One of the first questions asked was 'Is your source right'
Ogden then goes on to answer the question like its the "sources" opinion and not something Maguire actually said.
His source is himself
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Ogden then goes on to answer the question like its the "sources" opinion and not something Maguire actually said.
His source is himself
Nobody said that the source is Maguire himself. It’s mentioned by Ogden that the source is close to Maguire. How do you know the source isn’t close to Maguire ?
You're just seeing what you want. He's just retelling his article.
The lengths some people go to to defend Maguire is truly mindboggling.
So because he said the source is not Maguire that means the sourse is himself, what?
The report literally says "source close to Maguire". At no point was it presented as Maguire himself. The clip is just Ogden reiterating that the source is not Maguire.
I have a source that tells me he didn't say it. It's exactly the same thing as Ogden has done, yes?
I'm not defending Maguire I'm simply not believing a story with zero proof that he actually said it .Well except the source that cannot be named which is very convenient.
Tell me, do you believe everything that a journalist says, especially articles with no evidence to back it up, Or do you simply believe the ones you want to believe and rubbish the ones you don't?.
Lets not forget that Sir Alex Ferguson banned Ogden from the press room at Old Trafford for talking bollocks.
If evidence comes out that he actually said what he said then that's a completely different story, but it hasn't and until then ill treat the story like it deserves to be treated.
Football is about opinions. You don’t find 3 professional footballers calling fans “stupid” “click baiting” “having no lives” simply because they express an opinion about Maguire as being disrespectful to fans?
I’d say it was disrespectful even if they were speaking about fans expressing an opinion I disagreed with. On Monday night football, do you ever hear Gary Neville or Charagher refer to the other as stupid, having no life, or attention seeking simply because one has an opinion that the other disagrees with?
But the ironic thing, is that it is often pundits (not the two I mentioned) who say outlandish things online. Things that genuinely sound bizarre, make no sense, and you do have to wonder if they are doing to increase traffic and interactions on their social media.
"The report literally says "sources close to Maguire" What source? The great unnamed?
Come on. Its the journalists get out of free card, they can make up any bull-crap they want and defer any accountability to the story behind immunity of source.
I don’t listen to what most fans say because they’re idiots, and they’re not directing vitriol at me like they do the players, so no I don’t find it disrespectful in the slightest.
No, it would’ve been better. Chris Smalling knows how to defend, on top of being rapid and a far superior athlete to Maguire.
Ogden is a journalist with a long standing career in the field with sources and with procedures he follows because he does it professionally.
You are Zippycup on Redcafe.
Ogden was literally the only reporter willing to print this story on Maguire. How many other journalists did the ‘source’ go to before him?
Where do you draw the line with not believing articles without named sources?
The order of probability is Maguire, or someone close to him has been leaking to the press. There is enough circumstancial evidence to corroborate that. Mainly the obscene amount of leaks and dressing room stories that have come out since he joined.
Is he the only leaker, highly unlikely; is he or a representative of his leaking, most likely.
Your stance is that you will not believe any article if the journalist doesn't betray their source. In that case there is going to be an incredibly small amount of articles that qualify for the Zippycup mark of excellence.
I have no special love for Maguire. But given the source of the quotes was Mark Ogden. I don't trust them one bit
If he were to give his source up, he wouldn’t have sources. It’s the nature of journalism. If you choose not to believe him or his reports, you have the right to do so, but banging keyboard about “oh he’s making it up” is a bit of an odd approach. I mean Maguire could vehemently deny the reports if he feels strongly about it
It's odd how he answers the question like it's his own opinion, almost forgetting he's talking about a 'source' at all.
That's because the presenter asked him "has he got a point, Mark, your source?" and he was indeed giving his opinion after that.
Wait, how can he deny the reports if they're anonymous? Should he have to come out and say "that's not how I feel!!" everytime there's rumours circulating around?
And interestingly he agrees with everything the 'source' said.
If you are this lazy, you are unlikely to get out of the newbies. Keep trying.
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I don't care what he said, if he said. He is not a very good defender and that he is out of form is making the matter worse. Hope he recovers because we need a good backup CB.
It doesn't matter what he is or what he claims to be.
Ogden is a journalist with a long standing career in the field with sources and with procedures he follows because he does it professionally.
You are Zippycup on Redcafe.
Suddenly Odgen is trustworthy because the story is a negative one about Maguire. Fecking Odgen of all people. Behave.
Point is. If you can't prove your source then it's pointless.
The very large majority of journalists, especially sports journalists make their money by creating stories. I'm sure you know this.
You should read up about how journalism works. You are embarrassing yourself here.
Not trying to weigh in your debate but revealing source is definitely not what journalists do.
I agree with the conclusion and point D is an important one.
It's indeed interesting, a journalist potentially keeping his source happy.
Because within just a few seconds it switches from "the source thinks" to "I think"
Amazing how Ogden has found a source that believes exactly what he does. Even down to the wording.
Because I don't believe Odgen? Bloody hell. You do know who Mark Odgen is?
Bloody hell. Suddenly journalists are trust worthy and their stories must be taken as gospel. I'd guarantee had this story broke about a popular player everyone would be calling him out on his bullshit.
So much pressure on the guy…it’s getting ridiculous now.
Feel for him tbh must feel like the world is against him.
Feel for him tbh must feel like the world is against him.
It's hard to take any of your arguments seriously when you intentionally posted a misleading summation of a Twitter video. It's not just journalism you need to brush up on.
I don't think Ogden is a good football journalist, but come on mate, you are better than this.
The host asked Ogden's opinion on what the "source" said, hence why Ogden said "I think" and gave his opinion on what the source said.
First time I hear someone holding bench is under pressure. He's free to ask to leave and find a new club.
However, that's not what Mr. Billy Big Bollocks wants - he wants to go on about being United captain while being an utterly mediocre in his position and then cries for sympathy.
As I've mentioned before, you people need to decide if you want to treat him like a United captain or a youth product. If he wants to be captain, pressure is the least he'd expect from both United and England fans.
What do you mean better than this? I'm not alleging something terrible or wildly outlandish.
Ogden has apparently found a source close to Maguire who believes exactly what he does, word for word. What an incredible coincidence.
You can believe that if you want to.
I believe sports journalists make things up. I believe this source is just Mark Ogden and his opinion. But dressed up as a source it gets a lot more attention.
Like we've seen in this thread, with lots full on believing its Maguire himself.
I'm amazed so many posters still think football journalists are men of integrity who would never invent a story.
I see, I don't believe the veracity of Ogden's report too, I thought your post earlier meant that Ogden inadvertently admitted he is the source which didn't happen.
He could easily distance himself from said reports by saying neither him or anyone close to him said or believe such things. Hell, even a tweet would do. And I did say “if he felt strongly about it”
Every now and again, a poster comes along with vehement support for a player that doesn't make any sense considering their form and makes me think they must be a family member.
Happy to consider your argument. Which of the above are objectively untrue?
He comes across as such an insecure person. “I didnt get dropped so I must have been great” “I made the team of the tournament” Like bro, you’re riding the bench and your national team just lost, maybe just let your football do the talking.
The pro maguire brigade presenting themselves as voices of reason and being better fans. Typical.
Instead of worrying about whether the source is legit or who it is, can we just focus on the fact Maguire is shit and is nowhere near good enough for Utd. Never mind stripped of captaincy, he shouldn’t even have a place in the squad.
Even ETH has improved nearly every player who struggled last two years, yet Maguire is still rubbish. My source agrees he’s crap.
Even ETH has improved nearly every player who struggled last two years, yet Maguire is still rubbish. My source agrees he’s crap.
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