 comfortably also which will help us remain flexible in that regard.

We can go Dalot/lindelof/Smalling/Maguire/Shaw if needs be.
 
Ekeke said:
He made mistakes last season that a United player would be trashed for. You just need to read his threads before we were re-linked with him.

He's about Lindelof's level of defending. We already have Lindelof and Smalling who is better at it.
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All defenders make mistakes, Cafe darling De ligt, was megged by Sancho and gave away a stupid pen against a shit England side only last month.
 
Evans is better than Maguire though, according to Leicester fans and WhoScored stats. Realistically should we try to sign back Evans instead?
 
Yorkeontop said:
Chelsea conceded 15 in 04/05. The most remarkable stat in EPL history for my money. Defence wins titles.
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That was a remarkable figure. Credit to them where it is due. As Sir Alex put it: "Attack wins you games, defense wins you titles". In the 1993/94 season Capello's Milan won the league by scoring a measly 36 goals but only conceding 15.
 
Jonno said:
Can you think of any other proven PL CB's who would instantly improve our back line, give us a minimum of 5 years' in his peak, that is attainable in this summers market?
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It's not Maguire I have a problem with as I'm sure he'll improve our backline, it's the fact that we had the opportunity to sign him on a couple of occasions in the past and now we've come crawling back a year later ready to pay a world record transfer fee to obtain him. It makes them come across as incredibly clueless and incompetent. They should be looking at up-and-coming defenders that could make it to world class level like Konaté rather than resting on their laurels and then jumping for one of the most well known and expensive options available who in all honesty isn't worth anywhere near £80 million. This has been our downfall over the past few years. Our transfer strategy stinks.
 
DatIrishFella said:
We conceded 53 goals last season. 53. I honestly dont care if United pay 90m, just sign a decent CB. We'll be overly reliant on Wan Bissaka trying to salvage Jones/Smalling's mistakes.
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Some of those 53 was due to playing Young at RB, so we have already improved our defense massively by signing AWB. Also, many of those 53 goals came due to a midfielder mistake and Matic’s lack of mobility. Maguire won’t improve us if midfield provides no protection. Midfield is where we most need to spend.
 
Beaucoup said:
All defenders make mistakes, Cafe darling De ligt, was megged by Sancho and gave away a stupid pen against a shit England side only last month.
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Yes, hes not as good as people make out either always said that. But he's a youngster Maguire isnt
 
John Stones is a terrible defender. He's an accident waiting for happen. A silkier Phil Jones if you will.

Maguire is comfortably better than most CBs in the league and miles ahead of the ones we've got including Lindelof. The absolute top CBs are all either not interested or not for sale. Then you've got Napoli asking for £120m or whatever it is for Koulibaly.

I think he'll be a very good signing for us, despite the negativity a lot of people seem to have towards him.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Yes he's not perfect but there isn't many out there. He's 10x better than Smalling on the ball and better than Lindelof in the air, he's an upgrade on both and pretty much their best qualities rolled into 1.

For the bigger games he's able to play in a back 3 comfortably also which will help us remain flexible in that regard.

We can go Dalot/lindelof/Smalling/Maguire/Shaw if needs be.
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I dont disagree, but he's also slow to get back when caught up the pitch trying to be too clever going forwards. So he has some of their strengths but he also has a weak point. And yes a 3 at the back of the 3 of them would probably be safest but I dont think you pay what we'd be paying for Maguire to be shoehorned into playing 3 at the back. I suspect they'll be rotated as 2s instead
 
RedRonaldo said:
Evans is better than Maguire though, according to Leicester fans and WhoScored stats. Realistically should we try to sign back Evans instead?
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Evans was a very good player for us, lost his way towards the end of his time here. Criminally underrated ability on the ball, he lacked a bit of strength which is why he did so well with Vidic who compensated for that. He's 31 now, that ship has sailed.
 
Let's not forget the attacking threat though guys, he scored 3 times as many goals and Sanchez last season.
 
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