If you think rangnick is brilliant coach then I can see why you are worried about Maguire. That is probably where our opinions differ
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Played the assister onside, then too slow to stop the cross.
100% at fault for the goal. He's a dud. Sell him.
100% at fault for the goal. He's a dud. Sell him.
Rewatch the sequence (the second replay).
Lindelof was not giving chase until passer released the pass. He kept his eyes on the passer the whole time and held the halfline (offside trap) which is sensible thing to do.
Edit: read your post wrong. My apology.
Yes,Maguire being slow is one thing. Some slow CBs in teams playing high line: Pique Hummels Blind Sule aged Boateng to name a few and they are not as much an issue as Maguire. The main issue with Maguire is that his first instinct is backpedalling, when it should be reading the situation, and being aware of where he is, then act accordingly. This happens all over the years, even in his great form. It's just getting more exposed the more we try to implement a high line.
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The pace of a continent.
Also, blaming Lindelof is nonsensical. He is playing the trap.
Played a player onside, that's where it all started.
He just can't play on high line. Simply...he can't.
We should sell while he has some value on the market. Which we will not even try....
We should sell while he has some value on the market. Which we will not even try....
True enough but as a proactive defender I'd say it's slightly disappointing that he's letting the ball past him that easily considering he's in quite close proximity to it.
I'd attribute this mainly to just a lack of familiarity with the new system and the players not being sharp though; I don't see why any sweeping conclusions are being made on the basis of the second game of pre-season.
Yes, I also think it's too early to conclude he can't play for Ten Hag.
Fully agree. I am tired of the touchiness of people when anyone makes completely valid analyses of why Maguire just isn't good enough to be an undisputed first choice at a club like United.
One of the slowest CBs I've seen. He looks like he's running in custard.
Just awful defending for the goal. He won’t last long under ETH unless he shapes up.
Giflord’s replay made it abundantly clear that Maguire played a role in that goal. Not playing on the line because it was close to the half-way line, sure. But to then lose your man and get completely outpaced despite having 5 yards on him is unacceptable. It’s his 1st game back so maybe he’s still getting up to speed. We’ll see. But in my opinion he doesn’t deserve any goodwill for a starting slot.
He was shite all of last season, has been shite for England this summer and it looks like nothing has changed in pre season.
He's not going to improve, has no situational awareness and would would struggle to catch tree sloths.
It feels wrong being so down on the guy, he's a united player and should be supported, but at the same time the man's a defensive liability.
We concede so many goals as a consequence of his brainfarts.
He's not going to improve, has no situational awareness and would would struggle to catch tree sloths.
It feels wrong being so down on the guy, he's a united player and should be supported, but at the same time the man's a defensive liability.
We concede so many goals as a consequence of his brainfarts.
Came on here expecting Maguire to be blamed for the goal and I'm not surprised by some of the posts. Deary me. It won’t be long until Maguire is blamed for conceded goals when he’s not even playing. While goals happen and mistakes are made, the fact that many wish it upon Maguire to be the culprit is pathetic. If we are going to portion blame to anybody , it lands firmly on Shaw and Lindelof, their positional play was awful.
That’s it. That's how the goal came about. If you're going to portion blame on somebody in a pre-season game, then do so, but do it to the right people.
The play should never have got to a position where that cross came in. People need to start watching the actual game instead of trying to make s~~t up so they can blame a player they dislike.
That’s it. That's how the goal came about. If you're going to portion blame on somebody in a pre-season game, then do so, but do it to the right people.
The play should never have got to a position where that cross came in. People need to start watching the actual game instead of trying to make s~~t up so they can blame a player they dislike.
Lindelof playing the trap hahahahahaha
If you charge out and it causes a goal, you can always fall back on ' I was playing the trap''... Until about under 10s
If you charge out and it causes a goal, you can always fall back on ' I was playing the trap''... Until about under 10s
First he messed the offside trap up and caught Lindelof out, then he managed to let a League Two level player lose him. He's hopeless.
I have a dislike for him and I'm not going to lie about it either. He's one of the purchases during Ole'a tenure here and those have mostly been fecking crap. He static, slow as feck and not very good on the ball.
I think we both agree that ETH has a massive rebuilding to do. That despite having
- a pre season to push his ideology through,
- the coaches he wanted
- the complete support of the board who sees him as the permanent manager
- he'll probably sign 5-6 players (Malacia, FDJ, Martinez, Eriksen, Antony, RB and/or STK)
Rangnick was thrown in the deep end (during a hectic 3 weeks) to manage a highly demotivated and unbalanced team whose former manager had lied to them and had run Rashford to the ground. He (Rangnick) hasn't managed on a regular basis for quite some time (he prefers the role of sporting director then manager), the team was built completely against his strengths (its not built for a high line defence and gegenpressing) and a big chunk of players either wanted out or hated one another. On top of that most of Ole's coaches have left and Rangnick wasn't allowed to bring in his first choice coaches. His coaching staff consisted of some idiot from the MLS and the Scottish guy who keeps getting promoted every two hours or so.
Way bigger managers tanked in their 1-2nd season before they set everything right. Klopp and SAF are clear examples of that, both of whom could rely on a board that is way better then ours.
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Correct. The number of goals Maguire was (not wrongly at times) blamed for on here last season for charging out and not getting the ball. The double standards are a joke.
I haven’t seen it again but I was pretty dismayed at how easy they got out. They absolutely should not have been in a position to play that ball down the line under zero pressure - regardless of whether Lindelof or Maguire were then to blame I’m not sure - but it was ridiculous how easily they cut through from what I remember as being a set goal kick. You can’t play high and give that amount of time on the ball. I’d probably argue having then had that time on the ball the right course of action is to drop not charge forward like Lindelof did.
ETH will know whats wrong with that and who to blame. I suspect he wont allow the same mistake from the same players all the time.
I think Maguire did look awfully slow and hoping thats just cos it was the first few minutes of the first game hes back.
I think Maguire did look awfully slow and hoping thats just cos it was the first few minutes of the first game hes back.
I dont think his value can be much lower than it currently is? He comes of a horrible season where he became an international meme of a defender in a team that was basically the joke in European football. If Manchester United will have an okay season and Maguire will play okay/good at the World Cup (which he might because he is super protected in the England team) his value will rise i think.
Here’s ETH saying what I tried to say but better.
Agree.
Today's goal is precisely what you'd expect to happen with Maguire in the team; plays them onside then doesn't have the pace to keep up.
Three errors from Elanga, Shaw and Lindelof leads to that goal. Maguire gets blamed.
Par for the course from the muppets in here.
Par for the course from the muppets in here.
There is always hope but hoping Maguire wont look slow is a bit of a stretch. He is slow in terms of pace and agility, it is unfortunate but that is just what he is. He isnt the only slow defender in the world at a big club though so being slow doesnt have to be a huge issue.
He is fecking up the offside trap, then runs in a way that allows that cross to reach the goalscorer. Slow in brain, slow in motion. Get rid
You must be having a laugh. Telles is probably one of the most physically deficient players in the league. He has zero pace or acceleration.
Oh, I meant slower than usual
But yes, I agree with the bolded. Being slow isnt an issue if you can read the game. I think Maguire doesnt back himself at all so goes back a few steps to allow him some time , but that eventually ruins any chance of a defensive line or shape or playing offside. Today I believe was an example because if hes a few steps forward the guy ends up being offside.
He is absolutely a liability one player that was available for the pass and he failed to track him. Worse for my is his passing it's just slow and under hit every single time. There is just no zing or zip in his passing. Hate his lack of aggression and progressiveness he will struggle in this system and everyone knows it
I wouldn't blame him in any malicious way but we will turn over possession from time to time (any team does) and it was a good example of him being totally unsuited to playing a high line.
There are three visible mistakes, Lindelof isn't supposed to gamble but contain otherwise it's a foot race between Maguire and two attackers. Maguire makes a mistake or to be accurate he is slow to read the situation and doesn't anticipate the fact that Lindelof will beaten and that his best chance is to cut the potential pass angles. The third mistake is that Shaw is in no man's land.
I could add that Fred and McTominay are useless and that because Shaw was totally engaged in the final third Dalot should have been closer to Maguire or one of the CMs should have dropped in our own half.
I could add that Fred and McTominay are useless and that because Shaw was totally engaged in the final third Dalot should have been closer to Maguire or one of the CMs should have dropped in our own half.
The thing is his lack of pace isnt even his biggest flaw. It's his lack of defensive awareness and lack of mobility (yes that's different to pace).
To elaborate, he's a pretty good defender when defending the way he's facing, but once turned he has terrible def positioning, awareness of danger and ability to readjust his body position.
To elaborate, he's a pretty good defender when defending the way he's facing, but once turned he has terrible def positioning, awareness of danger and ability to readjust his body position.
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I would also say he often looks slower than he is because he is slow to read situations unfolding and he is already a step behind where an elite defender would be.
John Terry would have probably looked just as slow chasing back in the exact same situation but he would not have found himself in that situation.
John Terry would have probably looked just as slow chasing back in the exact same situation but he would not have found himself in that situation.
Slow and awful in reading the game. Not good traits for a CB.
Maguire is only comfortable if he’s in a back three or if the RB tucks in to cover for him like AWB used to do, along with two midfield pivots just in front of him to cover for him as well.
Basically too many team adjustments to cover for his defiencies. Wouldn’t work in a high line either.
It’s ridiculous.
His team mates must love playing with Maguire, knowing that whatever they do, whatever mistake they make it wont matter, the fans will blame Maguire. I knew Maguire was going to get the blame for that goal, anyone with a set of eyes should be able to tell that there were three errors leading to that goal, none of which came from Maguire.
If today doesn’t tell you that there’s an agenda against Maguire then nothing will.
This is true, this is why he’s always caught in these types of situations because he doesn’t know how to read the game.
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