So in a game where Arsenal was on the front foot and we held them to only 7 shots you think our defense played poorly??? And then you try to claim you don't know who Goldbridge is? Yeah right. Keep trying to pretend. you are pretty much quoting him word for word and then pretending they are your own thoughts. Just another Goldbridge muppet...
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So in a game where Arsenal was on the front foot and we held them to only 7 shots you think our defense played poorly??? And then you try to claim you don't know who Goldbridge is? Yeah right. Keep trying to pretend. you are pretty much quoting him word for word and then pretending they are your own thoughts. Just another Goldbridge muppet...
Did I say they played poorly? No. Did I say I’ve never heard of Mark Goldbridge? No. Learn to read.
Only the ones who obviously do. You are one of them obviously. And it's not just Maguire. It's scapegoating our best players. Let me guess, next you're going to go hard on McTominay and defend Pogba?
On that second goal Bailly watches Son walk past him inside. Doesn't attempt to get close to him until after the ball is passed to him. Sure, Maguire should have stepped on the ball, but this is about defending. Blaming the guy who didn't commit a yellow card offense for the goal instead of blaming the guy who was supposed to be marking the goal scorer is nothing more than "agenda 101" against Maguire
On that 4th goal, Maguire is nearest to the crosser, so it is HIS job to go shut him down. Son starts his run from the left side of the field. Again, Bailly watches him make his run and then reacts too late. He lets Son get in front of him. Again, if you are blaming Maguire for going to close down the crosser when he's the closest defender and really want him to stay where he is and give him a free run, then I don't know what to say. This again was on Bailly. Son was his man. Son was the goal scorer. Amazing how you want to blame Maguire for his man making an assist, but give Bailly a free pass for not marking the goal scorer who was his man. And then you claim not to have an agenda? Give your head a shake...
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I'm definitely smarter than your average bear
I'm also just sick of this agenda against Maguire. I'm so glad that our supporters don't actually run the team. You don't improve a team by getting rid of your best players. You can state your opinion all you want, but your opinion is 100% wrong. Maguire is in fact our best defender. Too many people let his price tag effect their emotions. Never mind how much he cost. Compare him to his peers. And don't look at this year. This year everyone is horrible. At this rate you and I can start the next game in place of all 3 of them. But if you compare the 3 from last year and you still honestly think that Lindeloff and Bailly are better than him, then perhaps football just isn't for you...
Just a selection of the posts where you’ve accused somebody of having an agenda against Maguire. And numerous references to Mark Goldbridge. There’s definitely an agenda here but it’s not the one you think it is.
He had a pass % rating of 92% today but he can't pass???? Holy f*ck you guys really need to stop your agendas
Yes, because pass accuracy is EXACTLY what I was talking about.
Learn context.
His passes were poor in the context of the game. Slow, pedestrian, telegraphed and about as dynamic and progressive as reading the Yellow Pages.
This.
Proper Captain's performance. Vintage Kompany.
Just a selection of the posts where you’ve accused somebody of having an agenda against Maguire. And numerous references to Mark Goldbridge. There’s definitely an agenda here but it’s not the one you think it is.
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Because they do have agendas against Maguire. i have more than proved that he isn't the problem yet he keeps getting scapegoated by muppets like you who can't think for yourself and just quote Mark Goldbridge
Because they do have agendas against Maguire. i have more than proved that he isn't the problem yet he keeps getting scapegoated by muppets like you who can't think for yourself and just quote Mark Goldbridge
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Weirdo.
So because he isn't
Pirlo his passing was bad? Yet another agenda. Blame the players who need to be blamed not the players who were the best on the fieldYou can put a pacy CB next to him but his inability to play in a high line will always hold us back IMO.. He can't defend in 1v1 situations high up the pitch hence we have to play a reactive brand of football with our fullbacks and midfielders protecting him which means we can't effectively beat the press. He's not the only issue in that regard though but signing a aerially dominant CB who is also capable of defending high up the pitch in 1v1 situations should be a priority IMO which would allow us to play a more expansive game.
To his credit I thought he looked better today than he did around the time of the international break a couple weeks ago when he looked like a walking disaster (This is the first match I've gotten a chance to watch since then)
Anyone who doesn’t rate Maguire apparently. I’ve a feeling SadlerMUFC watches him more than anybody else here.
Good work. Who watches Goldbridge then?
So because he isn't
I knew this would be said.
Sadly, we can't edit and clip the footage, but anyone that actually watches the game can see exactly what I mean.
I think the lady doth protest too much, and you are a massive Maguire fan. Well done.
If you setup to play out from the back, you do not have to be vintage Beckenbauer to be able to keep the play moving with sharp passes and variation.
Pass, Move, if you're Captain and the team is under the cosh then yes, you have to play line-splitting passes to the advanced midfielders, runners and into space.
Maguire was brought in as you may recall, because of his supposedly excellent ball-playing ability.
He simply isn't showing this regularly enough or reading the attacking play well-enough at this level. Slow in thought.
He made a couple of balls over the top to seek out Greenwood and Rashford, but his general passes are so deliberate in the attacking-sense that even a blind footballer could read them by the time he's taken to decide what to do.
No-one is expecting him to be Scholes or Pirlo; But his passing and slow-thinking dawdling on the ball and inability to understand the right pass, with the right weight to keep the pieces moving when he has so much time on the ball is a very grave concern for the style Ole wants us to play.
He has to be braver and improve and show us he won't be cowed if a few of his forward passes go astray and keep passing and moving and look for those spaces, midfielders and runners. Encapsulated when Maguire took on a shot in the final third that was quite frankly hilarious.
This he has improved on. Horrific experience for the lad.
There’s one of those at Roma I hear. English too so good for the homegrown quota.
The defence hasn't been bad since spurs. Only conceded own goals and penalty in 5 games.
Smalling is not, and has not at any point in his United career been the answer to anything. He was here for almost a decade. We all know what he brings to the table, and it's not enough. I can't believe we still have United fans pining for Smalling of all people.
Yes they are.
If a team presses you religiously then you have to step up. It was a decent criticism of Chris Smalling's suitability for when this is applied to us.
Tuanzebe is more appropriate for when this tactic is applied. Playing him you lose some of Maguire's defensive prowess and presence.
We’ve sacrificed any attacking intent to protect it. 2 goals and one point in four home games. And one of those was a penalty.
Well except those two games we scored 9 goals in.
Sure you haven't
Arsenal were kept to only 7 shots (2 on target) while having most of the play. If you don't think that our defense played fantastic today then perhaps you should take up a different sport
Ah yes. This is exactly what people critiquing Maguire are saying. (sarc.)
Please actually read. His defensive side of the game is far better than his previous performances. Good. Well done. Have a junior G Man badge.
The pressing and attacking problems though cost us much in this game due to his lack of attacking acumen vs the time he had on the ball in various key phases of play.
This does not absolve other players poor performances.
Aye.
People are so weird defenders defend and give the ball to the better players on the pitch to do something with, if people are expecting defenders to play key passes to open up teams I am at a loss.
There are very few defenders with a passing range that some on here are describing 92% completion is fine, what we need to look at is movement ahead of them and other players opening up channels for passes that allow for quicker passes, Arsenal press today was oppressive from the front 9 out of 10 times there were no options
There are very few defenders with a passing range that some on here are describing 92% completion is fine, what we need to look at is movement ahead of them and other players opening up channels for passes that allow for quicker passes, Arsenal press today was oppressive from the front 9 out of 10 times there were no options
Lord help us if that bell is someone to quote as a fact giver!
My problem with maguire is his interview after the game. He is not a leader.
when asked what problem was he said can’t put his finger on it. Come on... say we were terrible say something acknowledging how poor we were. It’s complicit with the laizes faire attitude of the team.Just poor
when asked what problem was he said can’t put his finger on it. Come on... say we were terrible say something acknowledging how poor we were. It’s complicit with the laizes faire attitude of the team.Just poor
But that's not why Mike Smalling was shown the door so we could break the record for him. He was supposed to be this modern ball playing defender.
Funnily enough Maguire made the same number of key passes that Bruno and Pogba did in today’s game.
Arsenal's press was effective because their midfield and back line stepped up everytime the forwards triggered the press which closed off the space hence cutting off passing lanes.
We haven’t scored 9 goals at Old Trafford much less in 2 games. But I was referring to the league. We’ve scored 7 including Champions League. If you’re referring to it and the Newcastle game we had to bring Fred off for an attacking midfielder before we got three of those goals.
Why count only home games? Seems disingenuous on your part.
This is interesting.
Which is why you can’t trust passing stats.
Exactly. Defensively we would have been better off sticking with Mike. But he was apparently the reason we were not playing progressive football and needed changing. If Tuanzebe can stay fit I would honestly prefer him and Lindelof and I dont really rate him either. This feels like such a waste of money signing, league record? and doesn't feel like an improvement.
Because that’s where are problems are. Two weeks running we’ve had home games where we surrendered any attacking initiative and even the Newcastle game we had to take off one of our defensive midfielders when we were drifting to another draw.
We were playing Chelsea and Arsenal. Chelsea set up ultra defensively because they had been shipping goals and Arsenal now always set up ultra defensively and have the best defensive record in the league this season. I think you‘re reaching if you claim this sample is proof of your point, especially given we’ve scored 11 goals in the other 3 games since the international break.
But we scored 4 at Newcastle and 5 versus leipzig. Agree we were too cautious in Chelsea and arsenal games. If you gamble and are more ambitious you might win one and lose one. But you get 3 points not 1
We barely looked like scoring against them though. And we played both games in no rush to attack. It’s less the number of goals and more the lack of intent in those games that bothers me. Our attack is clearly our strength but two weeks running it’s been safety first. Mostly because our centre backs can’t run.
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