Harry Maguire | Signed

[cloyton]

Really happy with this signing if it comes off. Is he worth 80m? Hell no.

But it is 100% worth it so we dont get the chuckle brothers week in week out as our CB partnership.

You just know that come November when we have our annual defensive crises when we have to visit Liverpool away we would line up with young smalling jones and shaw..

Very happy with this signing.

 

[devilish]

Vidic was slow and he didn't play alongside pacey CBs all the time. He played alongside Evans many times as Rio had injury issues. And no he didn't struggle against pacey attackers. Also if we assume he struggled against Torres, that doesn't mean he struggled against pace, it means he struggled against 1 striker. It's like saying Evra can't deal with wingers as he struggled against Lennon.

Pace is important but not as important for CBs as it is for attackers. Ole talked about attackers and the quote you used was about attackers (which was my initial point) and you used only half of it.

Edit: Given the choice I would prefer players with pace and quality. CBs who are good on the ball and also quick.

He played for most of his career with Rio and he wasn't as slow as Maguire is. Look my post is not an anti Maguire one. It was actually an attempt to bring the cons and pros of such deal and what I think is going at OT. I am glad people engaged with as its good to have more opinions on a matter we don't know 100% about

I also think that pace is important across the board. I thought of Mou to be old fashioned in his tall players obsession and I'm glad ole wants to tackle the pace issue. Nevertheless I do find ole's wanting maguire a but strange. As he is indeed slow. However if the choice is between maguire and no one then I understand why ole took that option

 

[DixieDean]

Utd have to ask themselevs why they never spotted the guy when he was at Hull.

Paying 80million for a poor man's John Stones seems absurd. Surley there must be someone of equal or not greater quality, who does not have the 'English tax' added to their value?

 

[roonster09]

Utd have to ask themselevs why they never spotted the guy when he was at Hull.

Paying 80million for a poor man's John Stones seems absurd. Surley there must be someone of equal or not greater quality, who does not have the 'English tax' added to their value?

Yeah, it was poor decision not to sign him when Hull got relegated. Also if we go by same logic, you can ask the same question to every player.

Why didn't City sign Stones before he went to Everton, why didn't Everton sign Keane before he went to Burnley. The list is endless.

 

[Hammondo]

If we pay it, he's worth it.

That's not how it works.

 

[DixieDean]

Yeah, it was poor decision not to sign him when Hull got relegated. Also if we go by same logic, you can ask the same question to every player.

Why didn't City sign Stones before he went to Everton, why didn't Everton sign Keane before he went to Burnley. The list is endless.

OK, but why £80 million? That's absurd.

And the Glazers are holding Utd back apparently, yet here they are spending that much on an above average player. Again, there must be other CB's of equal quality in the world, who would be available for less than half of what Utd are spending here.

 

[Judas]

OK, but why £80 million? That's absurd.

And the Glazers are holding Utd back apparently, yet here they are spending that much on an above average player. Again, there must be other CB's of equal quality in the world, who would be available for less than half of what Utd are spending here.

People say that then struggle to provide examples. Can you?

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Who said Inter would entertain our selling price? Last time I read, we didn't reach any agreement with them?

They are desperate to sign him and please Conte. We will get the money eventually. Even something remotely close to what we paid would be great business.

Anyways don't want to derail the thread.

 

[roonster09]

OK, but why £80 million? That's absurd.

And the Glazers are holding Utd back apparently, yet here they are spending that much on an above average player. Again, there must be other CB's of equal quality in the world, who would be available for less than half of what Utd are spending here.

Like I said, you can ask that question to most transfers, just that price is bit different.

 

[settembrini]

Vidic was just as slow as Maguire is. And being slow was/is the major weakness of both players. With Vidic we covered for his lack of pace by having two very fast players (Evra and Ferdinand) playing on either side of him. As long as United are aware that Maguire is slow and don't leave him exposed against a quicker attacker every game I'm sure he will play well for us, just as he has for his previous clubs and for England.

 

[DixieDean]

People say that then struggle to provide examples. Can you?

Nope, I can't. However, I'm not a scout, and I refuse to believe that there is not a Spanish/Dutch/Italian/whoever, equivalent out there who is available for a decent price.

For this price, Liverpool bought VVD, and, it's clear to anyone who has watched him, Maguire is no where near that level.

 

[Siorac]

People say that then struggle to provide examples. Can you?

I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a worldwide scouting network dedicated to finding the right players, unlike Manchester United.

 

[Dahnsouff]

I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a worldwide scouting network dedicated to finding the right players, unlike Manchester United.

Thats such a cop out. No worldwide scouting network means you do not have enough information to recommend alternatives - fair enough
But somehow you have enough information to dismiss Maguire...

 

[Lentwood]

I like Maguire, he's a good player, a definite upgrade on what we have and the right sort of age. The fee is indicative of the fact that we have allowed ourselves to negotiate from a position of weakness, i.e. in other words, we are desperate!

Can I also add that when people criticise signings like Dan James and then moan that we don't spot players like Maguire earlier.....well you can't have your cake and eat it can you. I would love us to start taking more gambles on up and coming young players from the Championship. The reality is under SAF we didn't have to do that, we could wait until the likes of Ferdinand and Carrick proved themselves at middle tier clubs before swooping. Now that is incredibly expensive to do

 

[beycont]

I'm pretty sure he doesn't have a worldwide scouting network dedicated to finding the right players, unlike Manchester United.

And maybe Manchester United's worldwide scouting network dedicated to finding the right players, recommended Harry Maguire.

 

[AR87]

Nope, I can't. However, I'm not a scout, and I refuse to believe that there is not a Spanish/Dutch/Italian/whoever, equivalent out there who is available for a decent price.

For this price, Liverpool bought VVD, and, it's clear to anyone who has watched him, Maguire is no where near that level.

It's also clear we're operating in an even more hyperinflated market, especially for Premier League players. It is what it is.

I'm not Maguire's biggest fan but his ability aerially and on the ball are two attributes that we have lacked for too long from our CBs. Ideally a player like Axel or Bailly could come good to partner him and cover for him with their raw pace.

 

[golden_blunder]

I like Maguire, he's a good player, a definite upgrade on what we have and the right sort of age. The fee is indicative of the fact that we have allowed ourselves to negotiate from a position of weakness, i.e. in other words, we are desperate!

Can I also add that when people criticise signings like Dan James and then moan that we don't spot players like Maguire earlier.....well you can't have your cake and eat it can you. I would love us to start taking more gambles on up and coming young players from the Championship. The reality is under SAF we didn't have to do that, we could wait until the likes of Ferdinand and Carrick proved themselves at middle tier clubs before swooping. Now that is incredibly expensive to do

Good post

 

[mitchmouse]

You have 6000+ posts hope they aren't all as ridiculous as this.

I feel like a broken record in this thread, United could have thrown EVERYTHING at De Ligt he doesn't want to join us!! Maguire is the best attainable CB. I think he will be player of the season.

a) how do you know that? talked to him have you? b) Going for second (or is it third) best always works so well, doesn't it? I think I know which posting is ridiculous...

 

[Lentwood]

Nope, I can't. However, I'm not a scout, and I refuse to believe that there is not a Spanish/Dutch/Italian/whoever, equivalent out there who is available for a decent price.

For this price, Liverpool bought VVD, and, it's clear to anyone who has watched him, Maguire is no where near that level.

I don't pretend to be a football expert anymore, I watch too few games, however, I did watch virtually all of the last WC and didn't see a SIGNIFICANT upgrade on Maguire, bar the very obvious players who are highly unlikely to be available (Varane)

 

[mitchmouse]

He didn't want to join us. Just do some research before making FIFA level comments.

We actively pursued him in the beginning but he was kind of using us to get a better deal from other clubs.

I'd like proof that we pursued him.. but of course you don't have that. As for FIFA, I presume you mean the game rather than the governing body - never played it (or any other feeble video game)

 

[mitchmouse]

On the hindsight, sure, but one could also argue injuries has cost his development as a player. Fact is he was highly rated when we bought him.

so was Bebe!

 

[DixieDean]

All I know, if I was being quoted £80 mill for Maguire, I would tell them to do one and look elsewhere.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Nope, I can't. However, I'm not a scout, and I refuse to believe that there is not a Spanish/Dutch/Italian/whoever, equivalent out there who is available for a decent price.

For this price, Liverpool bought VVD, and, it's clear to anyone who has watched him, Maguire is no where near that level.

Was it clear VVD would be that good?

I think this is revisionism. I recall a lot of people laughing at Pool for paying that amount.

No transfer has ever been 100% clear.

A good amount of Real Madrid fans thought Kaka would be a better signing than Ronaldo.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

All I know, if I was being quoted £80 mill for Maguire, I would tell them to do one and look elsewhere.

Well apparently that's what we did last summer.

 

[sglowrider]

Vidic was just as slow as Maguire is. And being slow was/is the major weakness of both players. With Vidic we covered for his lack of pace by having two very fast players (Evra and Ferdinand) playing on either side of him. As long as United are aware that Maguire is slow and don't leave him exposed against a quicker attacker every game I'm sure he will play well for us, just as he has for his previous clubs and for England.

This is why i can see Lindloff being sold in a couple of years -- when Axel is more PL-ready.

 

[tonnas]

Utd have to ask themselevs why they never spotted the guy when he was at Hull.

Paying 80million for a poor man's John Stones seems absurd. Surley there must be someone of equal or not greater quality, who does not have the 'English tax' added to their value?

he is MUCH better then stones

 

[JustAGuest]

Utd have to ask themselevs why they never spotted the guy when he was at Hull.

Paying 80million for a poor man's John Stones seems absurd. Surley there must be someone of equal or not greater quality, who does not have the 'English tax' added to their value?

Because he has developed as a player since then?

 

[sglowrider]

I like Maguire, he's a good player, a definite upgrade on what we have and the right sort of age. The fee is indicative of the fact that we have allowed ourselves to negotiate from a position of weakness, i.e. in other words, we are desperate!

Can I also add that when people criticise signings like Dan James and then moan that we don't spot players like Maguire earlier.....well you can't have your cake and eat it can you. I would love us to start taking more gambles on up and coming young players from the Championship. The reality is under SAF we didn't have to do that, we could wait until the likes of Ferdinand and Carrick proved themselves at middle tier clubs before swooping. Now that is incredibly expensive to do

Plus under Fergie, there was a long term plan because of the stability of the management team. Fergie's teams could always be broken down into three categories of players: 1) Kids 2) Peaking 3) Peaked players. It was a conveyer belt of players who rolled into the various phases.

Right now, we are a patchwork of various categories, bought for differing philosophies and lob-sided age categories. Regardless of what, we will need to stick through Ole for a few years to break this constant changing. Not only do we become a poison chalice of a management opportunity but also will always remain in a vicious cycle.

Otherwise, at some point, the revenues will dry up and we will lose that 'buffer' that is afforded to us at the moment. Then we become a team like Arsenal and be hamstrung by lack of investments.

We will have growing pains in the short run but the long alternative will be much bleaker.

 

[Siorac]

And maybe Manchester United's worldwide scouting network dedicated to finding the right players, recommended Harry Maguire.

And we're rightfully wary of that recommendation, considering our track record in recent years.

 

[Adisa]

The Sun usually aren't this straight forward and pinpoint unless they have real Info.

The fact they've stated the fee, he will travel for a Medical Monday, and that Leicester have their replacement already - sounds pretty tied up to me.

It would have be a massive leap of faith to hope all that comes together..

No evidence he is actually travelling though.

 

[settembrini]

This is why i can see Lindloff being sold in a couple of years -- when Axel is more PL-ready.

I think the club have to be looking at Maguire + Tuanzebe as the partnership long term.

Next season it will probably be Maguire + Lindelof or Smalling depending on the opposition.

 

[Allas8]

Well apparently that's what we did last summer.

And thats a good thing, Maguire did not end up having a very good season. Based on last season Maguire does not make top 10 best performing CBs in Premier League, but instead lives of his performances for the English national team.

 

[roonster09]

I like Maguire, he's a good player, a definite upgrade on what we have and the right sort of age. The fee is indicative of the fact that we have allowed ourselves to negotiate from a position of weakness, i.e. in other words, we are desperate!

Can I also add that when people criticise signings like Dan James and then moan that we don't spot players like Maguire earlier.....well you can't have your cake and eat it can you. I would love us to start taking more gambles on up and coming young players from the Championship. The reality is under SAF we didn't have to do that, we could wait until the likes of Ferdinand and Carrick proved themselves at middle tier clubs before swooping. Now that is incredibly expensive to do

Good post, agree with your points. It will be expensive if we wait, especially if we are signing from PL clubs. We need to mix it up though, like few proven players and also few players who are worth the risk from lower leagues.

 

[Adam-Utd]

No evidence he is actually travelling though.

Until he does/doesn't get on the plane I guess.

It just seems very specific, not their usual beat around the bush rumour.

 

[NotoriousISSY]

Definitely want this to happen, but really should be going for this kind of player at the Shef Utd/Hull stage and not the Leicester stage.

It's what we used to do really well. And hopefully the signing of James proves to kickstart that pattern again.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

£80M is a ridiculous fee for a defender. We should able to buy the entire defence for that.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

£80M is a ridiculous fee for a defender. We should able to buy the entire defence for that.

?

 

[Adam-Utd]

£80M is a ridiculous fee for a defender. We should able to buy the entire defence for that.

We could have 10 years ago sure. Things move on.

 

[vidic blood & sand]

We could have 10 years ago sure. Things move on.

There's so much money in the game now, the lesser sides don't need the money like they used to. Quality players are in demand and fetch ridiculous sums.

 

[Crashoutcassius]

Definitely want this to happen, but really should be going for this kind of player at the Shef Utd/Hull stage and not the Leicester stage.

It's what we used to do really well. And hopefully the signing of James proves to kickstart that pattern again.

There are certainly two camps ... people saying longstaff after 9 prem games is stupid... would also complain if he had a great season and we paid 75m