That's simply not true. Not now anyway.
No matter what he does he will be critised for it. That's how far it's gone.
As a fan base I'd expect us to defend him. Not against any criticism of his performances but against the vile abuse he is receiving
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No matter what he does he will be critised for it. That's how far it's gone.
As a fan base I'd expect us to defend him. Not against any criticism of his performances but against the vile abuse he is receiving
Harry Maguire + high standards =Yes, I'm his mum. Great retort
The fact that you're resorting to such immature actions suggests to me that you know I'm right.
I'll say it again. Maguire is getting abuse for no other reason than it's popular to do so. Even when he plays well he gets abuse from his own fans. No player past or present could perform to a high standard in those conditions.
So did Shaw and Fred but we're not seeing the same "look how much better we are without them" posts (also ignores that we've defended deeper and avoided playing out from the back since the first two games). Maybe it's not as fashionable to pile in on those two.
Defend a player who has slagged off players in his own team in public?
phew! Some actual good posts in here!
Has he? Or are you believing the reports that said he did? Mark Ogden I believe it was who reported this rumour using an unnamed source.
The same Mark Ogden who got banned from the press room by SAF.
Anyway. This is the last post I can post today.
It would change if he was putting in great performances, but he’s not, no where near.
On top of that he’s spent a large amount of time telling the media he’s great and his form his fine, then slagging off his team mates. I’ll also remind you that he’s the captain of Manchester United.
For his own good and our's he needs to leave asap. It's not going to work out and it's not going to get better. If he cost 30m and wasn't the captain he would never get this amount of hate.
If it wasn't true he could easily come out and rubbish it. Which he has done once before. His silence now paints a pretty clear picture.
I like how Maguire's defender have the exact same mindset as him, let's all blame other players instead. Maybe they just think like him, or may be...
Say the guy who is top poster on Ronaldo thread last season with ~100% negative post, and mention him negatively almost everywhere in the forum.
As an United captain I'd expect him to defend and support his teammate, not throwing them under the bus to save himself.
Commenting on rumours only feeds the machine. It's what the people who invent the rumours want. That's be jackpot for them. You can't respond to every single story.
Wow, this guy is so deluded. Going on about team of the tournament and yet goes on about not caring for the opinion of others.
By the way, here is the full talkSPORT interview which the "I went to the Euros after an eight-week injury and got into the team of the tournament." quote comes from:
"I am all good, ready to play, I feel fit and fresh.
On my form, I don’t know what has been said, I don’t really read about it.
I came off the back of three positive games with England in the summer, and a good pre-season, I felt really good.
Obviously, the manager [Erik ten Hag] decided to leave me out for a game, and the team have been winning since.
I am working hard on the training pitch to make sure I am ready for when my opportunity comes. That is all what I can do to try and help the team.
I am not concentrating on anybody else and what people are saying, I think if people can make a story about me, I am Manchester United captain, it is going to make big news
So, that is the reason they do it, they like the clicks, and things like that, but I went into the Euros after an eight-week injury, and did not play one game, and got into the team of the tournament.
In terms of rustiness, and things like that, I am sure that won’t happen.”
It is also worth adding that the original article about this Interview suggests he was asked about whether or not his club form will affect his standing for England.
As is usually the case with these "outrageous" quotes from players/managers, it's not nearly as outlandish when taken in context. I doubt it'll stop people from using this against him for the next six months, though.
"I am all good, ready to play, I feel fit and fresh.
On my form, I don’t know what has been said, I don’t really read about it.
I came off the back of three positive games with England in the summer, and a good pre-season, I felt really good.
Obviously, the manager [Erik ten Hag] decided to leave me out for a game, and the team have been winning since.
I am working hard on the training pitch to make sure I am ready for when my opportunity comes. That is all what I can do to try and help the team.
I am not concentrating on anybody else and what people are saying, I think if people can make a story about me, I am Manchester United captain, it is going to make big news
So, that is the reason they do it, they like the clicks, and things like that, but I went into the Euros after an eight-week injury, and did not play one game, and got into the team of the tournament.
In terms of rustiness, and things like that, I am sure that won’t happen.”
It is also worth adding that the original article about this Interview suggests he was asked about whether or not his club form will affect his standing for England.
As is usually the case with these "outrageous" quotes from players/managers, it's not nearly as outlandish when taken in context. I doubt it'll stop people from using this against him for the next six months, though.
Well obviously his comments and attitude would be scrutinised less if he wasn’t captain of the team.
If his performance’s were the same he would still be criticised like Lindelof & Baily have been who cost 30m
So if you criticise a professional footballer on obscene amounts of money a week, who is the captain of your club (and a poor one at that), who frequently delivers shite performances - it’s seen as you’re ‘doing it for clicks’.
What an arrogant muppet this guy is.
What an arrogant muppet this guy is.
The first he had no control over whatsoever and the second few would turn down. Far, far better players tha him, eg Scholes, have not proven cut out to be captain.
Even with context they aren't exactly a good look on him. The 3 positive games, england failed to win any of them and failed to keep a cleansheet in 2 of the 3. He could have stopped after the try and help the team bit, but he can't help himself, he clearly wants to defend himself but is too much of a coward to state it outright fearing more criticism.
Why did he comment on other rumours then?
Which is still a lot less than Maguire currently.
All well and good but its not like I made the rules. It is what it is.
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If and when he ups his game for United we'll get to test that theory. That would mean not only providing defensive solidity at the back, but also cutting out the silly mistakes, and moving the ball on a little quicker instead of slowing down the play. If he goes out there consistently putting on 7/8/9 out 10 performances there'll bit much less criticism.
I can't quite decide who's more deluded in this whole situation - Maguire who genuinely seems to believe he's actually a top 6 CB or the cult-like defenders on here, in the media and in the general football world who keep saying he's either not as bad or actually good despite all evidence to the contrary.
Absolute madness
Wouldn't have looked out of place in todays Youtube Allstars vs Sidemen game.
Couldn't agree more. Even dragging his performances for a B-tier national side into it now.
Ouch brutal
Pogba says hi.
We are much better without Shaw and Fred, and Maguire.
The last few pages have basically been a “Leave Harry alone!” Meme
I imagine he's referring to his own performance in those matches rather than the team as a whole (I can't remember how he played in any of them so I can't comment as to whether or not that's fair), and he was essentially asked to defend his inclusion in the England squad. In that context him being in the Euros team of the tournament is quite relevant.
My point is that when you take these quotes completely out of context, they do indeed make Maguire look like a bit of an arrogant plank. However, they appear far less bad when put next to the rest of the interview and the fact that the reporter had asked him to defend his inclusion in the England squad given his form at club level.
Pogba is not British though. Everyone knows that those usually get a free pass by pundits and most fans. So the abuse Maguire is getting is surprisingly high
I mean I sort of get it when he is roundly mocked and lambasted for pretty much everything he does, and any time people say that this is over the top you get 20 idiots saying the same old "Oh, so we can't even criticise him now?!" crap.
To be fair, Maguire does generally get off pretty easy with the pundits. He just gets an absolutely obscene level of abuse from fans.
Where are you getting this from or basing it on?
All this captain shit and 80 million shit is really desperate stuff to use as a stick to beat him with. First he didn't put that price tag over his head and secondly if he wasn't captain we not suddenly going to become a major force in football once again.
Ashley Young was captain ffs and he often put in dog shit performances.
The way I say from what he's said he is understanding that he is not in the starting line up and will work hard to earn his place. Him taking positives from his performances in the summer in the nations cup for England even though they lost I don't see what the problem is. Just because a team loses does not mean certain players didn't have good games.
Ashley Young was captain ffs and he often put in dog shit performances.
The way I say from what he's said he is understanding that he is not in the starting line up and will work hard to earn his place. Him taking positives from his performances in the summer in the nations cup for England even though they lost I don't see what the problem is. Just because a team loses does not mean certain players didn't have good games.
You don't think there are people/journalists out there generating tweets or stories for clicks?
Yeah, I agree with this but I get the feeling we don't want to admit what a financial mishap it was. It is more of a guess but I could be wrong.
I wonder if there's some sort of financial reason on paper where it makes more sense to keep him e.g. list him as an asset worth 50m rather than sell him for 20m cash. I'm sure one of the guys on here with understanding of corporate finances will be able to answer if that's at all a possibility.
Not or. And.
If the alleged communication issues related to DDG were actually true, well, it should be just as true now. More so maybe now that we don't play with 3 English defenders. We have 2 French, 1 Portuguese and 1 Argentinian all with the same Spanish GK behind them. Last season we had 3 English defenders in the starting lineup.
This is a gross oversimplification. First up, we only have 1 French player, as Malacia is Dutch. However, in addition to that Argentina’s primary language is Spanish (also Dave’s primary language), the French player has been in Spain for a decade (speaking Dave’s primary language) and Portuguese is fairly similar to Spanish so that’s three of the back four that will be able to communicate in Dave’s primary language to a very good level. It’s not unthinkable that Dave has a tendency to struggle with translating his thoughts into English on pitch. I’m not saying it is the case, but it’s a potential source of misunderstanding with the English players.
If his interviews is anything to go buy Dave's English is very good.
I think the reasons Maguire more abuse than many deem appropriate are the following:
Granted, some of these aren't his fault, but the combination of the above so consistently is why he gets the hate he does. A lot of players may have some of the above trait but he embodies all of them.
- His fee
- Becoming captain
- Being deluded (see interviews or the finger in ear celebration)
- Him being undroppable for so long
- Being poor for the majority of his United career and shocking in plenty of games
- Doing absolutely ridiculous things on an number of occasions e.g. taking out his own players
- Hard to qualify this in text but his on field big time Charlie persona where he has to be the one to get on the ball (resulting in taking out his own teammates) and hanging onto the ball like he's about to go on a mazy run, only to just look silly.
Granted, some of these aren't his fault, but the combination of the above so consistently is why he gets the hate he does. A lot of players may have some of the above trait but he embodies all of them.
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