I would literally cry with joy were this to happen, and I dont even like Kane that much.
Harry Kane
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Hmm... Yeah I think Levy would be open to that! But that doesn't really help our situation? Because we need another striker not swap a striker for a striker. Plus he's captain so as much as some people would like it to happen its not going to. LVG will stick by his man.
He could easily end up at City. I can see Bony being move on next summer. I just can't see Bony being a success at City.
Are some of you honestly contemplating a deal for Kane that would involve Rooney going the other way? For a guy who was behind Soldado and Adebayor this time last year? I'm as interested as anyone in what Harry comes up with this year but enough with the nonsense.
'His price doubles' and he'll be worth Bale money?
Implying that Tottenham would accept £40-50 million if we offered it tomorrow.
No chance. His price doesn't double. They wont sell him this summer at all, so there isn't a price to double.
Offer £40m plus Rooney then.
Absolutely!
Spurs aren't going to pay Rooney's wages. Would never happen, and Rooney wouldn't move to Spurs anyway.
I think all the transfer speculation has effected him a little. He has been slightly off the pace. I reckon as soon as the window closes and he can concentrate properly on the season he will start smashing them in. Mind you Spurs have been shockingly woeful so far. Dont understand why EA make Spurs become an unreal force on Fifa games. Year after year they prove themselves to always fall down at the 3rd hurdle let alone the last.
If I was Kane, I would want out either now or most defo next summer.
If I was Kane, I would want out either now or most defo next summer.
Like this means anything at all? He was probably 20/21 when he was behind Adebayor and Soldado, all young players have got to start from somewhere
Wouldn't hesitate for a second. SNAP CALL!
Considering some people would take have a wafer and some salted biscuits for Wayne Rooney... I'd say a deal involving Kane is far more reasonable.
Well exactly. All young players have to start from somewhere. So let him get on with that for a bit before we bin one of our greatest ever goalscorers on the back of a few dodgy first touches.
He is going to be 30 and finished. His best days where he score 30+ in a season are well behind him, as evidenced by the last 3 seasons. Also, I really doubt Kane will just go back to being shit again and I'm sure he will score more than 20 goals this season. You talk about Rooney as if he is a world class attacker that will come good again, when in reality there is a deeper rooted problem than a "few dodgy first touches"
Here's an intriguing article on Kane's "overperformance" last year from a statistics & analytics website:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/harry-kane-is-premier-leagues-luckiest-player/
The article essentially concludes that Kane's performance will drop off this year. Last year he outperformed his statistically expected goal return by about 8 goals. They predict a regression toward the expected goal return this season.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/harry-kane-is-premier-leagues-luckiest-player/
The article essentially concludes that Kane's performance will drop off this year. Last year he outperformed his statistically expected goal return by about 8 goals. They predict a regression toward the expected goal return this season.
Yes, and look who's at the top of that table - lucky old Messi and Ronaldo.
It's a confusing piece (and very much fluff, as I find most of 538's pieces on football are), mainly because it doesn't go into what ExpG actually is, and how and when it is calculated, as far as I can tell reading on my phone. But from what I can extrapolate, ExpG is not a fixed measure based on skills, but rather a number of how many goals a player is expected to score based on how many chances he gets? The magic sauce, so to speak, is just in that the quantify how likely you are to score from various chances. But I must surely be missing something, because how on else can he make predictions for the coming season based on a number that he has none of the variables to predict?
But if I'm not missing out on something obvious, they are essentially pointing out that there's a connection between how many goal scoring chances a player has, how "big" the chances are, and how many goals he will score. And, great goal scorers also score more goals from less chances. And, further, that for Kane to keep up his numbers from last season, he has to be a pretty special talent, rather than a one season wonder.
I am glad that we are now finally at a stage where statistics have advanced far enough to uncover previously unknown truths about the beautiful game.
ExpG what the feck?
Nerds are taking over football. I'm switching to cricket.
I actually think it's a relatively interesting measure, they've just pulled some completely stupid conclusions from it and there's no way you could prove that there would be any regression to the norm from the stats.
If a player scores more goals than expected from the chances created for him it shows that they had a better season than could realistically be expected. For the same reason I'd be interested to see how well, or badly, our strikers last season performed on that basis.
All it shows is that last season Kane had a good season, something we already knew, and that the author has no idea what to do with his data so wrote some rubbish.
It doesn't differentiate between being good at finishing and being lucky. Agree the author didn't know what to do with the stats - the table completely contradicted his point about luck as it consisted solely of some of the best finishers around. Kane might struggle to maintain such a high conversion rate, but then maybe Spurs will create more chances for him.
Now thats where I would say regression to the norm does come in. Over the course of several seasons that stat would show who had one good season and who consistently out-performed expectations or, in other words, who is good and who was lucky.
You can't tell that from one season of the stats but I do think it is interesting.
Conclusion: Harry Kane peaked last season, and is now in serious decline.
Remember that crazy purple patch that Aaron Ramsey had a couple of years ago that had people (Arsenal fans) claiming he was the best midfielder in the league?
That was Harry Kane last year. Like Ramsey has done, Kane is playing at his true level now. A good but not great player who was in some outrageous form.
That was Harry Kane last year. Like Ramsey has done, Kane is playing at his true level now. A good but not great player who was in some outrageous form.
To be fair to him, I think Spurs have been absolute dogshit so far.
Maybe Levy will really regret that he didn't sold him this season for +30m pounds...
Easy to say that now three games in.
If you actually watch him he has all the attributes to be a top player. Movement, strength and the ability to get a goal.
On you assessment Rooney would never be a United player on current form.
Watched the game today and it made me drop him from my FPL team...
Watched every minute of Spurs' first three games, regrettably. Whilst it's not all his fault, Kane has been large,y invisible.
I am not a fan of Kane, think he is overhyped but to be fair to him in these opening games he really hasnt had the service.
Just don't see a top player with him but with our desperate need for a striker, he has to be on the list.
I can't say I'm a firm believer in this statistic of "Expected Goals" myself, but it does make for interesting discussion. Over one season we can't tell if an actual goals tally far greater than expected goals is down to luck or skill. But if a player consistently exceeds their expected tally over multiple seasons then it's likely to be skill, I would think. That's why some of the best players have multiple seasons exceeding the statistic prediction and appear on the list multiple times.
He may have been - doesn't make him a bad player.
As I said, watching him last season he showed everything needed to become a top centre forward. As it stands he's not the finished product, he's young and still learning his trade. The pressure is bigger this year but forwards go through spells of good and bad form - Rooney being the prime example. He may not become a great player but he looks to have a decent shot at it.
To write a player off, especially a young player, after three bad games is bizarre. Seems to modern football fans it's all about what you did in your last game. Fickle to say the least.
Problem with Kane is that he's being provided no service and has to do everything himself. What he really needs is a striker upfront alongside him to give the CBs another problem to deal with and provide Kane with more space. All you have to do against Spurs is crowd out Kane and thats their goal threat pretty much nullified.
Wasn't writing him off. Said he was a good player. Just don't see a player who is on the brink of world class like he was portrayed as last season. People talking about him being a £50-60m player soon.
Plenty of strikers have a fantastic first season and then fade away. Let's see what he does now that teams have figured him out.
They don't even need to figure him out, he's just not that good. He's got some ability, he can score goals but that's what strikers do. Elite strikers do more than that. I was saying the same thing all last season too.
Charlie Austin scored just a few less for a poor QPR team. 50 mil bid incoming
Kane has far more to his game than just scoring goals. His contribution to all-round play is generally very good. So I wonder how many full games - not just highlights - you've actually seen him play in.
This season 2 out of 3. He did play quite good against us but was totally anonymous against Leicester. Heard he was not much better last week.
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