If he scored a hatrick there would be posters on here complaining he spent too much time in the opposition half 
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Uh huh. Obviously he's never going to score a hat trickIf he scored a hatrick there would be posters on here complaining he spent too much time in the opposition half
There's a reason for him doing it.
He's aware that he's the slowest footballer on the pitch, so he does the biggest gap between opposition players not get mugged and made a fool.
This way, he's covering his poor defending on large spaces.
He's by far the worst defender we had in over 20 years of me watching us play.
Wes Brown and John o'Shea are phd. defenders for him.
That's actually a brilliant assessment.
Needs to move the ball quicker when he has it.
The entire backline + midfield play at a certain pace with movements then when he ultimately gets the ball, he slows it down so much, the team just loses the movement momentum it was building up.
The entire backline + midfield play at a certain pace with movements then when he ultimately gets the ball, he slows it down so much, the team just loses the movement momentum it was building up.
And obviously you cannot read between the lines.
I thought he did ok tbf, feels as though no matter how he plays, he'll get criticised.
I felt for the defence in the first half, i thought we were poor in midfield and had very little options to move the ball forward, which slowed the play down and made us easy to play against. Bringing Casemiro on at HT helped the whole team and gave the defence more options.
Everyone knows he's slow and is no longer first choice, but gave a solid performance imo.
I felt for the defence in the first half, i thought we were poor in midfield and had very little options to move the ball forward, which slowed the play down and made us easy to play against. Bringing Casemiro on at HT helped the whole team and gave the defence more options.
Everyone knows he's slow and is no longer first choice, but gave a solid performance imo.
I got slaughtered when I said we weren't upgrading Smalling with him way back then
I feel like we might recoup good money for him. If he's asked to defend deep he can do a job. He's a good passer, and good at defending set pieces. There should be some EPL clubs after him.
I don't know if he's regressed or we just have genuinely good players now, but I don't remember him being so slow on the ball when we first got him.
Honestly I think people don't watch the game at times. He had a huge part to play in there goal. A man is bursting free in to the box, he doesn't see the danger, jogging to the side marking nobody when two united players are behind him marking one player. He doesn't close him or angle down at all, player has plenty of time to take shot and scores.
Bruno is at fault at can't get back in time but Harry doesn't come out fast enough, doesn't close the angle. Instead runs around immediately with his hand up looking for it not to be given. Nightmares from last season coming back. His passing was fine and he won hearders, he's there to stop goals and again he doesn't do it.
Bruno is at fault at can't get back in time but Harry doesn't come out fast enough, doesn't close the angle. Instead runs around immediately with his hand up looking for it not to be given. Nightmares from last season coming back. His passing was fine and he won hearders, he's there to stop goals and again he doesn't do it.
Thought he was ok last night. The worst part was playing Antonio onside for his second 1v1
it wasn’t even close he was about 5 yards back and made the stupid decision to step up.
he was aggressive in the air though and won quite a few duels.
it wasn’t even close he was about 5 yards back and made the stupid decision to step up.
he was aggressive in the air though and won quite a few duels.
Yeah I thought he was trying to emulate Pirlo, with slow & measured passes dictating the speed of the game. Like you say, just seems apparent that he’s unable to operate at a faster tempo. He’s not a bad player but can see he’s completely unsuitable to the high press possession style of play that ETH is steering towards.
I get confused when people say he's a good passer. He really isnt. He pins the ball around without any pace on it which sets the tone of the game because of how long he dilly dallys on the ball. His sweeping balls to the full backs or wingers are always too high and doesn't give it enough dart.
He was ok. That yellow card he got was predictable because it happens too often
Same with that one on one Antonio had. A chance like that would often happen for opposition when we have Maguire / lindelof
It doesn't happen often / rarely when we have varane and Martinez
Same with that one on one Antonio had. A chance like that would often happen for opposition when we have Maguire / lindelof
It doesn't happen often / rarely when we have varane and Martinez
I think he is a decent passer. He dwells on the ball but that's a different issue.
To be fair to him and Lindelof they weren't pressed at all and West Ham decided to completely block our midfield instead.
He's good going forward and is a good passer.
He's good going forward and is a good passer.
I'd say "good" is an overstatement but yeah, generally he was fine. Like you say, at this stage I don't even really need to watch matches to know how Maguire played. Practically regardless of how the match went, some people on here act as though it's the worst performance ever witnessed by a defender. I can safely ignore them and, like you, watch the highlights he's being criticised for. Usually he's either not culpable or far less culpable than people make out.
It is what it is. At this stage there's no point expecting some people to be reasonable in their criticisms; everything has to be dealt with in extremes. He had one or two sloppy moments, and his passing wasn't as crisp as Licha's, but he was fine on the whole. He made no more mistakes than Lindelof or even Licha himself (who apparently "carried" Maguire when he came on); it was reasonably about what you'd expect from the third or fourth choice defender.
Thought he was decent last night. He was aggressive won everything in air, numerous times he won the ball high and started attacks off.
Dominated Antonio on the ground and in the air.
Does seem to get caught for that early antonio one on one though, but I don't think that justs on him Lindelof lets him go with no awareness of where Maguire was and De Gea refuses to sweep allowing Antonio to get a shot away. Clusterfeck all round really.
Much better with Casemiro and Martinez alongside him. Looked like he felt he had support and could go and be at his aggressive best.
Dominated Antonio on the ground and in the air.
Does seem to get caught for that early antonio one on one though, but I don't think that justs on him Lindelof lets him go with no awareness of where Maguire was and De Gea refuses to sweep allowing Antonio to get a shot away. Clusterfeck all round really.
Much better with Casemiro and Martinez alongside him. Looked like he felt he had support and could go and be at his aggressive best.
Exactly. I couldn't believe that. When even Bruno is defending more aggressively than you, you know its time for career counseling
I almost feel sorry for him, as he will struggle at a club like Man Utd, as our centre backs will on occassion, need to deal with 1:1 situations, and he isn't really built for that. International football suits him better, but even then, against the really explosive, clever attacker, he'll struggle.
But he is very good on the ball, espcially when confident, and I think he should consider a role such as the brilliant, briliant Matthias Sammer (for those who may remember him..)
But he is very good on the ball, espcially when confident, and I think he should consider a role such as the brilliant, briliant Matthias Sammer (for those who may remember him..)
EtH is in a good position to make that comment about Maguire and showing him videos.
If we were struggling (and possibly if we have a dip this year) Maguire's mates in the media would be going to work on him.
If we were struggling (and possibly if we have a dip this year) Maguire's mates in the media would be going to work on him.
Yeah that's a fair point
Licha is a much better passer and nearly scored goal of the season last night!
He's normally very good at the diagonal pass out to the left winger/fullback. Even that's been off lately though, with most of them either too hard making it difficult for the player to keep it in or too soft making it easy for the opposition to cut it out. I'm not sure if it's because he's now playing on the right instead of the left, or if it's because he hasn't been playing much this season. He's never been particularly good at any other pass (Lindelof's always been better at passing up through the middle of the pitch or the long ball over the top), but the diagonal out to the left has actually been a good weapon for us over the years.
I wouldn't disagree with that, Martinez is a better footballer than most of the players at Manchester United. But he is a different type of defender to Maguire, and again, this isn't about whether one player should play identical to another ( is Licha 'better' than Varane for example..), it's about how can we get the best out of a player that we continue to be heavily invested in.
That sweeper/libero role would suit Maguire's technical abilities... but you also need to be a leader, organiser, and I'm not sure whether Maguire sees himself that way.
He was always like this but it is standing out way more now that we have the likes of Martinez & Casemiro around. And the team overall plays with much higher tempo and overall intensity.
Horrible first half playing alongside Lindelof but improved second half with Licha by his side. It's not a slight on Lindelof because I'm sure he would of improved if it was him playing alongside Licha but Maguire/Lindelof just don't compliment each other in any shape or form and that horrible experiment should finally be put to death before they damage what is turning out to be a very successful season.
100%, I appreciate due to the amount of games we have rotation is needed, but I think moving forward, only one of them can start in that scenario. That's the 2nd game in recent matches we've had to bring Martinez of the bench to steady the backline. West Ham could have been out of sight in that 1st half.
He was quite good in the second half. It helps when the other cb is Martinez. Every player plays better with Martinez next to him.
Not sure why you're going on hypotheticals, when he is irrefutably, unquestionably, indubitably awful at his job - defending.If he scored a hatrick there would be posters on here complaining he spent too much time in the opposition half
West Ham carved us open several times because him and Lindleof couldn't manage to hold the offside line together - and the less we talk about his dithering on the ball the better.
What is he and Lindelof doing here? Weren't they a CB pairing under OGS?
No you're not - he should have rushed forward and narrowed Benrama's angle, but instead he just stood there as a statue
Lindelof was more shite than him last night which isn't exactly praise(Didn't help that Mctominay was terrible). Maguire is a fine back up option and useful as sub but thats about it. There's no way he will be here next season.
I think its gone too far for even that, whenever he is about, his teammates, the supporters, everyone just gets so nervous he is going to make one of his feck ups. Its not fair on us, or him, he needs a fresh start somewhere less high profile where winning every match and top notch performances week in week out arent essential, like liverpool.
Mctominay was the main problem last night, neither CB's had a midfielder to pass to because he was AWOL, as soon as Casemiro came on everything speeded up because he positioned himself to receive the ball from his CB's
Why was he so deep?
So if he is what you say he is then why is he a current international for one of the best teams in the world and regarded as one of the best in the last world cup and why does Erik bother picking him at all.
Erik is picking him as fourth choice - he chose to rest Lisandro, Varane and Shaw for Liverpool, hence in comes fridge.
I had no idea who regarded Maguire as one of the best in the last world cup, and couldn't care less that he is a current international, but in any case we play far differently than Southgate's Ingurland
Why was he so deep?
As @buchansleftleg mentioned in the comments "He has an unwavering ability to stand 1 metre deeper than anyone else and then leap forward just as the ball is released and goes past him for the opposition runner" and it's probably because he's so slow he wants to give himself a yard or so of handicap in a sprint with the opposing forward. Or he's just too slow to move with the offside line. What it ends up happening is he fecks up the offside line and he can never catch up to the opposing forward.
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