Feels like an April fools joke.
Harry Maguire (Out): Chelsea eyeing a shock swoop for Harry Maguire | Utd say not for sale
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I should have added Sell Maguire in the poll options of what Glazers need to do
This is why Chelsea want Maguire:
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Spot on.
Can't see us selling him at all, however if having a top class DM doesn't improve his form then we should look to sell.
Loftus-Cheek maybe
He said realistically.
We wouldn’t send you anyone other than a fringe player if this move ever happened. Which it won’t.
So pulisic is the only realistic option? Werner probably would have been one which ETH would have sanctioned.
Why do people keep saying this? Is back 3 going to magically teach him not to get caught out of position? Is it going suddenly make him quicker or is it going to make him stop taking 20 touches before passing the ball.
Maguire is an average defender who is good at 1 aspect of defending physicality that is it.
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So we'll sell Maguire and risk a Lindelof- Martinez pairing giving Varane and Bailly fitness record here. No chance.
Hopefully not an Artaunovic type backlash from Chelsea fanbase to derail this.
Maguire is best suited in a back 3 in a libero style role.
But with Casemiro a back 4 is ideal. So selling Maguire is the best move. We have coverage with Bailly, Varane, Lindelof, & the kids at lower cost.
If Varane is hurt, Bailly. If Bailly is hurt, Lindelof. Better than selling Bailly for peanuts & overpaying Maguire who doesn't fit the system.
But with Casemiro a back 4 is ideal. So selling Maguire is the best move. We have coverage with Bailly, Varane, Lindelof, & the kids at lower cost.
If Varane is hurt, Bailly. If Bailly is hurt, Lindelof. Better than selling Bailly for peanuts & overpaying Maguire who doesn't fit the system.
Yes we should take the risk. Maguire is 29 already and on 190k p.w, so it should be no brainer that we should cash in if the offer comes and allows us to move on from him being permanent captain.
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It's not going to happen, and nor should it. Martinez is an unknown in the league, Varane will have spells out with injury, Lindelof is average, and Bailly is there just for the laughs. Sell Maguire at the end of this season when you have lined up an up and coming world class replacement (yeah, too much to ask from United).
But do, for the love of Fergie, take the armband off of him now.
It's not going to happen, and nor should it. Martinez is an unknown in the league, Varane will have spells out with injury, Lindelof is average, and Bailly is there just for the laughs. Sell Maguire at the end of this season when you have lined up an up and coming world class replacement (yeah, too much to ask from United).
But do, for the love of Fergie, take the armband off of him now.
Harry might have faults, and has made mistakes, but so have so many others.
Hopefully once Casemiro is in the starting 11 he might get more protection than under McFred.
I’m old enough to remember times under Dave Sexton and Ron Atkinson, lived through the glory years under SAF.
The only thing that should happen to Harry is for the captaincy to be relinquished from him for his and the clubs sake. He isn’t a leader, and I think ETH knows this.
Hopefully once Casemiro is in the starting 11 he might get more protection than under McFred.
I’m old enough to remember times under Dave Sexton and Ron Atkinson, lived through the glory years under SAF.
The only thing that should happen to Harry is for the captaincy to be relinquished from him for his and the clubs sake. He isn’t a leader, and I think ETH knows this.
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That's a lot of CBs. What are you risking? That 3 are injured at the same time? And we still have Jones. So technically we would need 4 injured in order for us to really be in trouble.
Defensive 3 centre back line ups where he can just be your average Joe schmo
I will forgive Chelsea for all their sins including dumping us past-their-prime Mata and Matic and even Lukaku (indirectly) if this deal goes through.
Addendum: I will also be convinced that Chelsea and Todd Boehly have very little forward thinking, so that's one less competitor to worry about for top prizes in the coming seasons.
Addendum: I will also be convinced that Chelsea and Todd Boehly have very little forward thinking, so that's one less competitor to worry about for top prizes in the coming seasons.
God please be true, he has to go he's part of the reason team think of us as weak.
I'd take Pulisic or Broja + cash for Maguire.
The Onion have taken over reality.
Knowing our luck probably win the Champions League
Can’t believe our luck if someone is willing to take over his wages.
We should show no sentiment here. He’s shown over a long period of time that he’s not good enough.
Get him on the London train, promptly.
We should show no sentiment here. He’s shown over a long period of time that he’s not good enough.
Get him on the London train, promptly.
Quick, do it before they change their minds!
I assumed he played CB because he's a better midfielder playing in defence than any CBs you've got.
And Tuanzebe. We have 7 CBs atm. We could literally sell Maguire and send Bailly out on loan with an option to buy (as per rumours) and still have 5 CBs in the senior squad. More than most clubs.
I would totally take such deal for Maguire if it was on the table. He has regressed for us. We also need another winger or two upfront and Pulisic could be a good backup or he could even displace Rashford on current form. Then next summer Jones and Tuanzebe leave on a free, as per their current contracts, and we have this whole season to scout & identify a good CB that will replace both of them next summer. It makes sense.
I'd swap him if they offer one water bottle and two snack bars in return.
Eehhhh?
Maguire has been made to look far worse than he actually is. The goalkeeper behind him, the lack of defensive positioning in the midfield ahead of him, the lack of workrate in the attacking players...it all puts far more pressure on him than what there should be. Add the captaincy (which he shouldn't have but neither should anyone else in the squad) and the 80m we paid...it's just a recipe for disaster.
In saying that, he probably doesn't suit ETH's playstyle. The high defensive line exposes his lack of pace (won't be as much of an issue with a commanding goalkeeper behind him but it will still be an issue), how long he holds onto the ball slows us down (which is annoying as his passing technique is good but he takes too long to see the pass), and things have gotten so bad that he may not be able to mentally recover his confidence here. So if we can get a decent fee then it might be time to move on.
However, on the off chance that this deal did happen, don't be surprised if he looks good for Chelsea. His top form is very good, as he's shown for England and in the second half of 20/21. People seem to forget how good he was during that period, with most considering him the second best performing defender in the league at the time. Admittedly it was at a time that a couple of the ones who are better were injured, but it was still good. Easily the second best run of performances any of our central defenders have had since Rio and Vidic (behind Smalling in the first half of 15/16). It's just that he's been very inconsistent for us, and his bottom level has been incredibly bad. With a new start and the proper set-up around him it wouldn't surprise me if he did start looking consistently like he did during his good run.
In saying that, he probably doesn't suit ETH's playstyle. The high defensive line exposes his lack of pace (won't be as much of an issue with a commanding goalkeeper behind him but it will still be an issue), how long he holds onto the ball slows us down (which is annoying as his passing technique is good but he takes too long to see the pass), and things have gotten so bad that he may not be able to mentally recover his confidence here. So if we can get a decent fee then it might be time to move on.
However, on the off chance that this deal did happen, don't be surprised if he looks good for Chelsea. His top form is very good, as he's shown for England and in the second half of 20/21. People seem to forget how good he was during that period, with most considering him the second best performing defender in the league at the time. Admittedly it was at a time that a couple of the ones who are better were injured, but it was still good. Easily the second best run of performances any of our central defenders have had since Rio and Vidic (behind Smalling in the first half of 15/16). It's just that he's been very inconsistent for us, and his bottom level has been incredibly bad. With a new start and the proper set-up around him it wouldn't surprise me if he did start looking consistently like he did during his good run.
People actually defending Maguire. Sell him at the first opportunity please. Can't believe all the "he's actually not bad" I'm readingNo way Chelsea at this point in the window are letting go any of the players who themselves don't even want to move and are still in Tuchel's plans. Let alone in any potential swap deal for fecking Harry Maguire.
There's still a few want-away players in addition to Pulisic with Ziyech and Hudson-Odoi as the only even somewhat notable ones, the rest are basically deadwood like Alonso, Emerson, Barkley and Batshuayi.
Seems strange that a better team are after him though eh?!
To be quite honest with you, yes. You wrote things like ‘He's arguably the worst player i saw play for United’. If you claim that’s you trying to be truthful, I don’t believe you. You can call that condescending and cnutish, and if I’m wrong, and you never saw Massimo Taibi, William Prunier, Luke Chadwick, Bebe nor Alexander Büttner play for this club, or if you actually believe them to be better players than Harry Maguire, then I was condescending. But I don’t believe you, it’s true. I wrote a post against hyperboling and writing black/white condemnations, and you answered that with what to me is impossible to not see as more exaggeration and one-sidedness. If that was you being reflective and sincere, I’m in the wrong, but I don’t believe that. I’m guilty of acting boorish and overly serious, sure, but I don’t think I’m condescending when I say that, I believe I’m honest.
Also you know I never claimed Maguire is The Bomb or that he didn’t have a shitty last season. Take that into account if you want to get to the truth of things. I’m up for an honest discussion with you if you want one.
International Football doesn't really count in my book. It's a different game. There isn't anywhere near the intensity and teams aren't together long enough to implement sophisticated systems. You don't see a huge amount of pressing, example.
Past his prime Mata? He was 26 when he joined United, his prime was just starting and we ruined it.
He needs a back 3 to get the best out of him, like Eric Dier. It's just the way it is with certain centre halves. It doesn't need to be a big thing where he needs to be insulted, he just doesn't fit with us and a team who does play a system where he fits will be better for him.
Thank you, you are writing exactly my thoughts, and your joke was on point, too. Thanks for pointing that out, I was getting sucked down, it’s true. I try to avoid matchday threads too, for the same reason you do, and ignore knee-jerk emotional outputs. I think, though, that it’s different with people who write the same hyperbole many times in any thread regardless of topic. And I think if they write ‘short hand’ as you say, and get’s called out for writing ‘short hand, and then argues against that, well, my patience ran out. Should have quit earlier. Have a good day!
The problem with Maguire is that he cant be dropped without consequences and you cant take away his captaincy without consequences. Yeah sure for a game here or there but he has to be first choice CB because he's the captain and he will not accept otherwise. I think he can be a good player for us but will never be a good captain and he cannot be an undroppable player. Its kind of a stupid move to sell him because we just dont know how Martinez will turn out and we dont know if Varane will keep fit and we will definitely be strengthening our rivals. I would sell him but hopefully abroad but if Chelsea offer stupid money then just let him go.
No way this is real. Feels like we'd have to pay another club money to get rid of Maguire.
We simply cannot ignore, that the time period of him „being good for us“ is the same time period where there were no fans in the stadium. All lot of our players seemed to revel in the decreased pressure/training style atmosphere. He as well. As soon as the fans came back - shit performances.
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