He is a decent/average premiership defender. Going through a really bad moment right now though and looks utterly deflated and lacking in confidence. He isnt great but he is a lot better than his current performances suggest.
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Yeah I think he needs to be honest with himself and admit he needs some counselling to help him through this.
I know that people will probably laugh at this but this has shades of when Schmeichel was going through a bad run in the autumn of 98/99.
Yes I will admit Pete didn't have the problems off the pitch then but Fergie had the guts to made the right call.
Right now I would say the best thing we could do is have as much protection around him as possible. He was okay in the back three for England at the World Cup, which was similar in individual quality to our defenders. If we carry on playing the same system, we're in deep trouble that's for certain.
This is a big test for Ole now. Protect your Captain and keep him out the spotlight for a few weeks or go to autopilot mode and be his fist name on the team sheet on Saturday.
Must be a few weeks out the spotlight surely.
Must be a few weeks out the spotlight surely.
It's clear the case in Greece and lack of fitness is taking a lot out. Court cases can eat you up inside.
I hope the club can help him mentally as even though he's not the greatest defender he's still a good one which we desperately need to get playing.
I hope the club can help him mentally as even though he's not the greatest defender he's still a good one which we desperately need to get playing.
Solskjaer confirmed he’s available for selection as of after this international break.
Everyone keeps saying Ole recruited we'll. But like Harry Maguire we have bought players because of what they did well at their various clubs but we now expect them to play in a different way. Leicester in their title winning season were never a team on the front foot, he was never left alone to defend one on one or had to cover too many times for his full back.
Yes he ventured forward well with the ball at times. But it's our own fault,just like Pogba looked good with marchisio and pirlo behind him. Bruno gets subbed for been outspoken, something we know he did at sporting as club captain.
Yes he ventured forward well with the ball at times. But it's our own fault,just like Pogba looked good with marchisio and pirlo behind him. Bruno gets subbed for been outspoken, something we know he did at sporting as club captain.
Before he came here, he was always beside experienced veteran defenders (Evans & Dawson), and was never expected to lead the defence. What's happening here is he's been elevated above his actual level, those experienced defenders are not there and he simply isn't capable of being a leader.
It's not his fault we paid £80m, gave him the captaincy and expected something he had never shown in the past, but here we are.
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Yeah I know, I just didn't know it was that bad.
Fun fact in 18/19 :
United under Mourinho conceded 29 goals in the first 17 PL games (1.7 goals per game)
Leicester conceded 21 goals in the first 17 PL games (1.23 goals per game)
United under Solskjaer conceded 25 goals in the next 21 PL games (1.19 goals per game)
Leicester conceded 27 goals in the next 21 PL games (1.28 goals per game).
That first half of the season was not reflective of the quality of that back line because Mourinho was sabotaging it. Leicester actually went and conceded the same number of goals last season as they did in 18/19. So in reality we just signed a defender who's not bad, but doesn't really offer much above average for a WR fee.
He'll never be forgiven for costing £80m. It doesn't matter how well he plays, it's always going to be held over him so people can say 'I told you so'. This downturn in form has been the perfect chance to twist the knife.
I think he’ll be ok. Needs a break imo.
Looking like Phil Jones without the injuries or gurning.
Looking like Phil Jones without the injuries or gurning.
Well said. Honestly think there's a massive gap between United fans and United supporters.
Have no idea what these "fans" get out of following football other then making both themselves and others around them miserable.
He didn't play for Leicester that season.
Unless he's really Robert Huth... Which would make sense now I think about it.
He’s out of form.
The idea that he was never any good is bollocks.
The idea that he was never any good is bollocks.
No he's not and never has been, he has been desperately shoe horned into being a leader when he doesn't have it in him.
Schmeichel at the time was around 36 years old and was coming to the end of his career at the top level at the time. So it was understandable that someone in the twilight of their career would be showing signs of decline.
I’ve been an advocate for Maguire on here but I’m not a fan of emotionally fragile players. He needs to sort it out and quickly,
I wouldn't call him fragile. Guy dipped in form, everyone is going in on him around the world, and he just had a dramatic experience internationally.
Goals conceded in the PL when playing CB (have to be on the pitch at the time) since LVG arrived:
Maguire 47 goals conceded in 41 games
Bailly 40 goals conceded in 42 games approx
Rojo 37 goals conceded in 41 games approx
Lindelof 85 goals conceded in 76 games approx
Jones 67 goals conceded in 86 games approx (probably more like 82 full games given the number of times he has been injured fairly early in games)
Smalling 130 goals conceded in 121 games approx
Goals scored for United in PL when playing CB since LVG arrived: Maguire 1, Bailly 1, Rojo 1, Lindelof 2, Jones 0, Smalling 10
Maguire 47 goals conceded in 41 games
Bailly 40 goals conceded in 42 games approx
Rojo 37 goals conceded in 41 games approx
Lindelof 85 goals conceded in 76 games approx
Jones 67 goals conceded in 86 games approx (probably more like 82 full games given the number of times he has been injured fairly early in games)
Smalling 130 goals conceded in 121 games approx
Goals scored for United in PL when playing CB since LVG arrived: Maguire 1, Bailly 1, Rojo 1, Lindelof 2, Jones 0, Smalling 10
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I just don't think he does well under pressure... You can see it in his defending, when he makes a mistake he generally goes into panic stations to try and rectify it.
If he has mental issues then thats totally different. If he says that and needs a rest he will be supported .
However he is being criticised for his performances which are terrible and if he is letting that affect him then he should not be Captain of this club and should not be playing for the club either .
It's an insult to people who have mental issues if we are supposed to rally round someone who is just messing up in his job because of his own physical faults
Yeah very true but he does need taking out of the firing line for his own good,otherwise I worry he could go down a very slippery slope indeed
He is a better player than Bailly. Yes he is having a tough time now and maybe need a break but if I was Ole I would handle it by resting him and giving him a break. But on the other hand we also have very important matches coming up. If you need him to be ready for those you need him to play in the Newcastle game.
I hope the club give him all the support he requires because it seems he's mentally fragile.
The problem with him is that he's weak in 1v1 situations in a high line which is a huge hinderance for us as a club going forward. But I hope he gets all the support he needs so we can at the very least play low block football to a certain level which suits him.
The problem with him is that he's weak in 1v1 situations in a high line which is a huge hinderance for us as a club going forward. But I hope he gets all the support he needs so we can at the very least play low block football to a certain level which suits him.
I just worry about him being a total liability,just heard Southgate say in his post match interview that he has to tough it out. There was me thinking that Gareth actually understood mental health better than that
Yeah he definitely seems not in a good place right now which is concerning
I'd bet Lindelof and Smalling's numbers take a huge battering because of Mourinho's half season. They were the two regularly being played while Mourinho was self destructing by coupling them with McTominay, Matic or whoever to make his point.
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Mourinho's 18/19 - Lindelof conceded 22 goals in 13 games ; Smalling conceded 20 in 13.
He shouldn't be starting for now. The pressure the club has right now is too much for a player that already looks broken
As others have said, needs a break and some time away from the spotlight. There's nothing clever about pushing him back out there and risking breaking him even more than he is over the next fortnight.
Ole needs to be mindful that getting that wrong and fielding Maguire when he should be nowhere near the team could cost him his job.
Have to feel for Maguire by now. His only 'crime' is not being a top tier defender, which is not his fault.
Ole needs to be mindful that getting that wrong and fielding Maguire when he should be nowhere near the team could cost him his job.
Have to feel for Maguire by now. His only 'crime' is not being a top tier defender, which is not his fault.
Pretty sure we have had stats before for the minutes per goal conceded for all our centre backs after Fergie retired and Jones is comfortably clear of everyone else. Problem is the guy has never been fit.
Which would be an improvement on our average goals conceded per game so far in the league
There is also zero shame /weakness if he did take some time off due to mental issues.... People with "normal" jobs get signed off with mental health issues all the time, I don't see why this would be any different.
Yeah it’s all pretty ugly to be honest. Some fans take a lot of pleasure in seeing their own players struggle it seems. Maguire isn’t the only one either
Agreed with both of these. People pick and choose who they want to support.
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Yeah quite simply this decision needs to be taken out of his hands
His head is just not there, he needs a break and help. He is a broken man.
Yet people in at least one other thread are advocating sacking Bruno because he dared to get cross about the shocking performance v Spurs.
This. It's not like he's given up and doesn't care like Di Maria did. He's clearly struggling and needs fan to give the most basic support.
There's a lot to deride and get angry about at the club right now, this isn't it.
He's a lot better than he's showing. I think people saying he's shite or bang average are well wide of the mark, at his best he's among the best CBs in the league and had some very good performances with us last year that prove that. Like others have said though, he doesn't seem captain material at all and added unnecessary pressure to a mentally fragile player. The big question is didn't we pay so much because of his supposed leadership qualities, now he's not showing those qualities why on earth did we spend £80m on him?
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