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I would not fault De Gea too much for the Maguire catastrophe which gifted Sevilla the first goal.
First, Maguire held on to the ball for an age, invited pressure and then passed it back to De Gea.
Second, Maguire then clearly called for De Gea to play a short pass to him. His abject lack of awareness led to him making a telegraphed pass which was easily intercepted by Lamela.
In hindsight, De Gea could have punted the ball upfield or even chosen to kick it out like he did against Norwich last season. But clearly, ETH wants us to play out from the back and De Gea wasn't the one who passed the ball to the Sevilla players.
Our captain just doesn't inspire confidence and there's a huge sense of nervousness whenever he gets the ball. Smalling was not the best defender nor was he a great ball playing defender, but I think Ole made a mistake letting the likes of him go and signing Maguire. I've given up on Maguire redeeming himself in United colours as he just seems to always have a calamitous mistake in him.
First, Maguire held on to the ball for an age, invited pressure and then passed it back to De Gea.
Second, Maguire then clearly called for De Gea to play a short pass to him. His abject lack of awareness led to him making a telegraphed pass which was easily intercepted by Lamela.
In hindsight, De Gea could have punted the ball upfield or even chosen to kick it out like he did against Norwich last season. But clearly, ETH wants us to play out from the back and De Gea wasn't the one who passed the ball to the Sevilla players.
Our captain just doesn't inspire confidence and there's a huge sense of nervousness whenever he gets the ball. Smalling was not the best defender nor was he a great ball playing defender, but I think Ole made a mistake letting the likes of him go and signing Maguire. I've given up on Maguire redeeming himself in United colours as he just seems to always have a calamitous mistake in him.
I'm sorry I disagree with this.
Yes, DDG has a portion of blame but it is less than 50%. Firstly, if we want our goal keeper and team to play out the back, those passes are going to happen, players have to deal with that pass, most top teams do.
Secondly, Maguire has asked for the ball, do you know what that means? when a player asks for it, it means they are confident in dealing with the pass, DDG did not pass it without him knowing or anything, he wanted the ball. Its his fault, period.
None of this is relevant to my post, you’re still arguing about what might have happened not what actually did.
Most people have accepted DdGs pass was meh but you’re playing mental gymnastics to avoid how Maguire reacted in the worst way possible.
I hope you’re as loyal to your loved ones as you are to this hopeless case.
De Gea could have done better with that pass. But mistake? It is not. Maguire had options and he fecked up.
OG in 90th minute and gifting first goal yesterday. So yes, he is the main reason why we are out.
And will cost us against Brighton if he will play.
How can't you see what Maguire does to this team? With him defence is shaky, nervous and he invites pressure on that defence.
There are some players that simply are not "United Plsayers" and Harry is one of them. He would have been perfect under a Jose system though (not as the captain) with a deeper back line and more compact shape. But under Ten Hag he simply does not have the mobility, ability and confidence to be the CB we need, let alone a captain and with his wages should not be a backup . He's another that needs to be told he's surplus to requirements.
This!! 100% all this.
He must not play against Brighton. It will cost us
Have only just seen Sevilla's first goal. Both DDG and Maguire should do a lot better but Sevilla's pressing was impressively on point - I wouldn't have been surprised to see a way better ball-playing CB than Maguire get dispossessed too in this situation.
The pathetic attempt at a pass makes this seem more scandalous than it actually is in my opinion.
The pathetic attempt at a pass makes this seem more scandalous than it actually is in my opinion.
Absolute fraud
The first goal
the injuring of Martial (another fraud)
but the worst for me was the slow ponderous play from the back at 2-0 down in the second half
takes him & lindelof minutes to get it out of their half. Terrible player not United quality at all one of many who must be moved on
The first goal
the injuring of Martial (another fraud)
but the worst for me was the slow ponderous play from the back at 2-0 down in the second half
takes him & lindelof minutes to get it out of their half. Terrible player not United quality at all one of many who must be moved on
Anyone noticed relations between him and other players? There is no love there. Especially with De Gea.
I don't give a coins toss.
Not sure why you’re tagging me in this, I don’t think I ever disagreed with your criticism of Maguire?
The idea is to invite the pressure, invite the press to then play through it. He ask for the ball, but he doesn't get the ball he wants. He wants it in front of him not behind him. The pass is bobbly and poorly placed and puts Maguire firmly in the shit. Forcing Maguire to check himself and turn his back on the play.
Maguire fecks up of course but he has been put in a massive hole by his GK there.
we have to let him go for sure. i am sure he can be a valuable player for someone else but he is no united material.
No they’re not. In fact I would say that’s the very situation we need to avoid if we want to play out from the back. Playing out from the back isn’t about being isolated, surrounded by 3 players facing your own goal just outside the area. It’s suicidal football no matter who that pass is being played to, the fact it was Maguire only makes it riskier.
I'm not loyal to Maguire. I've already said he panicked in typical fashion, but if you know he's not great on the ball, at least give him a chance by giving him a good pass.
He was dropped into a poor situation by a poor pass by his team mate. He might have handled it better, but putting all the blame on him is wrong.
He shouldn't have been calling for that ball last night if he wasnt prepared to receive it and not know what hes doing with it with 3 players there around him.. But at same time DeDea should be experieced enough to see that and not play him that pass.
At the end of the day, we wont be a top team and compete against the best with Maguire starting. Ten Hag seen that this season, dropped him, but now unfortunately hes stuck with him for the remainder of the games.
I think we are in a bit of trouble for this run in
At the end of the day, we wont be a top team and compete against the best with Maguire starting. Ten Hag seen that this season, dropped him, but now unfortunately hes stuck with him for the remainder of the games.
I think we are in a bit of trouble for this run in
Urm.... yes they are if you want to play out the back. I have seen Lisandro deal with those passes and get out a press, that is what playing out from the back is, break the press.
How is it suicide when the player is asking for the football?
honestly, I think if that same pass was played to Varane or Licha, that panic mistake isnt happening. They would have the sense to let it roll and play it on, or just hoof it away from the danger
Really cannot understand how people including former pros on tv as pundits cannot see this.
Maguire did ask for the ball but he certainly wouldn't have wanted the pass that De Gea gave him. He was moving across the field so a quick pass into his stride was what he should have got back. It would still have been a somewhat dangerous position as one Sevilla player would have been right on him, but he would have had more options and more space to play into while also having vision of more of the field. If he'd messed it up it in that situation it absolutely would have been mostly Maguire's fault. Instead De Gea made a slow pass straight at the position Maguire was in despite the fact Maguire was moving across the field with his momentum taking him away from that spot. It being a weak pass straight into the middle of three different opposition players meant they had more time to press him from every direction, and it being behind where Maguire was moving meant to he had to check back and be caught flat footed. At that point he couldn't pass it back to De Gea, he couldn't pass it out to AWB (which is what he tried to do and messed it up), he couldn't pass it to Lindelof or Dalot on his right, he couldn't turn to his right and progress the ball that way. The only things Maguire could do in that situation was either boot the ball out of play or make a fairly risky turn to his left into space. It might have worked and Martinez likely would have done it, but I wouldn't have been confident in any of our other central defenders. Maguire obviously least of all, but even with Varane, Lindelof or Shaw I'd have had my heart in my mouth.
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Yep, I think as much as Maguire obviously messes up (just sky it towards the corner flag if you need to get rid) De Gea is getting away with it a bit here. His pass was both slow, and forced Maguire to turn back, limiting his options. A better defender could have played their way out of it, but a better pass from the keeper would have negated the need.
Is the correct answer
More convinced now that Maguire could turn towards our goal and rifle a shot into the top right hand corner and he'd still have lads defending him and explaining how it was someone else's fault
noticed this in the Ole meltdown season. He was nowhere to be seen, always Bruno doing the speaking
Same goes for the pass Maguire gave De Gea before he then demanded it back.
Under no circumstances, when Harry Maguire is playing, should we be "inviting pressure" onto our defence. None. If Harry has to play and he gets the ball, he boots it up field or out of play ASAP. This has to be an instruction from the manager unfortunately.
If De Gea gives him a hospital ball, he has to have the awareness to boot it out of play because he simply isn't going to dribble 2/3 defenders in like Martinez can.
If De Gea gives him a hospital ball, he has to have the awareness to boot it out of play because he simply isn't going to dribble 2/3 defenders in like Martinez can.
This is Maguire we're talking about. Mr. Don't have to prove myself. He won't see it that way. He's the complete footballer in his own mind.
I have already said Maguire makes entire team nervous, so you are wrong. I can see how shit Maguire is and also can see how shit De Gea is.
Never disliked a United player as much as him in my life. Cannot wait for the nightmare to be over…although I fear it won’t be this summer.
What was wrong with Maguires pass back?
It really wasnt and it's a weird agenda to try and defend him.
It was so easy for a player to deal with and there was no reason he could not have let the room and turn around as the pass intended him to do so.
Maguire just completely panicked and that's all there is to that
The only - literally only - player that boils my piss when I see him on the teamsheet.
I hope we can get a decent sum for him and use that to get a new young CD. I still think Maguire can be a good player for a different team and system. For us, he both does not fit and IMO he is beyond saving in terms of confidence.
It's the first time I've actually hated a current United player. Sure I've disliked players but first time I've actually hated one
this.
Wonder if Southgate watched this game..
Honestly mate, coaching probably isn’t for you. If you’re teaching kids to pass to their team mates weaker foot every time, they ain’t going to make it.
Back foot….this ain’t a back foot cover drive in cricket mate.
I don't hate him but I hope he never plays for United again. He'd be decent in mid/low table team.
Disagree. Could have taken it on the turn and accelerate away from the 3 players. But telling Maguire to accelerate is like telling pigs to fly.
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