That's not actually true. He had a shocking month or two after that happened, but then he turned it around and hit probably the best form of his career in the second half of that season. It looked like, after 18 months of inconsistent form, he'd finally stepped up to the level we needed him to be and he continued that good form into the Euro's. God only knows what happened after that as he's struggled massively in the 14 months or so since.
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He put's it out because he 1) he doesn't look around himself to identify any threats. He may as well have blinkers on and run in a donkey derby. and or 2) either DDG doesn't give him a shout, or he doesn't listen to a shout.
It’s also still completely true. De Gea remains a liability and is guaranteed to let us down again before long for which the CBs will get the blame.
Half of these things are you just looking with blinkers on. Look at these things objectively and you’ll see 75% of that stuff is nonsense.
I know he’s not in the Spain reckoning but I didn’t realise Dave was England keeper now. A bold selection.
Definitely DDGs fault.
It took them a long time, it was very obvious early on when Ole seemingly instructed to play a high line. The other issue that people will start to point one day is that Maguire is a soft defender, he isn't a traditional defender nor a throwback one, he refuses to be physical and bully opponents despite his massive frame. In 1986 Maguire wouldn't make the bench because he lacks aggression.
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I don't know if the quotes are true, I mean it wasnt even him saying all these stuffs.
But whatever it is I feel like more people will warm up to him more if he says something like "I will work hard and follow the boss instructions to get better, it's for the club and the fans". The blaming and finger pointing won't get him anywhere now that he's become a meme. He doesn't need to make his team mates bad in order to make himself look good.
But whatever it is I feel like more people will warm up to him more if he says something like "I will work hard and follow the boss instructions to get better, it's for the club and the fans". The blaming and finger pointing won't get him anywhere now that he's become a meme. He doesn't need to make his team mates bad in order to make himself look good.
I wish people saying its not his fault we paid so much money for him as an excuse that he is rated at a higher standard than he is. Its nonsense. Lets say Im a developer working for a mid range company and then the big boys Google/Apple poach me and pay me triple wages. When I take the job I know I have to go up levels and be 100 percent 24/7. Anything else is unacceptable. I cant be sht and say 'Oh its not my fault you paid me so much. You thought I was better than I am.' Nope its not how it works. Its implied and known when you step into a big club the expectations are higher and its known if its a higher wage you are expected to be at a higher level. If you cant handle it dont take the job. Lots of people dont because they know they cant do what's expected.
You’re doing it for clicks or you’re an idiot. However, that mentality started before Maguire/Williams . I’ve long heard undertones of that, where footballers/managers say it without saying it. Maguire/Williams are the first to just outright say it
Tactically, it's there to be exploited by any coaching staff or players doing their homework.
Yes, no kind of throwback because the principles of cynical defending are completely absent. Every time he's call old school, I wonder what kind of old school that person is referring to.
Matic being the voice of reason. Good on him!
I don't know where the reason is in that statement. There is nothing about this topic outside of that sentence, should Maguire be exempt of criticism? Keep in mind that Maguire was himself happy to publicly point the finger at his teammates not so long ago. Maguire shouldn't be insulted or slandered but there shouldn't be issues with criticism about his game and limitations.
And a better crosser as well.
Should have made clear I meant in regards to insults coming his way. I agree with your post.
My first thought was that it came from someone in his family, like his sister or wife. The DDG comments suggests its someone that reads twitter, so probably not his mum. If they do come from him then its pretty bad of course.
There's a difference between justifiable criticism, unjustifiable criticism, critical criticism and outright abuse.
I don't think anyone has every said Maguire should be free from justifiable criticism.
And the article doesn't make the distinction which is my point. Also abuse isn't criticism, if that's what they are talking about then just mention it otherwise the point made is wrong.
You said a whole lot of nothing to be fair. “Twitter generation in a nutshell”. Give over.
Guy posted a video and laughed. If that’s going to coerce people into anything then
Also, at no point is it said that other players don’t make mistakes and that compilations can’t be made out of them, but people have the capacity to speak about specific players, and he chose to speak about Maguire.And in the clip, if the “safer than sorry” was his approach, booting the ball up the pitch surely would have been the safer option rather than conceding a corner, no? Horrible spatial awareness, which is a recurrent theme with him
I am outside of this maelstrom because I don't even have a twitter account. For people living in the UK where it is easy to be exposed to all this publicity, I can understand people being fed up with the criticism of even someone like Maguire. However, I do think he is a bad footballer, though his price tag, lifestyle, and fame and wages don't affect my opinion of him. As long as I am able to think my thoughts about how I view Maguire, I am happy. I don't need to broadcast my reactions to his various performances and PR miscues to feel comfortable in my skin.
Just post them on an internet forum instead?
Yes.
Most rumours are ignored. For example no one gives a feck what Goldbridge or Goal say. However this is not a normal rumour. It was a rumour pushed by Ogden on ESPN and which spread like wildfire. Both media outlet and journalist are considered reputable. A rumour of such magnitude needs to be tackled. However if that had to happen then there's every chance that ESPN or Ogden would be forced to defend their own reputation by exposing the source. That wouldn't be an issue if Maguire was innocent but it would make him look silly if it came from someone close to his camp like for example his agent.
TBH what Maguire's camp probably did made perfect sense. The guy is left rotting on the bench something that is devastating for his career. Football has a very short memory and the last thing a nearly 30 year old CB want is to be remembered as the most expensive flop in football history. The same thing can be said about Henderson ie a goalkeeper who was once considered as the next big thing for England while at Sheffield United only to be left to rot at United. Our club had built a reputation of being happy to let players and their careers rot in the bench unless clubs are willing to meet their overpriced valuation. That might serve the club well but it's a massive hit towards players who actually want to have a productive football career. Which means that we're giving these sort of players no choice but to go on a full scorched earth tactic just to push the club to sell them on a more reasonable price
Give it a restYou said a whole lot of nothing to be fair. “Twitter generation in a nutshell”. Give over.
Guy posted a video and laughed. If that’s going to coerce people into anything then
And in the clip, if the “safer than sorry” was his approach, booting the ball up the pitch surely would have been the safer option rather than conceding a corner, no? Horrible spatial awareness, which is a recurrent theme with him
It was the fans and media who put Maguire on this pedestal when they tried to over rate a nobody into a somebody.
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This is really annoying. Criticising a player is not abuse. We are all smart enough to know what abuse is, it takes the form of attacking someone for their race, religion, sexuality, or aspects of their personality/life that have nothing to do with football eg Pogba, Rashford, and before social media Beckham. No doubt there are other examples.
With Maguire what we have seen is an outcry from United fans because at first he seemed undroppable and immune to criticism from the media & pundits. Then when he was dropped we saw satisfaction and gloating that finally he had been dropped and United were better off for it; who doesn’t like to be proved right?
Now what we’re seeing is a response to his blame shifting , arrogance /delusion , and the people attacking fans in their attempt to defend him.
A source close to Maguire who isn't actually close to Maguire
Again, I disagree, both in your opinion of media and journalist, as well as of the necessity to respond to such a rumour.
And the idea that if the public figure goes out to deny rumours, then the journalist/media need to defend their own reputation is simply not true. Journalists will always claim they will protect their sources and a reveal would only happen if there is an actual lawsuit about false claims.
Maguire will look silly if he steps forward to deny the rumours. There is no win for him here if he speaks.
So Maguire apparently also said England were let down by their attack . This guy never takes responsibility
. This guy never takes responsibilityApparently.So Maguire apparently also said England were let down by their attack
Hi, this post was not an insult to the person I replied to. It was basically speaking about Williams and Maguire’s recent comments which I clearly disagree with as I think it shows a disrespect to the views of football fans.
I agree. There are players that can become even better when getting a big move (Martinez) and others that crumble or get comfortable. Maguire for sure did not go up levels at United. The sounds we are getting now, most likely from his agents, make him look very poor. For all the issues of pace, the most distressing one is about ambition IMO. Not a Man Utd player.
Well Matic basically just said they have no lives of their own so they criticize him instead. Clearly there is a disconnect between professional footballers and your perceived view as a fan.
I agree. In their ideal world fans would come to matches, cheer, buy merchandise go home click, like and share their posts and have no opinion other than blind faith.
Williams / Matic could have easily defended Maguire without throwing fans under the bus. Eg “yeah his out the team, it happens to everyone but he’s a top pro and will take his chance when it comes” type of comment. No rational fan would feel offended by that comment and opinion.
To be honest, no rational fan would be offended by what they have said either.
I agree with you on that. He can always address it behind closed doors to teammates, that's what matters.
Provided of course it's not coming from him, or his people.
How did you or the author of that tweet get that from that clip? All Ogden confirmed there was that the source wasn't Maguire himself and not that the source wasn't close to Maguire!
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