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True, but Darmian can leave as a free next year and Rojo the year after, I think. The interest they get from clubs, and wages on offer, are going to continue to go down the toilet if they go through another season with a just a handful of appearances. It’s in their interest to lower their wage demands in return for regular football, IF they care about their future destinations or careers...
60m + Rojones = Maguire
Lukaku + Darmian to Inter = Bruno Fernandes + Tierney
Sanchez = Ben Yedder
Matic + Mata + Lingard = Ndidi
Dream ending to the window for only 60m.
Lukaku + Darmian to Inter = Bruno Fernandes + Tierney
Sanchez = Ben Yedder
Matic + Mata + Lingard = Ndidi
Dream ending to the window for only 60m.
If you are buying Dunk as rumoured, i think it's sorted
He's massively overpriced but he's a good CB and our options were narrowing, my biggest concern is there's no recovery pace between him and Lindelof and our DM protecting them is a sloth.
Would be funny if he turned out to be worse than Jones at United. We've seen it with Falcao, Di Maria, De Pay, Bailly etc..
Worst, it could be 80m + 10m add ons.
/u/xisimon says it's done and now we are getting stuff about how Maguire wants to move and Leicester won't stand in the way if the valuation is met. Which now 80m seems to be the number, when Leicester had supposedly wanted 90m.
Think this one is near done and the clubs are just trying to hash out the structure of the 80m. I'd imagine it's something along the lines of we want 60+20m and Leicester wants 70+10m and it will settle at 65+15.
Think this one is near done and the clubs are just trying to hash out the structure of the 80m. I'd imagine it's something along the lines of we want 60+20m and Leicester wants 70+10m and it will settle at 65+15.
None of which played in the prem previously, we've seen Maguire play well week in week out in it. Falcao came coming off an injury. Di Maria didn't even want to be here.
He's miles better than Jones and will continue to be if he's here.
I could easily see it happening. It’s not easy to step up and play for United. Better players than Maguire have failed.
I think we'll get some reliable news tonight about it being done
he's proven in the league, so i don't think he'll flop that hard. Main concern is whether he's a CL defender or not, and can he handle the Barca's and bayerns , because at that price we shouldn't just be looking at an upgrade, but a top class CB
All of which were either unproven in the PL, past their best or didn't want to be here in the first place.
Best thing about buying British is we know what we're getting. The chances of failure are significantly lower by comparison to those purchased outside the PL.
Any photographic proof he was at Leicester training today?
What’s the alternative? Genuinely, at this stage, if we declined due to cost what would we do? I sure as hell don’t see us finding another CB of similar quality to buy for a lower price at this stage of the window. And evidence shows we are willing to spend so it isn’t impacting future transfer budgets.
Alternative is to either take Alderweireld for £25m or stick with what we’ve got for another year and keep our powder dry. We shouldn’t panic buy.
Sorry to be pedantic 50 years ago 5p didn't exist it would have been a shilling which was the equivalent of 12 pence although their were 20 of them in a pound go figure old money... why did people love pre-decimalisation?? I suppose you could have had 5d I have now confused myself old people help please
Given the current market, and the fact that Maguire is actually a good player, how much do you truly think we are overpaying here? We are overpaying, no doubt, but I would challenge that it probably isn’t by as much as some are making out. And add in the fact that in every transfer there is usually a “United tax”, I really don’t think it’s something we should really be concerned about.
If we end up paying £80m, I’d say we’ve overpaid by at least £30m. It obviously depends on how much you rate Maguire as a player.
We have 6 (!) central defenders already at the club. If I was in charge, signing a 7th would be dependent on us getting rid of at least a couple of others.
If the club has £80m just burning a hole in its pocket, I’d rather we go out and sign a genuine game changer who can win us matches. Hazard went for £100m - obviously we couldn’t get him, but that’s what we should be looking at for £80m+.
And if the right players aren’t available, just wait and be patient. There will be more transfer windows. A wise man once said, there’s nee value in the market.
Mike's only your middle name isn't it, Joel?
Well if someone that has no credible relationship with utd let alone football says it's done I trust him
What's overlooked a lot with this though is you're buying an asset. If you spend 80m on a young but established player, a
you add 80m value to your squad. Possibly more if the player improves or transfer fees continue to inflate. Look at Pogba.
You buy an older player for 30m and you're unlikely to add any real value to your squad unless you intend to sell them 6 months later. So financially the later often makes less sense
If it's true that both us and city have bid 70m but neither will meet an asking price of about 5m more then that seems really daft. If it's a panic buy at 80m then it's not exactly transformed into a well thought out and planned investment for 10m less.
Some reporter from the local Leicester newspaper said he was present and acting like a professional
Mark Ogden just posted an article saying we are miles away from a deal and the best we have offered is 40m. Considering the source I think we can accept that the deal is done and he will be here in the next 24 hours.
This is true in theory... but not in a world where we pay players wages well above their market rate which means in the majority of cases they have effectively £0 transfer value.
If we stick Maguire on £200k+ a week, he'll be more or less unsellable.
If this will be done at end of the this week, we'll have some solid defensive reinforcements against Chelsea with Bissaka already in the bag and possibility of Tuanzebe emerging.
In case of failing, United will probably need another week or two for finding alternative and with current tempo of nagotiations we better get Maguire while we can.
In case of failing, United will probably need another week or two for finding alternative and with current tempo of nagotiations we better get Maguire while we can.
Our defence is complete shit, our goal keeper faces more shots than any other keeper in the league virtually, we have 6 central defenders three of which CANNOT DEFEND.
Two of those 6 are never available because they are always injured.
Our defence is a complete shit show, its an absolute priority to completely overhaul it what ever the cost because you cannot build a team around “scoring more than the other team regardless of the amount” and expect to win anything.
Just ask Klopp, he realized last season that you have to have at the very least functional defence.
Pep realised you have to have a functioning defence to win things.
The biggest travesty of all is that for two and half years we had the most pragmatic defensive minded manager available and we stuck with Rojo, Smalling, Jones, Young, Valencia and fecking Darmian rather than turfing out the lot of them and buying capable defenders.
I do get his point though. £80m for a non-world class centre back is a tad crazy. He could turn out brilliantly, but he could also be about as good as Smalling.
We could buy a game changer further up the field for not much more, and get a centre back that would be at least be an improvement on what we’ve got for £40-50m.
There's a poll in ESPN just now, with majority think he only worths 40m-60m, so if we bought him for Leicester valuation of 80-90m, we are probably overpaying him by around 40%-100%.
Its like most would value Lukaku for around 70m, but if we are asking for 120m-140m instead, something like that.
I'd say City/Liverpool are more of a test than Barca/Bayern at present so we can judge him on that.
I'd agree with that. £50 million would be about right
There are only three words in that whole post I disagree with, and they are 'whatever the cost'.
Every transfer fee (and wage) we pay carries with it an opportunity cost. If we pay £80m for Maguire, it means there's £80m less to fix the other equally glaring problems with our squad. We're in a big hole, and we need to dig ourselves out with a sensible, patient transfer policy that over the coming three years uses the resources we have to transition to a winning team.
Over the years I think have gathered some experience how big companies works and from what I can understand for various reasons all parties wants this deal to be done.
Whatever we like it or not this is a negotiation between two clubs owned by businessmen from Thai and US. How much United is willing to offer is totally in the hands of our owners but I can’t see this deal collapse because of a few millions. It would be so much bad will on so many levels to walk away at this point so I assume regarding the fee Leicester have the upper hand. It’s to late for us to back off at this time.
From Leicester’s owners perspective it could be irresponsible to walk away from such a huge profit made in such short time. They also don’t want to jeopardize such a deal because of some financial details. Keeping Maguire will probably benefit the club in the short term perspective but looking further ahead then selling him with a profit and re invest is probably the smarter long term solution. We have similar problems with Lukaku except we can’t expect a profit. Regarding Pogba it’s more complicated, nobody can afford our valuation and he’s much harder to replace.
In the end it seems like all parties wants this to happen so I expect that they all will have to compromise a little neither. Leicester will probably have their £80m but maybe not all up front and I think this is fair to all involved.
50m?! Tyrone Mings went for 25m. When will people realize this is not FM and that the market is inflated. Added to it that he is English, Leicester don't really need the money and have ambitions of their own and will also need to overpay for a replacement, I'd say 70-80m is spot on. If we don't sign a decent CB this summer we are fooked. Some of the cheaper alternatives mentioned too are garbage and will end up in the Darmian/Rojo category.
£50m is definitely about right but that is in a market where he is readily available. Leicester don't wanna sell so we have to cough up enough to push them into budging.
Also talk of reselling and stuff always baffled me... we're rich as feck and we're Manchester United who gives a feck about resale, just feck em off for cheap when they are no use anymore... Unless it is a prized asset who wants out.
I’m pretty sure that’s just how the modern day transfer market is. Liverpool surely overpaid x% for VVD when his value was technically lower than that. It’s just how things work especially for filthy rich English clubs like us and specifically in a scenario like this where Leicester really have no obligation at all to sell.
...rarely does a good quality player go for just his value. And case in point with Lukaku. We overpaid when we got him too. He wasn’t worth £70m or whatever it was.
As depressing as it is, you're not wrong.
Actually, these are the sort of prices clubs demand on FM too
Evening all,
Leicester City fan here. As reported by John Percy, you have not agreed a fee for Maguire yet. Harry would like to go to Man City but he would also take a move to United. He has been a little frustrated but will not agitate for a move as he is not that type of person. His main frustration is our stance on fee and it is a take it or leave it 90 million. I would be disappointed to see Harry go as he is a fantastic footballer and brings some excellent qualities to a team. I would however say that I do not think he is a great defender at the moment. He does have the odd lapse and is positionally a little suspect. As a comparison I would judge Johnny Evans as our best 'defender'. He really was superb at the end of last season.
It will be interesting to see what the next few weeks bring, perhaps a huge amount of money for us to reinvest in a very promising squad.
All the best for the season.
Leicester City fan here. As reported by John Percy, you have not agreed a fee for Maguire yet. Harry would like to go to Man City but he would also take a move to United. He has been a little frustrated but will not agitate for a move as he is not that type of person. His main frustration is our stance on fee and it is a take it or leave it 90 million. I would be disappointed to see Harry go as he is a fantastic footballer and brings some excellent qualities to a team. I would however say that I do not think he is a great defender at the moment. He does have the odd lapse and is positionally a little suspect. As a comparison I would judge Johnny Evans as our best 'defender'. He really was superb at the end of last season.
It will be interesting to see what the next few weeks bring, perhaps a huge amount of money for us to reinvest in a very promising squad.
All the best for the season.
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What if they said "£60m plus Tuanzebe or the deal's off"?
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