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Is 80mill alot of money for Maguire? Probably yes. But do we have other choices? I dont think so.

Would De Ligt want to join us? I dont think so too. He's probably better off going to Juve where Chiellini and Bonucci would probably improve his game. Even joining Liverpool would be a better option in his perspective, to be able to team up with VVD in both club and country.

What about Koulibaly? He might be interested but would probably cost 40-50mill more. And the jury still out on him doing well in EPL.

Play the youths? Tuanzebe maybe? That could work, but I would rather hope he has someone to learn from who aint Smalling, Jones or Rojo. Could be a good back up this season if he's willing to stay.

I feel 80mill is probaby justified for Maguire. Leicester knows we are desperate for a CD, every one knows that. If it was City or Pool who were in for him, would they be paying 80mill? I dont think so. Leicester would probably cash in at about 50-60 mill if they came calling. If Leicester wants more money, City and Pool would probably shift their attention elsewhere because they aint desperate for a CD. Maguire wouldnt walk straight into the team at City and Pool but for us, if he comes, he would probably the best defender we ever had since Rio and Vidic retired.

Prices have probably doubled since P$G paid >200mill for Neymar. I wouldnt be surprise if some club made an offer of 250-300mill for CR7 now. Just think about it, if VVD is valued close to 100mill now, Maguire would probably be around 65-70, adding in the fact that Leicester knows we are desperate and the "English players tax", 80mill is probably justified. Like what Rio said, he himself is probably worth >100mill in today's market.
 
We should just offer 60mil and tell Leicester we will give them 50% of any fee we get when we sell him to another club: On second thoughts they will never go for that because they know when we sell players we are lucky to get half our money back.
 
What I don’t get about the Xi_USimon Guy, is that others called the transfer before he did, yet people believe him?!?

We have our own version of him, called Sean from Enderby. He just conveniently deletes the stuff he gets wrong.
 
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roonster09 said:
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He was talking about pace in the attack.
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I repeat he doesn't mention any positions. Also if pacey players like James can hurt opposition then don't you think they can hurt us as well unless we've got pacey Cbs to counter for them?
 
George The Best said:
He actually only called the time of their announcements, most likely breaking a press embargo. Doubt his ‘contact’ is at United. Most of his stuff is garbage other than that.
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I’m not one for all this ITK culture but you couldn’t be more wrong, he’s not only called announcement times at all.
 
devilish said:
I repeat he doesn't mention any positions. Also if pacey players like James can hurt opposition then don't you think they can hurt us as well unless we've got pacey Cbs to counter for them?
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Yeah he didn't mention any players except he mentioned only attacking players, which means the point he was making was obvious.
 
Who brings more to the table in improving our defense. AWB or Maguire? In my opinion it’s AWB because the difference between Young and AWB as RB defender is just huge. Young was never meant to be a RB, and is frankly an embarrassment to the club. But the difference between Maguire and Smalling is diferent: Smalling might actually be the better defender, but Maguire is clearly better at bringing the ball out. IMO, AWB will make a bigger impact defensively than Maguire.

So if we were to take that £60 or £80 million and invest it in midfield, I would rather see that than to buy Maguire. The marginal rate of return is better in midfield (where we have lost Herrera & Fellaini) than in Defense. In other words, we will get a bigger bang for the buck buying a solid first team midfielder than buying Maguire.
 
Our resident ITK on Foxestalk is reporting that the deal is being pushed by his agent. The LCFC board however are insistent that they won’t settle for anything less than £85m.

The same happened with Drinkwater and Mahrez.
 
roonster09 said:
Yeah he didn't mention any players except he mentioned only attacking players, which means the point he was making was obvious.
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I think he mentioned forwards because it easier to explain the effectiveness of pace from an attacking POV then from a defensive POV. That sound pretty obvious. However if our pacey attackers can do damage to opposition then the same would happen against us. That can only be tackled by pacey defenders.

Honestly I don't mind us signing Maguire. We've got players to cover his flaws (AWB, Smalling, Dalot and Shaw are quite pacey). My gripe is us spending that huge sums of money for a player with such glaring flaw.
 
devilish said:
I think he mentioned forwards because it easier to explain the effectiveness of pace from an attacking POV then from a defensive POV. That sound pretty obvious. However if our pacey attackers can do damage to opposition then the same would happen against us. That can only be tackled by pacey defenders.

Honestly I don't mind us signing Maguire. We've got players to cover his flaws (AWB, Smalling, Dalot and Shaw are quite pacey). My gripe is us spending that huge sums of money for a player with such glaring flaw.
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If pacey players can be tackled (contained) only by pacey players then CBs like Pique, Vidic would be playing some other sport. CB is the position where the players are most protected from pacey players as they rarely get one vs one chance.

When Ole mentioned pace, he talked about X factor and then mentioned attacking players. He was talking about pace in the attack, something which he mentioned/implied many times before.
 
You have to remember, that Hull get 20% of this deal. So if you guys pay £85,000,000 - we’ll be passing £17,000,000 to Hull.

Which leaves us with £68,000,000.
 
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If pacey players can be tackled (contained) only by pacey players then CBs like Pique, Vidic would be playing some other sport. CB is the position where the players are most protected from pacey players as they rarely get one vs once chance.

When Ole mentioned pace, he talked about X factor and then mentioned attacking players. He was talking about pace in the attack, something which he mentioned/implied many times before.
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Vidic was certainly pacier then Maguire is and he had trouble with pacey players like for example Torres. That despite having Rio to cover up for him. Ole was a striker hence why his analogy will always be forward based rather then defensive based. He was a modern striker for the time ie a player who didn't rely on his physicality and blunt force but on opportunism and analysing/exploit chinks in the opposition armour. I am pretty sure he understand the need of pace in defence as well.
 
JEredDevil said:
Is 80mill alot of money for Maguire? Probably yes. But do we have other choices? I dont think so.

Would De Ligt want to join us? I dont think so too. He's probably better off going to Juve where Chiellini and Bonucci would probably improve his game. Even joining Liverpool would be a better option in his perspective, to be able to team up with VVD in both club and country.

What about Koulibaly? He might be interested but would probably cost 40-50mill more. And the jury still out on him doing well in EPL.

Play the youths? Tuanzebe maybe? That could work, but I would rather hope he has someone to learn from who aint Smalling, Jones or Rojo. Could be a good back up this season if he's willing to stay.

I feel 80mill is probaby justified for Maguire. Leicester knows we are desperate for a CD, every one knows that. If it was City or Pool who were in for him, would they be paying 80mill? I dont think so. Leicester would probably cash in at about 50-60 mill if they came calling. If Leicester wants more money, City and Pool would probably shift their attention elsewhere because they aint desperate for a CD. Maguire wouldnt walk straight into the team at City and Pool but for us, if he comes, he would probably the best defender we ever had since Rio and Vidic retired.

Prices have probably doubled since P$G paid >200mill for Neymar. I wouldnt be surprise if some club made an offer of 250-300mill for CR7 now. Just think about it, if VVD is valued close to 100mill now, Maguire would probably be around 65-70, adding in the fact that Leicester knows we are desperate and the "English players tax", 80mill is probably justified. Like what Rio said, he himself is probably worth >100mill in today's market.
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Good post. Agree with a lot of it (From a Leicester perspective), what I would add though is that I do not think City, Pool or anyone else will get a much lower price than you have been quoted.

After the Mahrez debacle where he basically had a huge hissy fit last over a season, the club seems resolved in its assertion that its our player, our price.

Having said that, I have little doubt you would have to pay a bit more (Say 85 compared to 80) just by the fact, and as you stated, its more desperate for Utd, both in terms having no CL, but also not having existing top quality 1st team members.

Also hearing that it is his agent pushing and that Leicester want to complete further incomings AND get a replacement before he will be let go (For the prices mentioned above)

I know nothing though, so that's Harry joining you guys for 65 tomorrow then :lol:
 
roonster09 said:
If pacey players can be tackled (contained) only by pacey players then CBs like Pique, Vidic would be playing some other sport. CB is the position where the players are most protected from pacey players as they rarely get one vs one chance.

When Ole mentioned pace, he talked about X factor and then mentioned attacking players. He was talking about pace in the attack, something which he mentioned/implied many times before.
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Yeah! Having played centre back at a pretty high standard for 20 years I can assure you that lack of pace can be hidden by good positioning and reading of the game!
 
devilish said:
Vidic was certainly pacier then Maguire is and he had trouble with pacey players like for example Torres. That despite having Rio to cover up for him. Ole was a striker hence why his analogy will always be forward based rather then defensive based. He was a modern striker for the time ie a player who didn't rely on his physicality but on opportunism and analysing/exploit chinks in the opposition armour. I am pretty sure he understand the need of pace in defence as well.
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Vidic having bit more pace than Maguire means nothing (vidic having more pace is debatable too). Players like Terry, Vidic are one of the best CBs to have played in the league. Players like Toby don't have much pace but they are comfortable playing high line. Vidic also played with Evans and didn't have any problem dealing with players. Also Torres vs Vidic is again one more myth based on couple of games. Blind is one of the slowest player, he never had problems playing highline at ManUtd and dealing with stronger and quicker players like Lukaku.

Of course having pace is better than not having pace but that shouldn't be factor to make or break the deal, especially for CBs.

What Ole wanted, he said it fine. You are drawing your own conclusion with something he never said. He never talked about pace for every position. He was talking about attackers, you took half the quote and made it sound like he wanted pace in every position. He was talking about X factor too, wonder which CBs have that X factor.
 
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jackal&hyde said:
I personally don't care to much about the price, but a huge amount of people do. Just look at how much Pogba was and is beaten with the price tag stick and this while being head and shoulders our best player. Maguire is going to be compared week in week out to VVD, De Ligt, KK. The higher the price the higher the expectations and while i think this is silly, i do think it can have an impact over the player himself, the pressure i mean.

Having said that, i do trust Ole to create a much better environment and unity in the dressing room then the special needs one, so i'm not against this move. Our defense, at least on paper, should be much better.
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That is a good point. They will find a way to make the fee comparable even if it ends up being 60m with add ons... fee engineers take over haha
 
Thiagoal said:
Yeah! Having played centre back at a pretty high standard for 20 years I can assure you that lack of pace can be hidden by good positioning and reading of the game!
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Exactly. Won't argue Maguire has both in abundance but if we go by pace alone, most CBs won't play at highest level ever again.
 
roonster09 said:
Vidic having bit more pace than Maguire means nothing (vidic having more pace is debatable too). Players like Terry, Vidic are one of the best CBs to have played in the league. Players like Toby don't have much pace but they are comfortable playing high line. Vidic also played with Evans and didn't have any problem dealing with players. Also Torres vs Vidic is again one more myth based on couple of games. Blind is one of the slowest player, he never had problems playing highline at ManUtd and dealing with stronger and quicker players like Lukaku.

Of course having pace is better than not having pace but that shouldn't be factor to make or break the deal, especially for CBs.

What Ole wanted, he said it fine. You are drawing your own conclusion with something he never said. He never talked about pace for every position. He was talking about attackers, you took half the quote and made it sound like he wanted pace in every position. He was talking about X factor too, wonder which CBs have that X factor.
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Vidic was never considered as slow and yet he struggled against pacey forwards and that despite having a quick defender alongside him. Maguire is considered as slow because he is slow. As said, I think we've got players to compensate for Maguire's glaring flaws so that shouldn't be a big issue. However one might ask if its worth spending 80m on a player with such glaring flaws in the first place especially when Ole is rightly stressing on pace as a key asset in the modern game

There again if Ole had been given a choice between signing Maguire or having to rely on Jones and Rojo for yet another season then I can't really blame him for choosing the former. I would do the same.
 
Sleigh said:
You have to remember, that Hull get 20% of this deal. So if you guys pay £85,000,000 - we’ll be passing £17,000,000 to Hull.
Hull must be very happy they put that clause in the sale. Very sensible of them. Some happy Hull thanks fan I think when this transfer finally goes through
Which leaves us with £68,000,000.
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devilish said:
Vidic was never considered as slow and yet he struggled against pacey forwards and that despite having a quick defender alongside him. Maguire is considered as slow because he is slow. As said, I think we've got players to compensate for Maguire's glaring flaws so that shouldn't be a big issue. However one might ask if its worth spending 80m on a player with such glaring flaws in the first place especially when Ole is rightly stressing on pace as a key prerequisite in the modern game

There again if Ole had been given a choice between signing Maguire or sticking to Jones for yet another season then I can't really blame him for choosing the former. I would do the same.
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Vidic was slow and he didn't play alongside pacey CBs all the time. He played alongside Evans many times as Rio had injury issues. And no he didn't struggle against pacey attackers. Also if we assume he struggled against Torres, that doesn't mean he struggled against pace, it means he struggled against 1 striker. It's like saying Evra can't deal with wingers as he struggled against Lennon.

Pace is important but not as important for CBs as it is for attackers. Ole talked about attackers and the quote you used was about attackers (which was my initial point) and you used only half of it.

Edit: Given the choice I would prefer players with pace and quality. CBs who are good on the ball and also quick.
 
devilish said:
Vidic was never considered as slow and yet he struggled against pacey forwards and that despite having a quick defender alongside him. Maguire is considered as slow because he is slow. As said, I think we've got players to compensate for Maguire's glaring flaws so that shouldn't be a big issue. However one might ask if its worth spending 80m on a player with such glaring flaws in the first place especially when Ole is rightly stressing on pace as a key asset in the modern game

There again if Ole had been given a choice between signing Maguire or having to rely on Jones and Rojo for yet another season then I can't really blame him for choosing the former. I would do the same.
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Agree with this. This is that situation when people argued that Lukaku would improve his first touch when we were about to sign him. We are lucky that Inter are stupid enough to help us recoup the money. I can only hope that if we sign Maguire, it's a successful signing.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
We are lucky that Inter are stupid enough to help us recoup the money. I can only hope that if we sign Maguire, it's a successful signing.
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Who said Inter would entertain our selling price? Last time I read, we didn't reach any agreement with them?
 
Sleigh said:
You have to remember, that Hull get 20% of this deal. So if you guys pay £85,000,000 - we’ll be passing £17,000,000 to Hull.

Which leaves us with £68,000,000.
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From what I have read - Hull get 15% of the profit. So if you sell for £85M - Hull get £10.2m (15% of £68 m)
 
They say 60 million with 20million in add ons agreed, SSN. Transfer news on shortly, so should get the full details.
 
The Sun usually aren't this straight forward and pinpoint unless they have real Info.

The fact they've stated the fee, he will travel for a Medical Monday, and that Leicester have their replacement already - sounds pretty tied up to me.

It would have be a massive leap of faith to hope all that comes together..
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Agree with this. This is that situation when people argued that Lukaku would improve his first touch when we were about to sign him. We are lucky that Inter are stupid enough to help us recoup the money. I can only hope that if we sign Maguire, it's a successful signing.
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I see this behaviour from fans all the time. Fans like to presume progessions, that are unlikely to happen. Fans said, D. Costa would improve his decision-making under Pep pretty fast. They said, Coman would improve his last action and become more effective, Player xyz would become better, when he trains on a high level (games are not that imporant) etc. pp.

I like A. Wengers comparison to a house: Base: technique, 1. Floor (14-17 years): physical aspect, 2. Floor: tactical aspect, roof (18-19 years): desire to become successful. X. Alonso once said, he was pretty much the same player since he was 19 years old. Of cource you gain experience and improve things a bit, but you can´t rebuild your House.

At 19 you pretty much now the direction of a player. Thats why 100+ Mio. € for a teenager isn´t that unintelligible nowadays.

I guess, Fans just sometimes want to believe.
 
Ooge_ said:
I see this behaviour from fans all the time. Fans like to presume progessions, that are unlikely to happen. Fans said, D. Costa would improve his decision-making under Pep pretty fast. They said, Coman would improve his last action and become more effective, Player xyz would become better, when he trains on a high level (games are not that imporant) etc. pp.

I like A. Wengers comparison to a house: Base: technique, 1. Floor (14-17 years): physical aspect, 2. Floor: tactical aspect, roof (18-19 years): desire to become successful. X. Alonso once said, he was pretty much the same player since he was 19 years old. Of cource you gain experience and improve things a bit, but you can´t rebuild your House.

At 19 you pretty much now the direction of a player. Thats why 100+ Mio. € on teenagers isn´t that unintelligible.

I guess, Fans just sometimes want to believe.
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No one said Maguire will improve his pace or become faster than he is. .

Regarding the Alonso quote, there are 100s of players who were completely different players from when they were 19. Maybe he was same player but most players are not.
 
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