What about the content of my post, which details Maguire’s exact, if not absurd, account of events has you believing that I’m the crazy one by not swallowing such ridiculously inconsistent lies.
Harry Maguire involved in incident with police in Greece - conviction nullified by appeal, full retrial pending
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So now it’s hate by believing he might be guilty, instead of blindly assuming he’s innocent simply because he plays for United
Do you seriously expect all the evidence you are requesting to be put into the public domain? Before there’s even a fair or correct trial procedure?Hahaha oh so now he was hit hard enough to be bruised? Yet you were all claiming either bruises clear up by now, or he wasn’t hit hard enough to bruise. And we see one bruise despite Maguire stating “obviously they kept hitting my legs”.
So they hit his legs just that once for the one bruise? Or the rest of the hits were just light slaps?
Where are the results from his sisters blood/hair test to prove she was indeed drugged and therefore are visible in her system? Hair samples show this for up to 50 days after ingestion. Evidence is easily found if it happened.
It’s laughable people actually hear this account and take it hook, like and sinker.
My sister was “attacked”/drugged and collapsed, but no drug test to prove it, we didn’t try ringing for an ambulance seeing her unconscious? Well no we decided to take her ourselves. But then actually we somehow ended up outside a police station. But we were somehow actually kidnapped.
He fails to explain where and how they were bundled into a van, if that’s what happened, then claims they “just started hitting us”, so where’s the photographic evidence of the injuries either by Maguire himself or his lawyers? Very bizarre. They didn’t think to gather evidence of physical injuries?Oh please.
Claims he was attacked outside the police station by plain clothed officers. Well at that point it’s obvious they’re police. Or do kidnappers now take their victims to police stations and do their worst in front of the police? So why is he now fearful for his life as he claims?
He then says whilst outside the police station being “attacked” that “at this point there’s no way these are police” despite being outside the actual police station, “so I tried to run away”. So he genuinely believed he’d been kidnapped and thrown in front of a police station to be physically assaulted by his kidnappers at the police station. Oh yes this makes so much sense.
Is his sister ok? What actually happened to her? Rohypnol? GHB? Or was she in and out of consciousness because they’d thumped her in the face? Where’s the evidence of either?
At what point were they “kidnapped”? If it’s whilst he was trying to take his sister to the hospital as he claims, she’d have been with him so what’s then happened to her?
Its not rocket science that if for some reason you are bundled into a van by plain clothed men, that after worrying you were being kidnapped, you’d soon realise you’d been arrested when you arrive at a frigging police station.
It’s laughable that he’s concocted this story and thinks it’s credible. But even more so that people are totally convinced by it. I wonder if it’s a coincidence that nearly every person who does believe this waffle, is a United fan. Try to see past the BS.
This is literally as preposterous as Prince Andrew claiming he doesn’t have the ability to sweat. He also tried the whole let’s do an interview on BBC to prove we are “innocent”. Think R Kelly did something similar. Why is it always the guilty ones who do that? Can’t recall an innocent person who’s done a media interview to prove their innocence. Usually court does this for them. Oh wait...
You started your first post last night saying you want him to be innocent but have said everything possible since to prove that is not the case.
So now it’s hate by believing he might be guilty, instead of blindly assuming he’s innocent simply because he plays for United
No it’s the general nature and tone of the comments towards him, not whether you believe he’s guilty or not. Also the comments directed towards him all season before any of this happened. That said, we should give him the benefit of the doubt at this point.
Just send down Lindelöf to save his ass with his heroic skills just like half the times in the games.
Will have to wait for the full trial and evidence presented by both sides as at the moment there is a lot of 'he said, she said' stuff going on. I don't really believe both sides of the story that much, I don't think either side are telling the entire truth.
A few thoughts on the story though:
- Maguire says that apart from some shouting and screaming, there was no fighting between themselves and the other party. If on top of that they can show no proof of his sister being drugged, any charges related to this part might get dismissed. It's not any of our places to say whether the sister had got drugged, they are not going to release that information to the public, it is understandable that Harry skirted over it somewhat in the interview as he is a bit emotional. I find it odd that the lawyer is going after Harry with regards to some comments about attackers being Albanian, for me the nationality bit is somewhat irrelevant and deflects from the actual story here.
- Maguire is somewhat pleading ignorance to the fact that the bus pulled up outside a police station. I would normally say that it is odd that he didn't realise he was outside a station, there is possibly a lie being told here. However, if I was in his shoes and I pulled up somewhere other than the hospital, the bus got surrounded by numerous blokes dressed in plain clothes, I might be so scared that I might not pay attention to my surroundings either. It is entirely feasible that if himself and his family were that frightened and focused on the shady group of people who have them surrounded that they wouldn't realise where they were.
- Maguire is claiming that he was attacked in the knee by the police, he has not mentioned anything about a police officer that he may have attacked. If his accounts here are the truth, then I don't see where the Greek police can go from here. The Greek police will have a different story about how Harry has assaulted their officer. Will only be able to tell from any CCTV and again we won't find out what is on it until the trial.
I think this is a situation that has been badly handled by their police, though I'm not entirely convinced Harry is as innocent as he makes out (though I do think there is an element of truth in what he is saying). I think the the police have enflamed the altercation instead of calming or controlling it. As a result I predict that Harry will still be found guilty but with a vastly reduced punishment.
A few thoughts on the story though:
- Maguire says that apart from some shouting and screaming, there was no fighting between themselves and the other party. If on top of that they can show no proof of his sister being drugged, any charges related to this part might get dismissed. It's not any of our places to say whether the sister had got drugged, they are not going to release that information to the public, it is understandable that Harry skirted over it somewhat in the interview as he is a bit emotional. I find it odd that the lawyer is going after Harry with regards to some comments about attackers being Albanian, for me the nationality bit is somewhat irrelevant and deflects from the actual story here.
- Maguire is somewhat pleading ignorance to the fact that the bus pulled up outside a police station. I would normally say that it is odd that he didn't realise he was outside a station, there is possibly a lie being told here. However, if I was in his shoes and I pulled up somewhere other than the hospital, the bus got surrounded by numerous blokes dressed in plain clothes, I might be so scared that I might not pay attention to my surroundings either. It is entirely feasible that if himself and his family were that frightened and focused on the shady group of people who have them surrounded that they wouldn't realise where they were.
- Maguire is claiming that he was attacked in the knee by the police, he has not mentioned anything about a police officer that he may have attacked. If his accounts here are the truth, then I don't see where the Greek police can go from here. The Greek police will have a different story about how Harry has assaulted their officer. Will only be able to tell from any CCTV and again we won't find out what is on it until the trial.
I think this is a situation that has been badly handled by their police, though I'm not entirely convinced Harry is as innocent as he makes out (though I do think there is an element of truth in what he is saying). I think the the police have enflamed the altercation instead of calming or controlling it. As a result I predict that Harry will still be found guilty but with a vastly reduced punishment.
Is that what you were doing? Taking screenshots of his legs from a bbc interview and acting like you just cracked the case
If you're lieing you certainly don't go on national news and tell a completely made up story. No one subjects themselves to that if they're lieing, you give body language analysts and experts everywhere free range to analyse you. It smacks more of this is being wrongly reported and the Greece police are corrupt i'm going straight to the news to tell people what really happened.
More and more inclined towards giving him the benefit of doubt here. Seems to have been a pretty shady set of circumstances all round.
They could also cross reference the driver of the mini bus with Maguires statement. The driver, nor Maguires text messages to his agent are barely mentioned at all...
There are so many things here that could give him some credibility. The drugged up sister, the texts, the mini bus driver.... CCTV footage...
Don't like Maguire but I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt. Still seems like your local Leicester lad who doesn't quite realise how big he is. Typical dumb centre back you'd say
There are so many things here that could give him some credibility. The drugged up sister, the texts, the mini bus driver.... CCTV footage...
Don't like Maguire but I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt. Still seems like your local Leicester lad who doesn't quite realise how big he is. Typical dumb centre back you'd say
I'm not angry
You're the one threatening to come back to find me and tell me I told you so I decided to take the mick out of you.
You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to question it. You're adamant this whole thing was cooked up to get Harry to pay a fine.
However, he was already sentenced, found guilty, and wasn't fined so your theory makes little logical sense.
If this was all to give him a fine, I would have expected him to be fined in the first case, unless their Machiavellian scheme factored in the appeal process.
So you're saying that they didn't fine him in the first place knowing that he would appeal and then a year down the road boom! They're quids in.
It all seems a bit too conspiracy-theory for me.
I offered to re-visit this with you in the form of conversation. I did however thoroughly enjoyed the way you dressed it up to "threatening to come back and find you", you'd do well as a Mail Online journo the way you've spun that one up!
I'm simply holding an opinion - disagree all you like. But we're going round in circles here.
Does it? So every major news channel, BBC, Sky Sports, Twitter trends, etc etc cover the news that some random lad spent the night in a cell in Greece?
I can tell you now that when it happened to me in Kavos back in 2014, I did not get any such coverage.
A healthy amount of scepticism is far more reasonable than the "Not our 'Arry! Those dirty Greeks!" narrative being shat out on here.
Yes you do! You try to sway the court of the public because you're worried about the actual justice system.
Yes you do! You try to sway the court of the public because you're worried about the actual justice system.Whatever else he may be, he's not a local Leicester lad.
We really live in a post-truth world here. This is an incredible thread. I really don't know how any fan is able to say with certainty one way or the other, especially when the last court clearly didn't do a through job.
Specially one set of people are letting their feelings about him as a footballer (which are anyway extraordinarily as he has done quite well for us in his first season) get in the way. If someone like Bruno or Martial was in his place, I bet reaction of many fans would have been very different. And this is a fanbase which ideologies Cantona despite the kick at the fan. Crazy.
Specially one set of people are letting their feelings about him as a footballer (which are anyway extraordinarily as he has done quite well for us in his first season) get in the way. If someone like Bruno or Martial was in his place, I bet reaction of many fans would have been very different. And this is a fanbase which ideologies Cantona despite the kick at the fan. Crazy.
Imagine if this was Pogba now
Agreed. No one knows the exact set of circumstances, and Maguire probably has done something somewhere wrong in this case.
But if the Greek story of events was even remotely true, he'd have left it at the suspended sentence and given some sort of mealy mouth apology written by his agents and let it go away. You wouldn't give it oxygen, or make a bunch of (easily verifiable) claims if you had something to hide.
Yes that's perfectly fine, I dont think many people have jumped to a conclusion either way, many just offered their thoughts on the authenticity of the interview.
Are you talking about PR? Because I don't think the imaginary court you are referring to has any influence on his case, if anything he was taking a huge risk of jeopardizing his appeal as I dont think the greeks give a damn about what he says in the British public space. I notice some people taking an issue with how the BBC has run this story on their front page, but it's not like we paid them to do it? They obviously think the story is in the public's interest.
If you can't trust our captains words then who can you trust? Maguire is innocent if he says so! If he is telling lies then we need to blame Ole for making him captain!
It was dark and at night remember, and the police station hardly looks like one if you didn't know what it was. Let's not forget Maguire isn't expecting to go to the police station, they police told his driver to take him there.
When you've just had an altercation with somebody, you're already quite drunk and then something weird like that happens no wonder he was feeling extremely paranoid. Why is there so many plain clothed policeman around waiting for them?
Yep, lets trust the Greek instead.. great logic by some fans.
Even the people who know Maguire have come out in support of him.
Well, Martial has his share of people who don't rate him all that highly - so in his case, I can easily see a similar type of scenario.
Bruno is as universally well liked among United fans as you can hope for (all is relative, mind you), so that probably would've played out a bit differently.
At any rate, it's pretty obvious that for a significant number of posters on here, their perception of the player very much influences their take on the case.
Ha! It would've been full scale war between "fanbois" and "haters", no doubt.
Just bloody hope this will not effect his performances in a bad way.
What makes you think that:Hahaha oh so now he was hit hard enough to be bruised? Yet you were all claiming either bruises clear up by now, or he wasn’t hit hard enough to bruise. And we see one bruise despite Maguire stating “obviously they kept hitting my legs”.
So they hit his legs just that once for the one bruise? Or the rest of the hits were just light slaps?
Where are the results from his sisters blood/hair test to prove she was indeed drugged and therefore are visible in her system? Hair samples show this for up to 50 days after ingestion. Evidence is easily found if it happened.
It’s laughable people actually hear this account and take it hook, like and sinker.
My sister was “attacked”/drugged and collapsed, but no drug test to prove it, we didn’t try ringing for an ambulance seeing her unconscious? Well no we decided to take her ourselves. But then actually we somehow ended up outside a police station. But we were somehow actually kidnapped.
He fails to explain where and how they were bundled into a van, if that’s what happened, then claims they “just started hitting us”, so where’s the photographic evidence of the injuries either by Maguire himself or his lawyers? Very bizarre. They didn’t think to gather evidence of physical injuries?Oh please.
Claims he was attacked outside the police station by plain clothed officers. Well at that point it’s obvious they’re police. Or do kidnappers now take their victims to police stations and do their worst in front of the police? So why is he now fearful for his life as he claims?
He then says whilst outside the police station being “attacked” that “at this point there’s no way these are police” despite being outside the actual police station, “so I tried to run away”. So he genuinely believed he’d been kidnapped and thrown in front of a police station to be physically assaulted by his kidnappers at the police station. Oh yes this makes so much sense.
Is his sister ok? What actually happened to her? Rohypnol? GHB? Or was she in and out of consciousness because they’d thumped her in the face? Where’s the evidence of either?
At what point were they “kidnapped”? If it’s whilst he was trying to take his sister to the hospital as he claims, she’d have been with him so what’s then happened to her?
Its not rocket science that if for some reason you are bundled into a van by plain clothed men, that after worrying you were being kidnapped, you’d soon realise you’d been arrested when you arrive at a frigging police station.
It’s laughable that he’s concocted this story and thinks it’s credible. But even more so that people are totally convinced by it. I wonder if it’s a coincidence that nearly every person who does believe this waffle, is a United fan. Try to see past the BS.
This is literally as preposterous as Prince Andrew claiming he doesn’t have the ability to sweat. He also tried the whole let’s do an interview on BBC to prove we are “innocent”. Think R Kelly did something similar. Why is it always the guilty ones who do that? Can’t recall an innocent person who’s done a media interview to prove their innocence. Usually court does this for them. Oh wait...
- Drug evidence on his sister is not going to be shown in court?
- Some people are police when they need to help and instead are beating you, and you think you would have the clarity of thoughts? Hindsight is 20, but when you are scared and disoriented, you don't think straight
Really, I am curious now. What do you think they will bring as evidence in the appeal? Some "stories", or evidence?
If he ends up getting a fine it won't prove the veracity of your contention that this whole situation was motivated by money for the reasons I've already outlined.
There's literally no point having a discussion later if you refuse to have one now but that's fine. I'm sure we both have better things to be doing.
If you get pissed up and kick off with the NYPD cops on a Friday night, would you expect much in the way of 'help' from them?
It was dark and at night remember, and the police station hardly looks like one if you didn't know what it was. Let's not forget Maguire isn't expecting to go to the police station, they police told his driver to take him there.
When you've just had an altercation with somebody, you're already quite drunk and then something weird like that happens no wonder he was feeling extremely paranoid. Why is there so many plain clothed policeman around waiting for them?
Tbf I can’t tell that is a police station even in daylight.
Not saying that Maguire is totally innocent, but this feels like a bit of a botched job by the police. If what Harry says is true, that incident is extremely intimidating and it is not ridiculous to be scared in that situation. Whether Harry is innocent or not, I think the Police have cocked up this job and are partly to blame for the mess which is why I think the punishment will be reduced.
Is he finally out then?
Out in what sense? At this moment, he's been in England for several days. In Greece, he has a clean slate again as his case goes into a retrial.
I just saw his tweet in which he said he's not focusing on next season, is I thought this problem is finally over?
That's not a question for me as I agree with you. Apparently, for @AC1689 yes, you would ask for help to the police!
You're being misled by social media and online forums. It's hard to remember, but the voices we hear all over are such a tiny minority compared to the overall fanbase.
Indeed. The match going fans will be behind him big time. Not just literally in the stands. I mean in a metaphorical sense.
Oh, I wasn't aware of that Tweet. No, there'd still be a retrial, so we're basically back to square one.
Harry Maguire 'disappointed' Gareth Southgate cut him from England squad
Jamie Jackson Fri 28 Aug 2020 09.22 BST
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...d-gareth-southgate-cut-him-from-england-squad
Harry Maguire says he was 'scared for his life' in first interview since arrest – video
Harry Maguire has admitted disappointment at Gareth Southgate’s decision to drop him from the England squad, though Manchester United’s captain does understand why the manager did so in the wake of his conviction in a Greek court. On Tuesday Southgate initially selected Maguire for next month’s games against Iceland and Denmark, citing how the defender was denying the charges and how discussions with Maguire had convinced him of the 27-year-old’s innocence. Yet when Maguire was found guilty later that day of assaulting a police officer, swearing, resisting arrest and attempted bribery, Southgate reversed his decision.
Maguire, who has launched an appeal and said he “did nothing wrong”, was asked about Southgate’s action. “Yeah I understand – obviously I’m disappointed,” he told the BBC. “I love playing for my country, I’m physically good, I’m mentally strong. Mentally I can get over this. I’m a strong lad. I’m physically and mentally ready to play [so] no, I’m disappointed. But of course I understand.”
The incident occurred on Mykonos last week, Maguire having been pictured during the day enjoying alcohol. Maguire was asked whether that had been a factor.“I’m not going to sit here and say I didn’t have a drink all day,” he said. “I had a few drinks. Anybody who knows me, anybody who knows who has been out with me, knows how I am when I have a few drinks – I’m always aware, I always stay in control. I definitely really wasn’t drunk. I knew what was going off. I just found myself in a bad situation.”
Maguire admitted he may now decide to holiday with security. “It’s changed my mind on that – with the security it’s something I have to look into,” he said. “I don’t want to do it, I don’t want security coming away with me; I don’t feel like I should need to. But in the current climate and the situation i found myself in, would it have helped? Yeah for sure.” Maguire has no misgivings about going to Mykonos. “I don’t see myself as regretting going out there. I’ve been before and had a great time,” he said.
Maguire is confident his form will not be affected. “I don’t think it will affect my performances,” he said. “If you spoke to my family over the past few days they’d tell you I’ve been the strongest out of all of them [involved in this]. Obviously its a tough time – speaking about it makes me angry, I feel myself working up a bit when I speak about the events and obviously speak about what happened to the girls and especially my sister [Daisy].”
It was put to Maguire that the prosecution lawyer had cast doubt on the claim that Daisy had been approached by two men and injected with a substance that affected her.“I’m confident that something happened with Daisy,” he said. “There was a mark on her arm, she had a little stamp mark on her arm, a little you can call it a needle mark on her arm as well. So I’m 100% confident. She was fine, she wasn’t drunk. Then she finds herself going in and out of consciousness.” There was a claim that Maguire’s sister had not mentioned this to the police. “It made me angry because not one of the police department interviewed any of our people. So I’d like to see the record of this interview because Daisy for sure didn’t get interviewed,” he said.
Magure is not concerned that because the appeal may take between one and two years to be heard this might affect him. “I’ll put it to one side,” he said. “I makes me feel a bit angry inside but I’m sure for me I’ll move on.”
Jamie Jackson Fri 28 Aug 2020 09.22 BST
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...d-gareth-southgate-cut-him-from-england-squad
Harry Maguire says he was 'scared for his life' in first interview since arrest – video
Harry Maguire has admitted disappointment at Gareth Southgate’s decision to drop him from the England squad, though Manchester United’s captain does understand why the manager did so in the wake of his conviction in a Greek court. On Tuesday Southgate initially selected Maguire for next month’s games against Iceland and Denmark, citing how the defender was denying the charges and how discussions with Maguire had convinced him of the 27-year-old’s innocence. Yet when Maguire was found guilty later that day of assaulting a police officer, swearing, resisting arrest and attempted bribery, Southgate reversed his decision.
Maguire, who has launched an appeal and said he “did nothing wrong”, was asked about Southgate’s action. “Yeah I understand – obviously I’m disappointed,” he told the BBC. “I love playing for my country, I’m physically good, I’m mentally strong. Mentally I can get over this. I’m a strong lad. I’m physically and mentally ready to play [so] no, I’m disappointed. But of course I understand.”
The incident occurred on Mykonos last week, Maguire having been pictured during the day enjoying alcohol. Maguire was asked whether that had been a factor.“I’m not going to sit here and say I didn’t have a drink all day,” he said. “I had a few drinks. Anybody who knows me, anybody who knows who has been out with me, knows how I am when I have a few drinks – I’m always aware, I always stay in control. I definitely really wasn’t drunk. I knew what was going off. I just found myself in a bad situation.”
Maguire admitted he may now decide to holiday with security. “It’s changed my mind on that – with the security it’s something I have to look into,” he said. “I don’t want to do it, I don’t want security coming away with me; I don’t feel like I should need to. But in the current climate and the situation i found myself in, would it have helped? Yeah for sure.” Maguire has no misgivings about going to Mykonos. “I don’t see myself as regretting going out there. I’ve been before and had a great time,” he said.
Maguire is confident his form will not be affected. “I don’t think it will affect my performances,” he said. “If you spoke to my family over the past few days they’d tell you I’ve been the strongest out of all of them [involved in this]. Obviously its a tough time – speaking about it makes me angry, I feel myself working up a bit when I speak about the events and obviously speak about what happened to the girls and especially my sister [Daisy].”
It was put to Maguire that the prosecution lawyer had cast doubt on the claim that Daisy had been approached by two men and injected with a substance that affected her.“I’m confident that something happened with Daisy,” he said. “There was a mark on her arm, she had a little stamp mark on her arm, a little you can call it a needle mark on her arm as well. So I’m 100% confident. She was fine, she wasn’t drunk. Then she finds herself going in and out of consciousness.” There was a claim that Maguire’s sister had not mentioned this to the police. “It made me angry because not one of the police department interviewed any of our people. So I’d like to see the record of this interview because Daisy for sure didn’t get interviewed,” he said.
Magure is not concerned that because the appeal may take between one and two years to be heard this might affect him. “I’ll put it to one side,” he said. “I makes me feel a bit angry inside but I’m sure for me I’ll move on.”
That comment you were responding to, when I saw it, I was thinking this is the first time in a very long time that I can think of that majority of the posters on here are pretty much in agreement. Almost everyone been posting along the lines that that Maguire needs backing, at least till a proper trial can be held and all sides can give a proper account of what happened. Seems like maybe only 2-3 people that are adamant he is guilty of the charges, just a large volume of posts by them then going back and forth.
A healthy amount of scepticism is far more reasonable than the "Not our 'Arry! Those dirty Greeks!" narrative being shat out on here.
I'm not sure how the general public in England would have any sway on the legal system all the way over in Greece....
Plus you know, he's said that they didn't interview any of them when the Police say they did. He's asked for the transcript of the interview. You don't say stuff like that on national TV if you're lieing. Because it's pretty easy to get hold of. Which if it was published, would confirm he's a liar.
Oh well. Thanks a lot by the way.
Lots of interesting and conflicting replies below his tweet
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Really? I just see messages of support along with the usual crap banter from troll accounts and rival fans.
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