It all started from a friendly banter but then the Police provoked him saying "Haha you love to see it".
Harry Maguire involved in incident with police in Greece - conviction nullified by appeal, full retrial pending
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Dude, I very specifically stated in both of my posts that it's a minority of English people I was referring to and still got accused of xenophobia. According to this guy even suggesting a minority of English people behave badly on holiday is xenophobic.
So I doubt if you're off the hook either.
Agreed. A higher class of thuggery is what we need. On a personal level, I'd like to see more while-collar crime as well, to really separate ourselves from the chaff.
That's how you get into the Messi and Ronaldo crime bracket to be fair. Aspirational.
Main reason why Riot Police make constantly walks on the Algarve streets during May to September. if you go there in any other time, you will barely see an officer.
Steve, it is not that simple. By equating racism against blacks to somebody disliking whites, erases 200 years of slavery and 100 more years of systemic discrimination that clearly continues to this day.
You may get some rando not liking you because you are a white Englishman, but you do not by default EXPECT the system to be against you. You do not EXPECT opposition fans to make monkey gestures. Not as a white player. And as a white you dont expect somebody to kill you in England or the US for just being white. Can't you see the huge difference?
Same for xenophobia. Being discriminated on for being foreigner in England is not the same as some minority assuming you are bad. Minority has no power on you, you do have power on them.
Do you get the difference?
Read somewhere that Woodward is trying to make an exchange with the greek police by sending them Rojo, Lingard and Fred.
If anyone hit him in the head they’re gonna have sore knuckles from those sharp edges.
I’m also looking forward to the nickname bluemoon come up with for him now.
I’m also looking forward to the nickname bluemoon come up with for him now.
I know. That wasn't a real apology. Just having a laugh. Not all Englishmen are drunk and annoying when travelling, but all drunk and annoying travelers are Englishmen.(Hey, I really do like you guys- except for the late hours on some sangaria-filled "bar-street".)
He definitely hit a cop, you know that for sure?
Of course but you seem to be struggling with the basic understanding that there are levels to everything. Just because the racism against whites is something you see as less serious for the reasons you've explained doesn't stop it from being racism. It's still making negative assumptions based on nothing more than race. It's still racism. And it still exists.
Personally I see all racism as unacceptable. Again, before you start I'm not saying that equalises the different types of racism. I just detest the idea of any person anywhere judging someone by their skin colour. Whatever the direction it is bad and leaves the world a worse place.
Sorry what situation am I trying to get out of?
Your posts add no value, and have been poor. Ignore list. Cheers.
I’m sorry, but have you met Greek police?
This is purely anecdotal, but I was outside of a club and this guy was shouting at my cousin because she didn’t have a lighter but was smoking a lit cigarette (she had borrowed a lighter from a randomers). I told him to calm down as my friend went off to get the police because the guy was threatening to punch her. I looked over to see where my mate and the police were and this guy sucker punches me. I fall off the curb and land on my ass. Within seconds about 5 police appear with their weird thin truncheons out and just start beating everyone. My cousin, my friend who went to get them, some random people who had been watching and me while I’m still on the floor. They bundle off that guy and so I go up to them and ask them why they just hit us all. They, and I kid you not, denied that any of that had just happened. I pointed to all of the marks across my body and they said ‘no you got that in the fight’. I asked my mate who is Greek what we should do, he asked his aunt who is a judge and she just told us there was absolutely nothing we could do. They will deny it and even if it went to court they can say that even though they were using disproportionate force they were deescalating a fight...
As much as English tourists are scummy and can start fights, the police are itching for it too.
Rumours on the Sancho thread that the deal has been delayed as the three amigos have been sent to pay Maguire's bail.
Nobody is arguing with that. The only thing is: equating very different levels of racism and xenophobia is extremely harmful. Which is why "all lives matter" and "all racism is racism" are harmful, even if they sound correct
He should be stripped of the captaincy immediatedly for such a shite shirt, wages he is on and he has all the swag of a pub darts player!
In all seriousness, I really dont see him as a good captain anyway. Dont know what he is like off the pitch, but on it I dont see him bossing or organising the defence around him like a captain should, let alone the rest of the side.
Its the opposite the other end of the pitch where it is quite obvious to see the difference with Fernandes there, not just for his football either, his presence, example of workrate and constantly pointing and barking to other players where to go shows a leader.
Something still missing from our side in my opinion, we still need more leaders. Just look at Fergies three great sides and they all had leaders in them.
I only see one genuine leader currently and that is Fernandes, there seems a potential one also in Mengi from his history and interview recently, but that is looking possibly a good few years in to the future.
In all seriousness, I really dont see him as a good captain anyway. Dont know what he is like off the pitch, but on it I dont see him bossing or organising the defence around him like a captain should, let alone the rest of the side.
Its the opposite the other end of the pitch where it is quite obvious to see the difference with Fernandes there, not just for his football either, his presence, example of workrate and constantly pointing and barking to other players where to go shows a leader.
Something still missing from our side in my opinion, we still need more leaders. Just look at Fergies three great sides and they all had leaders in them.
I only see one genuine leader currently and that is Fernandes, there seems a potential one also in Mengi from his history and interview recently, but that is looking possibly a good few years in to the future.
That's literally what your argued with. It's fine though. Let's move on and stop trying to accuse each other of causing harm on a football forum.
The whole thing stemmed from a bogus accusation of xenophobia which serves nobody's interests.
We know to little to judge him on. If he broke the rules and if he hit a police officer he should be stripped of armband and there should be discussion about putting him on transfer list. If it is some kind of missunderstanding then just move on.
What he can be questioned about is why taking a trip to Greece in this pandemic time. He should be setting a good example and staying in UK. Poor judgement.
What he can be questioned about is why taking a trip to Greece in this pandemic time. He should be setting a good example and staying in UK. Poor judgement.
If we buy sancho im not even sure rashford starts let alone is our captain
Guarantee you now he wouldn’t have hit a cop unprovoked, no way is he that silly.
the Greek police are dodgy as hell and probably decided to give maguire and his mates a beating themselves - then realised who he was and are now spinning the story.
maguire will be released soon and then we will get the full picture.
I mean, Woodward trying to save the club money in the short-term by offering to pay his bail in installments is funny on many levels
Just another Greek tragedy ....
Same. Lots of young Brits come in Croatia every summer. Man, they are like Huns. And i mean that in no harm way. People just like to party like crazy when they are on vacation.
Problem is that they behave like they are alone there. And then they piss locals. And then shit happens....
Nonsense. If Greece is allowing foreigners to come on holiday what exactly has he done wrong beyond doing something you don't agree with?
Maybe they just react to the sun.
Exactly. If Greece is not on the red list he did nothing wrong.
De Gea for me. And i don't care about that shit how gk can't be captain and shit like that. He should have been captain when Young left anyway.
I have been going to Greece since 1989.
Never had a problem. Only trouble I ever saw was on Crete in 90.Then it was English lads fighting amongst themselves.
Just a good thing Harry didn’t nut him or it’d be a manslaughter charge
There's a strange desperation to 'strip him of the captaincy' here without knowing the full story.
All I can say is WOW.
Only because you are allowed to do something that doesn't mean it is right.
People are allowed to get drunk or smoke cigarettes but that doesn't mean it is right or healthy for that matter.
Do you go to the main strips where all the bars are ? Or are you out for a meal and then tucked up in bed by 12.
I also agree with him that their police dont mess about. They role in, batter everybody then ask questions later. Seen it with my own eyes also, they just dislike drunk Europeans and I can’t really blame them.
Why? This makes very little sense to question him for doing something many countries, including the UK government is encouraging.
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