I'm not sure what you meant by 'they basically allowed Ole to do whatever he wants' if you were only referring to the Maguire deal.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) get the depressing job of reviewing United's 3-0 loss at Old Trafford to Liverpool. They discuss what went wrong, Casemiro's day to forget, and the pressure now on Erik Ten Hag. They also take some time to give McTominay a proper farewell, and give their overall thoughts on the Summer Transfer Window.
Actually I was referring to the transfers in that particular transfer window. Apologies
Erik cannot publicly say that he doesnt want a player who is still with us. He would never do that, but United accepting offer for Maguire and the only reason him still being here being that he refused, speaks louder than anything Erik can say
He refused offer because he had backing from his manager that he will get his minutes. He wouldn't refuse it if manager said to him that he is not in his plans.
Yeah, it is that simple.
Good news that he stays.
The old admin would certainly do that. They would figure out that they would struggle to make more then 4 signings per year hence keeping what we have is better according to their books. INEOS are different though. At 190k a week, Maguire is the highest paid CB at the club. If he doesn't play week in week out then Martinez, Yoro or/and any first teamer would come knocking at the manager's door asking for a pay rise. Currently they can cling to the fact that Maguire's contract is old admin's work. However if we renew his contract then it will be done by INEOS. So unless Maguire accept a squad player's salary then he'll be let go.
Maguire getting a new deal would be great if he reduces his salary. Given he’s on a big whack and clearly wants to stay, I reckon he would drop a decent amount. I don’t think he’s got great sale value (realistically how much can we get for him? The WHUM offer was only £30m and supposedly that included add ons, it’s a crap fee for a very solid CB). Our wage bill is ok now, we don’t have to jettison every single player.
The guy is the epitome of being comfortably mediocre. And he was our captain
Why?
Suitable squad player - I was a hater but he's grown on me a lot with his professionalism.
the irrational seething hatred of Maguire sprinkled in with Ole hate. Perfect caf thread.Our best centre back last season. If there's one that needs selling it's Lindelof.
And it's fun going against the fuming masses.
Lindelof (especially in current system) is twice the player than Maguire is.
I'm amazed there's anyone left that still rates Lindelof above Maguire in any system.
The current system is the awful one from last season until we see otherwise.
Lindelof is not better than Maguire and never has been.
If you had to sell one, it is Lindelof every single time
The same manager that gave ok to the club to accept offer for him?
Reasons?
1. He's the best centre back in our squad that we can rely on to stay fit.
2. He has shown he will remain very professional and put his best foot forward when not being first choice.
3. In a squad riddled with injuries he is a bit of an iron man with this being his first injury of note in years.
He didnt leave last season as the club didnt pay him off to go West Ham. He stayed for a comfy life on cash after being dropped and having the captaincy taken away from him. And now weve been in for several defenders, but... the manager still 'values him
I'm glad there's still some sensible takes on here regarding the Maguire or Lindelof thing.
The below was my post in reply to someone, who thought Lindelof is some good player that's been held back by Maguire:
The below was my post in reply to someone, who thought Lindelof is some good player that's been held back by Maguire:
He got injured last season.
He is on massive wages despite not even being our first choice.
As a personality he is great but as a player he doesn't fit the system. Getting rid of his wages should be a priority
He's missed 33 games in the last 6 years.
Our wage structure is very healthy.
We don't have a system and if we do it clearly suits him as he was very good last year.
It’s been clear since he first signed that Lindelof was too meak a defender. The fact he has stayed for so long is an example of our poor organization.
It isn't really. He lacks pace and his wages are far too high to be a backup centre half. Inevitable though because I don't think we were ever going to be able to rid ourselves of Lindelof and Maguire in the same window.
I don't mind that he stays since he's a good 4th choice center back. I'm glad our bottom of the barrel has moved from Jones, Martial, DVB to Maguire.
Varane who was dropped for Maguire at the start of the season? If you say so.
That was more due to Ten Hag having a weird idea about having a rightfooted and a leftfooted centerback. As soon as Varane got back in the lineup we looked much better.
No we didn't. We were terrible all season.
He was good at defending, but our overall play from the back and especially Onana suffered from having him in front.
We looked a different team when it was finally Licha back, and our best performance was with Varane and Licha together.
We slowly got better in the last matches of the season. Without Maguire.
Like I said above he was good at defending but our play from the back suffered with him in front of Onana.
If Yoro learns anything from Maguire, we’re screwed.
Varane being injured and unfit is world's apart from being dropped for Maguire. I know people cling on to this small grain in order to elevate Maguire but it is laughable at best. I wouldn't use that as an excuse to keep him. It is like some United fans have Stockholm syndrome with players. Keep making excuses and cling on to them as some form of loyalty. Maguire has the turning speed of an oil tanker, the entire team has to adjust to his weaknesses by playing deeper and he has zero upsides. Big clubs with aspirations to win bin players like him off.
People constantly bang on about his great character and that's also a myth. If he had great character and desire, he would have jumped at the chance to be first choice at another club in order to maintain his Engand career. He chose to settle and get comfortable because he thought Southgate's nepotism will prevail and he will simply get picked for being liked.
United should get rid and give his minutes to top players coming through the academy or buy a new center back. This is also an opportunity for Ten Hag to show his mettle. Tolerate below par standards in the name of loyalty and you will be sacked faster then you think. This is NOT some tiny bakery club, Manchester United must become ruthless if it wants to reach the same heights.
Like the the 4-0 to Palace?
When we changed tactics for the last 3 games and actually played a midfield you mean?
Varane played 20 minutes of the last league game.
Look against City.
I would like to keep Maguire if he wasnt on such high wages and was likely going to be 3 or even 4th choice next season. His attitude is great and in the air he is probably our best player.
But he really isnt good enough under pressure on the ball for our system.
A new contract on lower wages and its fine.
A game where barely left our own half/box? Doesn't prove anything.
Anyone saying Maguire was better than Varane should not be taken serious.. They clearly have no clue about football..
Maguire was a fine squad player last season, but any team with ambitions should not play him and Lindelof..
Maguire was a fine squad player last season, but any team with ambitions should not play him and Lindelof..
A game where they never really looke threatening to us and we managed to pass between lines, something we have struggled with immensely before that.
Maguire is good defensively but his passing and ball movement under pressure is severely lacking.
Perfectly fine with him staying or selling him for more than his book value. He's a good squad option to have.
If he wants to stay beyond next year, don't trigger the option but renegotiate his salary or allow him to go on a free.
If he wants to stay beyond next year, don't trigger the option but renegotiate his salary or allow him to go on a free.