[Stacks]

Such a reductionist view, people (and he is a person not just a footballer) deal with pressure and anxiety differently. People have taken their own lives due to being dumped by partners, do you criticise them also because other people have got through it without the need for suicide?

This whole archaic “just get on with it“ attitude is a major issue when it comes to addressing mental health in modern times.

In respond to your 1st question no. But these are apples and oranges since to many, their partners are their lives. If a person did the same after being arrested on holiday in which they served no jail time and were free to continue their livelihood, then I would have serious questions.

He got arrested and is now clear to continue a career worth millions. You lot going on like he is in the midst of an OJ Simpson trial and potentially facing life!

 

[Posh Red]

In respond to your 1st question no. But these are apples and oranges since to many, their partners are their lives. If a person did the same after being arrested on holiday in which they served no jail time and were free to continue their livelihood, then I would have serious questions.

He got arrested and is now clear to continue a career worth millions. You lot going on like he is in the midst of an OJ Simpson trial and potentially facing life!

Did you see the interview Maguire gave after the incident? Were you there when it happened? You have no idea what you’re talking about or what happened to Maguire in that incident, or his family for that matter. Why is it so hard to give one of our own players the benefit of the doubt?

 

[Lay]

Going through a bad patch but never the player that was right for the club. Hope he gets through this tough patch. The media and fans will be unforgiving.

 

[Bastian]

There is also zero shame /weakness if he did take some time off due to mental issues.... People with "normal" jobs get signed off with mental health issues all the time, I don't see why this would be any different.

I agree on that front. But we may also be led by the echo chamber media/social media and diagnosing him with mental health issues now, when these things have happened before and players have navigated that and come out the other end, whilst playing. He's been made captain - if there's an ounce of thought that went into that then it's because he's shown resilience.

Drafting in Bailly and Lindelof as a pair so Maguire can sort himself out (the need for which I think is overstated on here) is akin to asking a random hospital worker if they can step in for the surgeon for a couple of days. You don't take those chances. If Tuanzebe was up to speed and bedded in we'd have options, but he'll just have to show what he's made of.

A brawl in Greece. Come on, it's not like it's some devastating situation. The captaincy is heavy, as is the price tag. Deal with it.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

In respond to your 1st question no. But these are apples and oranges since to many, their partners are their lives. If a person did the same after being arrested on holiday in which they served no jail time and were free to continue their livelihood, then I would have serious questions.

He got arrested and is now clear to continue a career worth millions. You lot going on like he is in the midst of an OJ Simpson trial and potentially facing life!

He literally spent two nights in a cell.

Which by the way would totally feck me up mentally... As I have an irrational fear of getting arrested /prison, but that's just me... As others have said, different people take it differently.

 

[Majima]

I wonder if he is captain material? Between the pressure of leading the defense because he is the oldest starter, we gave him the armband when he had no experience of playing for a huge club or even playing on the CL stage. I wonder if it wouldn't be a relief for him, if Ole gave the armband to someone else and ask him to focus on himself and don't worry about the rest?

You bring up a very good point. Considering he had never shown any proof of being one, and seeing him here, I don't think so. How can your captain be mentally fragile? He is very panicky once he makes a mistake, and how many times have we seen him challenging for the same ball, almost tackling his own teammates? Have you ever seen any leaders in the past acting like him? It's bizarre.

It does feel like he needs to have an experienced defender beside him, so he can just focus on himself, like how he was before coming here. But that's the thing, we paid £80m for his leadership qualities apparently. What those qualities actually are though is anyone's guess. It's been a ludicrous transfer all around really.

 

[Ludens the Red]

I agree on that front. But we may also be led by the echo chamber media/social media and diagnosing him with mental health issues now, when these things have happened before and players have navigated that and come out the other end, whilst playing. He's been made captain - if there's an ounce of thought that went into that then it's because he's shown resilience.

Drafting in Bailly and Lindelof as a pair so Maguire can sort himself out (the need for which I think is overstated on here) is akin to asking a random hospital worker if they can step in for the surgeon for a couple of days. You don't take those chances. If Tuanzebe was up to speed and bedded in we'd have options, but he'll just have to show what he's made of.

A brawl in Greece. Come on, it's not like it's some devastating situation. The captaincy is heavy, as is the price tag. Deal with it.

I am actually staggered by what I’m reading. There are literally people in this thread diagnosing Harry Maguire with a severe mental illness and trying to shame other posters for criticising his performances and not acknowledging these mental health issues that they’ve decided Maguire definitely has. Virtue signalling really has taken a strange turn.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Unfortunately.

Just another sad indictment of our recruitment these days. Under Fergie, a player with Maguires ability would have been a squaddie at best.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

I agree on that front. But we may also be led by the echo chamber media/social media and diagnosing him with mental health issues now, when these things have happened before and players have navigated that and come out the other end, whilst playing. He's been made captain - if there's an ounce of thought that went into that then it's because he's shown resilience.

Drafting in Bailly and Lindelof as a pair so Maguire can sort himself out (the need for which I think is overstated on here) is akin to asking a random hospital worker if they can step in for the surgeon for a couple of days. You don't take those chances. If Tuanzebe was up to speed and bedded in we'd have options, but he'll just have to show what he's made of.

A brawl in Greece. Come on, it's not like it's some devastating situation. The captaincy is heavy, as is the price tag. Deal with it.

True, why it's an "if"... Only he really knows where his head is at... But I just don't think people should call him him weak if he is having issues.

 

[Stacks]

He literally spent two nights in a cell.

Which by the way would totally feck me up mentally... As I have an irrational fear of getting arrested /prison, but that's just me... As others have said, different people take it differently.

I meant serious jailtime. I have spent time in a cell myself. When I was 18 we went on holiday to Barcelona and our dingbat girl mates thought it was funny to steal an elderly couple's clothes while they were skinnydipping. My girl mates were ethnic in Spain and got accused of stealing their bags. They were locked up for days, with guards banging on their cells to keep them awake, threatening them etc and they had to go to court. The Spanish police were pricks the whole time and our girls were separated from us for a good while. Where as it was clearly a traumatic experience for them, they got back to business once they got home and didn't seem affected they way people are claiming Harry must be. These were 18 year old girls abroad.

 

[Revaulx]

Agreed with both of these. People pick and choose who they want to support.

Yup. If only the fauxtrage brigade had been as zealous in their defence of Fellaini, Young, Lindelöf, Pogba, Lingard, Lukaku etc etc.

 

[Stacks]

Did you see the interview Maguire gave after the incident? Were you there when it happened? You have no idea what you’re talking about or what happened to Maguire in that incident, or his family for that matter. Why is it so hard to give one of our own players the benefit of the doubt?

I hear what you are saying and we never know but the narrative seems to just accept that he can't get over the horrors of staying in Greek Alcatraz and so we must accept poor form. We simply don't know either way

 

[Paxi]

Just another sad indictment of our recruitment these days. Under Fergie, a player with Maguires ability would have been a squaddie at best.

Maybe. Or maybe we'd have signed him straight from Hull, once he showed a bit of promise.

 

[Posh Red]

I hear what you are saying and we never know but the narrative seems to just accept that he can't get over the horrors of staying in Greek Alcatraz and so we must accept poor form. We simply don't know either way

Yeah fair enough we probably will never know. Maybe more information will come out in the future once the court case is concluded. In the meantime though it seems harsh to me to imply he is mentally weak

 

[Pogue Mahone]

He looked absolutely distraught walking off. Like unusually upset. Poor bloke is obviously in a bad place. No idea whether it’s mainly the trauma of being the worst player on the pitch while captaining United to a historically humiliating defeat, or mainly what went down in Greece. I don’t know the guy, so would be guessing. Either way, you’d have to be dead inside to not at least feel for him on a human level. The distress was obvious.

Being purely selfish about this, it’s a disaster for Manchester United. He clearly needs time away from football and we’re not exactly brimming with quality replacements. Despite having about 50 central defenders in our squad.

 

[Stacks]

I agree on that front. But we may also be led by the echo chamber media/social media and diagnosing him with mental health issues now, when these things have happened before and players have navigated that and come out the other end, whilst playing. He's been made captain - if there's an ounce of thought that went into that then it's because he's shown resilience.

Drafting in Bailly and Lindelof as a pair so Maguire can sort himself out (the need for which I think is overstated on here) is akin to asking a random hospital worker if they can step in for the surgeon for a couple of days. You don't take those chances. If Tuanzebe was up to speed and bedded in we'd have options, but he'll just have to show what he's made of.

A brawl in Greece. Come on, it's not like it's some devastating situation. The captaincy is heavy, as is the price tag. Deal with it.

Sometimes I try to think "maybe everyone is right and could I be wrong?" A brawl in Greece seems like a joke but we never know what kind of peaceful squeaky clean life he has lived up till now. He could be a real good boy from a nice family and having to experience a moment of aggression or violence and the threat of trouble could be scary for him. There are some people who are so frightened of the law that they think they will be sent to jail for long sentences if they misbehave even once so I will try to consider the other side too

 

[TsuWave]

Fraud

 

[TMDaines]

I am actually staggered by what I’m reading. There are literally people in this thread diagnosing Harry Maguire with a severe mental illness and trying to shame other posters for criticising his performances and not acknowledging these mental health issues that they’ve decided Maguire definitely has. Virtue signalling really has taken a strange turn.

He’s a pretty humble, possibly naive, guy who has found himself all over the papers, dragged through a foreign court system and has seen the worst run of performances in his career with a string of high profile errors.

I am happy to criticise him both for the decisions he made in the summer and his performances in recent months, whilst also being acutely aware that being a celebrity for many people is a fecking horrific ordeal. What exactly do you think would trigger depression and a nervous breakdown, if not things like this?

He doesn’t have a poor track record in terms of discipline. He had a string of top managers after him and is a top player, who played a large part in his achieving our main, realistic aim last season. Why are people, his own supporters, so keen to revel in his downfall?

The worst thing the club could do now is strip him of the armband and kick him whilst he’s down. The time for making that decision has long since gone. Support him, give him some time away if need be to get mentally and physically sorted, and get him back out there. We fecking need him.

 

[JPRouve]

He looked absolutely distraught walking off. Like unusually upset. Poor bloke is obviously in a bad place. No idea whether it’s mainly the trauma of being the worst player on the pitch while captaining United to a historically humiliating defeat, or mainly what went down in Greece. I don’t know the guy, so would be guessing. Either way, you’d have to be dead inside to not at least feel for him on a human level. The distress was obvious.

Being purely selfish about this, it’s a disaster for Manchester United. He clearly needs time away from football and we’re not exactly brimming with quality replacements. Despite having about 50 central defenders in our squad.

The reason I don't think that it's linked to the Greece events is that we have seen him lose it before, the FA cup game against Chelsea was an example of a game where he failed to manage his nerves. There has been signs of what we are cureetly seeing, last season.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The reason I don't think that it's linked to the Greece events is that we have seen him lose it before, the FA cup game against Chelsea was an example of a game where he failed to manage his nerves. There has been signs of what we are cureetly seeing, last season.

I doubt even he could name a single incident as the main reason for what’s happening. There must be a cumulative stress of being made captain of such a big club when the team is floundering. Which the summer embarrassment and stress will have compounded. He certainly seems at a very low ebb, that’s for sure.

 

[TsuWave]

Is Bailly even available? Last I read was he was injured, which was clarified by him as fatigue.

Bailly was man of the match against Japan yesterday

 

[JPRouve]

I doubt even he could name a single incident as the main reason for what’s happening. There must be a cumulative stress of being made captain of such a big club when the team is floundering. Which the summer embarrassment and stress will have compounded. He certainly seems at a very low ebb, that’s for sure.

I agree with that view, it's probably an accumulation of things including some that are private.

 

[TsuWave]

Useless oaf. £80m

£80M of the Queen’s finest. I will never get over it.

Genuinely think it’s one of the worst transfers we’ve made in recent times.

 

[TMDaines]

I doubt even he could name a single incident as the main reason for what’s happening. There must be a cumulative stress of being made captain of such a big club when the team is floundering. Which the summer embarrassment and stress will have compounded. He certainly seems at a very low ebb, that’s for sure.

There must be recognition by the club it is not entirely business as usual, because he’s done no media duties since his extended interview with the BBC after the court saga. We’ve had two catastrophic home defeats to start the season and our club captain, who ordinarily fronts up, has been completely AWOL.

I’d suggest him trying to play out this difficult period is not having the desired effect.

 

[Adnan]

Personally I wouldn't take the captaincy off him straight away, but when the time is right, I would hope we seriously consider Bruno for the role.

 

[bosnian_red]

I think it's looked obvious from day 1 that he's not quite mentally right after the summer. Which is fine. Writing him off is dumb as feck, he'll come back from it, he just needs some time (time off IMO), and a good support group.

 

[croadyman]

I think it's looked obvious from day 1 that he's not quite mentally right after the summer. Which is fine. Writing him off is dumb as feck, he'll come back from it, he just needs some time (time off IMO), and a good support group.

Yeah he definitely does because otherwise could see him going down the Sol Campbell route in 2006 and wouldn't want that to happen

 

[Revaulx]

Ole suddenly deciding to play a high line won’t have helped. As long as Maguire is the first name on the team sheet he needs to be played in a system he’s comfortable with. Jose did Lukaku no favours by deciding to play him as if he were Drogba.

 

[klayton88]

Has he apologised on instagram yet? And claimed he'll come back stronger? And tell us he's learned from it?

 

[Ludens the Red]

He’s a pretty humble, possibly naive, guy who has found himself all over the papers, dragged through a foreign court system and has seen the worst run of performances in his career with a string of high profile errors.

I am happy to criticise him both for the decisions he made in the summer and his performances in recent months, whilst also being acutely aware that being a celebrity for many people is a fecking horrific ordeal. What exactly do you think would trigger depression and a nervous breakdown, if not things like this?

He doesn’t have a poor track record in terms of discipline. He had a string of top managers after him and is a top player, who played a large part in his achieving our main, realistic aim last season. Why are people, his own supporters, so keen to revel in his downfall?

The worst thing the club could do now is strip him of the armband and kick him whilst he’s down. The time for making that decision has long since gone. Support him, give him some time away if need be to get mentally and physically sorted, and get him back out there. We fecking need him.

My issue is posters having a go at other posters for not acknowledging these ‘mental health issues’.
For sure it’ll be a low point in his career but it’s something most footballers have, people can’t just automatically decide it’s mental health.

The simple fact is we don’t know. A few posters have mentioned this but this could be attributed to several other United players over the years. Lingard, Martial and Pogba in particular have had terrible bouts of form as well as personal issues at different times. I do not ever recall people coming into their performances threads and explaining it as mental health.

I don’t think United fans are revelling in his downfall, I find it hard to believe there’s United fans out there that don’t want Maguire playing well. It’s pent up frustration that the second most expensive player in the clubs history who was made captain in January has seen a nosedive in form from long before the incident in Greece.

I dunno man I just don’t get it. If all people need is a footballer to have some bad form and have a bad incident in their personal life for them to declare that they’re suffering from significant mental health issues then basically 75% of United players suffer from significant mental health issues. A player can have a bad period in his career, I’ll never dispute that but I think casually diagnosing people with mental health with no basis isnt particularly helpful.

 

[BluesJr]

Don't think he really has the mentality for the top level of football. Good player but I fear he belongs in the 4th to 10th bracket in the league. Before anyone says it, I'm aware that's where we are currently at but that's not our end goal and not why we spent £80m on him.

 

[Okey]

Ah. I knew the Harry bashing would be in full force. I maintain my opinion he's not as bad as he's being made out to be. He's been pretty excellent for England before this game hasn't he? He's obviously in a bad place right now. Probably needs some time off to clear his head and recover. Which gives us a chance to see our back line without him in it. He'll come back fine, that much I'm sure of. Probably will never justify his price tag but that's not his fault is it? But he'll be a fine defender, if a slow one, like he's always been...

 

[ghagua]

Maguire needs to be dropped ASAP and get help with whatever his mental issue is. He looks like a shadow of his former self when playing for club or country. I know about his summer jail time and everything, but still, he needs to get his head sorted without the additional pressure of making mistakes and having to carry on as normal. He just is not capable of mentally blocking this stuff out.

 

[croadyman]

Maguire needs to be dropped ASAP and get help with whatever his mental issue is. He looks like a shadow of his former self when playing for club or country. I know about his summer jail time and everything, but still, he needs to get his head sorted without the additional pressure of making mistakes and having to carry on as normal. He just is not capable of mentally blocking this stuff out.

Yeah couldn't have put it better myself

 

[Grande]

The reason I don't think that it's linked to the Greece events is that we have seen him lose it before, the FA cup game against Chelsea was an example of a game where he failed to manage his nerves. There has been signs of what we are cureetly seeing, last season.

The signs you have seen are signs that he can be affected by anxiousness, not that it will necessessarily escalate. On the contrary, for a guy who’s capable of being nervous outside of his optimal zone (we all know some nerves are generally better than no nerves for achievement focus, right?), the fact that he’s taken the captaincy at such a young age, at such a club, to such acknowledgement by those inside the club, only points towards that they would become less and less of a problem. Particularily since Bruno came, and we turned a corner, and we made 3rd place. He should be calmer in general now. If not for the incident.

I’ve met severalmen of his age waiting for trial or sentencing, and what has struck me is how incapasitating such a wait is to almost everyone. Most people are nervous all the time, consciously or subconsciously, can’t focus or concentrate, and plating football at a professional level, not to speak about being captain and leader of a young defence - forget about it. I was almost sure it would affect him when the appeal went through, and he has been the worst in our defence in every game since that decision. The fact that he has had jitters before only makes him more vulnerable to such anxious stress. And of course such consequences as our league start and the England red will only compound that.

If it’s true the court case may not arise in a year or two, I hope he gets good mental coaching. If he beats this, he may yet become a mental giant.

 

[TsuWave]

Needs rest....and a transfer to West Brom

 

[Isotope]

It seems like the whole team look distraught. Maybe they all have mental issues and need time off.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Agreed with both of these. People pick and choose who they want to support.

Ask where their morals are in the Pogba, Lingard threads & it’s crickets.

The truth is his form post lockdown is indefensible so they make it a case of morality & loyalty which is scarce across the forum in general.

The sanctimony in this thread is rife, people whose knives are out for players after their first misplaced pass are suddenly concerned for Maguire on a welfare basis.

 

[sammsky1]

Fraud

£80M of the Queen’s finest. I will never get over it.
Genuinely think it’s one of the worst transfers we’ve made in recent times.

Needs rest....and a transfer to West Brom

And all on one page?! Seems like you have some issues with Maguire you can’t seem to resolve!

 

[Posh Red]

Ask where their morals are in the Pogba, Lingard threads & it’s crickets.

The truth is his form post lockdown is indefensible so they make it a case of morality & loyalty which is scarce across the forum in general.

The sanctimony in this thread is rife, people whose knives are out for players after their first misplaced pass are suddenly concerned for Maguire on a welfare basis.

Why are you lumping these opinions in together? Maybe I’m an idiot but I will pretty much stick up for all of our players when they go through a tough time, Pogba included.