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I'm a big fan of this guy and would be delighted to sign him. Couldn't care less how much he costs us.

People that think that he would only be worth 40-50M if he has another very good season are you having a laugh? If he manages another 20-30 goals this season he'll be worth close to 100M and every club that can afford him will be after him.
 
ottosec said:
I'm a big fan of this guy and would be delighted to sign him. Couldn't care less how much he costs us.

People that think that he would only be worth 40-50M if he has another very good season are you having a laugh? If he manages another 20-30 goals this season he'll be worth close to 100M and every club that can afford him will be after him.
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I really can't get my head around this. Why would he be worth 100mil if he scores 20-30 this season?
 
Varun said:
I really can't get my head around this. Why would he be worth 100mil if he scores 20-30 this season?
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Hes english and young, go figure. For that he would instantly be worth more than Aguero, mental!
 
DiceRoller said:
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It's nothing to do with United bias, it's to do with the fact that United(and I'd say this even if I didn't support them) are a massive club compared to Spurs and have always shown the ability to attract big players. And many of them far bigger in stature than Harry Kane.

And seriously, an emotional connection with a sense of debt to them? Best move into the 21st century. He owes them nothing and if you want see how strong his emotional connection is, double his wages and see how that one goes down.

This is a business. Sentiment is long gone out the window.
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Yes it's a business but sentiment is not gone completely. Spurs gave Kane a chance and I believe he'll want to repay that. We can offer him all we want, but he won't kick up the required fuss to make this happen. Next season is a different matter.
 
LonelyFire said:
Yes it's a business but sentiment is not gone completely. Spurs gave Kane a chance and I believe he'll want to repay that. We can offer him all we want, but he won't kick up the required fuss to make this happen. Next season is a different matter.
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I agree to be honest. Generally, money - and the chance to play in the Champions League are huge carrotts for any player. But with younger players, who might have been at a club a long time, its not quite that simple. He might fancy a move, and might even ask Spurs privately to let him go. But I can't see him making a big fuss in public.

He's recently signed a new deal I think and he's been clear earlier in the summer that he was staying at Spurs. The fact that Spurs won't want to sell him - not least because they have nobody else and would pay through the nose at this stage of the transfer window for a half decent replacement, suggest this deal won't happen.
 
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ottosec said:
I'm a big fan of this guy and would be delighted to sign him. Couldn't care less how much he costs us.

People that think that he would only be worth 40-50M if he has another very good season are you having a laugh? If he manages another 20-30 goals this season he'll be worth close to 100M and every club that can afford him will be after him.
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Are you related to Daniel Levy? Seems your valuation is a tad unrealistic for Kane. No way will he be worth 100m next season even if he bangs in 25 goals. I would expect to pay £40m this season and if he has another cracking season then he would probably be worth £55m, his value would go up but not by double. He's young and English and the only reason why he would be worth that amount of money. Charlie Austin got 18 goals last season in the league in a poor QPR side and no one is talking £40m for him.

If he leaves Spurs this season then they could make moves for Austin and Berahino. West Brom have bought some good attackers already so would be prepared to lose Berahino should a bid arrive. Alternatively we could give them Hernandez and £30m or they could go back in for Rodriquez.
 
B20 said:
It's 'valid' only in the sense of being a correct argument. It is however a reprehensible way of looking at it. "oh our sponsorships makes us so much bigger than any player could." Feck that.

Next, there'll be chants to AON in the stands.

"Chevrolet! La lala lala! Chevrolet! La lala lalala!"
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I think you're onto something here. We could monetise our chants.

"Park Park wherever you may be
They eat Dongwon brand top quality meatballs in your home country
It could be worse
You could be scouse
Eating inferior tasting competitor product in your council house"

"Saw my mate
The other day
Said he saw the white Pele
So I asked
Who is this?
And does he know about the potential benefits of CIALIS?
(CIALIS is available by prescription only. For additional information, talk to your healthcare provider )"

"He's big, he's brave, he's Spanish Dave
His hair grows thick with luscious waves
Flying through the aiiiiiiir
Laboratoire Garnieeeeer"

New revenue streams ahoy!
 
Shamwow said:
I think you're onto something here. We could monetise our chants.

"Park Park wherever you may be
They eat Dongwon brand top quality meatballs in your home country
It could be worse
You could be scouse
Eating inferior tasting competitor product in your council house"

"Saw my mate
The other day
Said he saw the white Pele
So I asked
Who is this?
And does he know about the potential benefits of CIALIS?
(CIALIS is available by prescription only. For additional information, talk to your healthcare provider )"

"He's big, he's brave, he's Spanish Dave
His hair grows thick with luscious waves
Flying through the aiiiiiiir
Laboratoire Garnieeeeer"

New revenue streams ahoy!
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:D That was good enjoyed the one about DDG.
 
B20 said:
It's 'valid' only in the sense of being a correct argument. It is however a reprehensible way of looking at it. "oh our sponsorships makes us so much bigger than any player could." Feck that.

Next, there'll be chants to AON in the stands.

"Chevrolet! La lala lala! Chevrolet! La lala lalala!"
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Its a nice idea actually.
Chevrolet la la la
Buy Liverpol la la la!!
 
FujiVice said:
If he leaves Spurs this season then they could make moves for Austin and Berahino. West Brom have bought some good attackers already so would be prepared to lose Berahino should a bid arrive. Alternatively we could give them Hernandez and £30m or they could go back in for Rodriquez.
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This is one thing that could work in the favour of him moving this summer. Spurs have an abundance of replacement options, and could easily sign 2 of those mentioned above if they sell Kane. Who's to say there'll be as many sutable replacements available this time next year?
 
Sir A1ex said:
This is one thing that could work in the favour of him moving this summer. Spurs have an abundance of replacement options, and could easily sign 2 of those mentioned above if they sell Kane. Who's to say there'll be as many sutable replacements available this time next year?
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You never know but Rooney could be out the door next season with the way LVG gets rid of dead wood. Imagine a swap with Rooney for Kane
 
ottosec said:
I'm a big fan of this guy and would be delighted to sign him. Couldn't care less how much he costs us.

People that think that he would only be worth 40-50M if he has another very good season are you having a laugh? If he manages another 20-30 goals this season he'll be worth close to 100M and every club that can afford him will be after him.
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I think Real Madrid will bid £27bn if he gets 22 goals this season. And their bid will be matched by 18 other clubs, some of them from NBA and NFL.

Seriously, this is beyond laughable. No one will ever bid £100m for a player just because he had two decent seasons.
 
Sir A1ex said:
Could be a great piece of business but I'm not sure it's what Spurs need, or that it's in any way likely enough to happen for them to rely on it!
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Tottenham could never afford Rooney wages.
 
Sarni said:
Seriously, this is beyond laughable. No one will ever bid £100m for a player just because he had two decent seasons.
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Agree up to a point, but Madrid paid up for Bale after 3 seasons, and only one where you could argue he really justified such a price. This season or next, anyone bidding for Kane is doing so in the hope of at least 5 seasons of 20+ goals. If he repeats last year's tally this season, the expectation he can achieve that increases significantly.
The Sterling fee has probably set a floor on the price Spurs would consider this summer. In my opinion, Hernandez plus enough cash to get 2 of Rodriguez/Berahino/Austin would be decent business from Spurs perspective. Can't see it happening though...
 
Bale scored that hatrick in the Champions League which got everyone talking as well. Bale was pretty much a one man team, who got everyone talking for a few years. Hence the big money transfer. Kane realistically hasnt got that platform. He'd have to be in the Champions League to shine a light on him in terms of big big money being thrown around for him.

Thing with Kane is, if he is the real deal he's going to have to get it done in the Champions League. A top player cant be messing about at Spurs in 6th place for years on end. If there's a bid that comes in for him from us, he'd better force a move for his own progress.
 
NK86 said:
What do you think his transfer value is currently if you think it would double after having 2 good seasons? Also, would love to know what you think is Aguero's worth if having back-to-back good seasons doubles a player's value.
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Aguero is likely worth somewhere around what Barca paid for Suarez. As far as Kane's value, I think with age, potential, Britishness and all things considered is slightly higher than what Benteke went for. If he repeats this for another season while adding more assists to his repertoire, Levy'd demand close to 60 mil.
 
Wednesday at Stoke said:
Aguero is likely worth somewhere around what Barca paid for Suarez. As far as Kane's value, I think with age, potential, Britishness and all things considered is slightly higher than what Benteke went for. If he repeats this for another season while adding more assists to his repertoire, Levy'd demand close to 60 mil.
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Fair enough. But I think it is insane to spend so much on him. If Suarez goes for 60 odd million, Kane is nowhere near him talent wise and should not cost more than 40 mil. But him being British and a Spurs player means he will cost close to 60 if he has another good season.
 
FujiVice said:
Bale scored that hatrick in the Champions League which got everyone talking as well. Bale was pretty much a one man team, who got everyone talking for a few years. Hence the big money transfer. Kane realistically hasnt got that platform. He'd have to be in the Champions League to shine a light on him in terms of big big money being thrown around for him.

Thing with Kane is, if he is the real deal he's going to have to get it done in the Champions League. A top player cant be messing about at Spurs in 6th place for years on end. If there's a bid that comes in for him from us, he'd better force a move for his own progress.
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Bale was very highly rated since the age of 16 and scored a hat trick in CL that earned him a lot of hype before he was even 20 from what I remember. He had a terrific season just before the transfer, far exceeding Kane's last season in all honesty. Still everyone talked about how silly it was from Real Madrid to have paid £80m for him because he was frankly not worth that sort of money.

Kane was a bit part player on loan in Championship only two years ago. His last season was very good and came a bit out of nowhere, if he repeats these numbers this season then he might justify £40m price tag. Scoring 20 goals as a striker for Spurs does not make you worth £100m, not even close, and it won't make Real Madrid or Barcelona bid for him - that is just silly talk.
 
One thing people are failing to acknowledge in these valuations is his age.

Suarez was 27 when he moved to Barca.

This kid is, what, 22?

Yes, being English (though I would argue Premiership proven carries a similar premium) does make him more valuable. Why? Because the PL is by far the wealthiest league, so the buyers have more money and the market rates are higher.

If he has another superb season and bangs in 25+ goals I think it absolutely would take a Bale like fee to get him. And rightly so.

What would we pay for a new Rooney? In real terms, we paid £80m for him when we bought him.

Not saying he is the next Rooney yet. He was a star from age 18.
 
KingMinger22 said:
One thing people are failing to acknowledge in these valuations is his age.

Suarez was 27 when he moved to Barca.

This kid is, what, 22?

Yes, being English (though I would argue Premiership proven carries a similar premium) does make him more valuable. Why? Because the PL is by far the wealthiest league, so the buyers have more money and the market rates are higher.

If he has another superb season and bangs in 25+ goals I think it absolutely would take a Bale like fee to get him. And rightly so.

What would we pay for a new Rooney? In real terms, we paid £80m for him when we bought him.

Not saying he is the next Rooney yet. He was a star from age 18.
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Two of the wealthiest clubs in the world are actually Spanish.

We did not pay £80m for Rooney in any terms. Inflation considered we paid around £45m which is maximum what Kane should cost IF he has another season like the last one. If we had paid £80m for Rooney I'd be disappointed.
 
Sarni said:
... We did not pay £80m for Rooney in any terms. Inflation considered we paid around £45m which is maximum what Kane should cost ...
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This is all nonsense. Football inflation rates have been far higher than inflation for the rest of the economy. For example, the Transfer Price Index (TPI) calculates that Rooney's equivalent fee was around £71m in 2013-14. That's two years ago. Since then the TPI has climbed very much higher, due primarily to even more massive influxes into the Prem of TV money.

You can read about TPI here: http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2014/2/12/5361336/transfer-fees-inflation
 
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Sarni said:
Two of the wealthiest clubs in the world are actually Spanish.

We did not pay £80m for Rooney in any terms. Inflation considered we paid around £45m which is maximum what Kane should cost IF he has another season like the last one. If we had paid £80m for Rooney I'd be disappointed.
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I would say that inflation in football is more than 100% since we signed Rooney (i.e a player who cost back then 20m now would have cost more than 40m).

Not 80m, but a young Rooney would have cost over 50m IMO. Sterlign who didn't had Rooney's reputation cost that much after all.
 
Revan said:
I would say that inflation in football is more than 100% since we signed Rooney (i.e a player who cost back then 20m now would have cost more than 40m).

Not 80m, but a young Rooney would have cost over 50m IMO. Sterlign who didn't had Rooney's reputation cost that much after all.
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In 2001 Real Madrid paid over £55m for Zidane which was the record fee at the time. Currently the record fee is around £84m. The likes of Mendieta, Crespo, Ronaldo etc. already cost huge amounts of money in early 2000s only it wasn't paid by English clubs so often went unnoticed. United themselves paid £28m for Veron in 2001 - a player like him would currently cost around £45m. £27m we paid for Rooney would translate to around £45m to £50m in the current market. As you say Sterling is a good benchmark, City overpaid a little for him and he ended up costing £47m with only £40m going to Liverpool. No way Kane should ever be worth 2.5 times that much.

£60m+ fees in recent years have been reserved strictly for the best players in the world - Suarez, Bale, Ronaldo, Neymar. Kane does not belong there.
 
GlastonSpur said:
This is all nonsense. Football inflation rates have been far higher than inflation for the rest of the economy. For example, the Transfer Price Index (TPI) calculates that Rooney's equivalent fee was around £71m in 2013-14. That's two years ago. Since then the TPI has climbed very much higher, due primarily to even more massive influxes into the Prem of TV money.

You can read about TPI here: http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2014/2/12/5361336/transfer-fees-inflation
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Why is the quote you replied to associated to my username. That's twice today I've noticed it.
 
Cassidy said:
Hes english and young, go figure. For that he would instantly be worth more than Aguero, mental!
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United also happens to be an english club. Im not even english & i would hate united to win with a starting 11 of complete foreign exports & have the club being treated the way de gea is treating it.

If that is a problem, iv heard there is a club run in the way thats more suited to some of your guys approaches like city thats not too far away.
 
ottosec said:
I'm a big fan of this guy and would be delighted to sign him. Couldn't care less how much he costs us.

People that think that he would only be worth 40-50M if he has another very good season are you having a laugh? If he manages another 20-30 goals this season he'll be worth close to 100M and every club that can afford him will be after him.
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If he scored another 30 goals this season Levy knows going into the Euros 2016 Kanes stock is only going to rise, and he can demand whatever fee he wants.

If he really is the real deal United can get him for half the price he will go for in another season or 2.
 
Santiago_KinderBueno said:
United also happens to be an english club. Im not even english & i would hate united to win with a starting 11 of complete foreign exports & have the club being treated the way de gea is treating it.

If that is a problem, iv heard there is a club run in the way thats more suited to some of your guys approaches like city thats not too far away.
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I don't get your point, how does that make Kane worth anywhere near £100m or worth more than Aguero?

On your last line, don't throw around baseless accusations, no where have I said anything about not wanting english players. If you ask me I would like us to pay £20m for Berahino, you know another young english striker whos valuation is actually realistic.

On the other hand I would like Kane too, but I was specifically responding to someone who said Kane would be worth £100m if he had another season like last year, which is entirely ridiculous.

Word of advice, follow the conversation before quoting me and making baseless assumptions next time, thanks.
 
Sarni said:
In 2001 Real Madrid paid over £55m for Zidane which was the record fee at the time. Currently the record fee is around £84m. The likes of Mendieta, Crespo, Ronaldo etc. already cost huge amounts of money in early 2000s only it wasn't paid by English clubs so often went unnoticed. United themselves paid £28m for Veron in 2001 - a player like him would currently cost around £45m. £27m we paid for Rooney would translate to around £45m to £50m in the current market. As you say Sterling is a good benchmark, City overpaid a little for him and he ended up costing £47m with only £40m going to Liverpool. No way Kane should ever be worth 2.5 times that much.

£60m+ fees in recent years have been reserved strictly for the best players in the world - Suarez, Bale, Ronaldo, Neymar. Kane does not belong there.
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Zidane was a top 2 player in the world back then. Ronaldo/Messi would cost now over 110m. A young Neymar/Bale cost over 80m, and Ronaldo (a top 2 player) cost 80m 6 years ago.

Sterling neither has Rooney's reputation, nor is as good as Rooney was back then and cost 50m.

Rodriguez cost over 60m despite not being one of the best. David Luiz cost 50m.
 
Revan said:
Zidane was a top 2 player in the world back then. Ronaldo/Messi would cost now over 110m. A young Neymar/Bale cost over 80m, and Ronaldo (a top 2 player) cost 80m 6 years ago.

Sterling neither has Rooney's reputation, nor is as good as Rooney was back then and cost 50m.

Rodriguez cost over 60m despite not being one of the best. David Luiz cost 50m.
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Fine, then at a push Rooney might have been £60m now (although he was 18 and not nearly as established as James Rodriguez or Bale). Still, £100m for Kane is as laughable as it gets.
 
Sarni said:
Two of the wealthiest clubs in the world are actually Spanish.

We did not pay £80m for Rooney in any terms. Inflation considered we paid around £45m which is maximum what Kane should cost IF he has another season like the last one. If we had paid £80m for Rooney I'd be disappointed.
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Two of the richest clubs are Spanish and hen the rest of the league is pretty much strapped for cash. It means the selling clubs do not have he same financial stability to rebuff bids for their players.
 
Sarni said:
Fine, then at a push Rooney might have been £60m now (although he was 18 and not nearly as established as James Rodriguez or Bale). Still, £100m for Kane is as laughable as it gets.
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Disagree. Rooney was as hyped as it gets when we got him. No point in revisionist theory here. And, we got him for a relative pittance in retrospect. Kane looks the real deal, and his price is the seller's price. There is no macro-economical equivalent.
 
KingMinger22 said:
Two of the richest clubs are Spanish and hen the rest of the league is pretty much strapped for cash. It means the selling clubs do not have he same financial stability to rebuff bids for their players.
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I have to disagree. United isn't far from being the richest club around who banks off purely football and commercial revenue, the only exception being the Arab Sheikh clubs - whose income has absolutely nothing to do with football. There's a big reason Chelsea has scaled back spending, in comparison to PSG and City.

Madrid and Barca are "hog-tied" to La Liga's diminishing returns in television revenue. The future cannot be brighter for the Premier League. NBC just pushed all their chips across the table on the Premier League - outstripping a Fox/ESPN consortium bid in the U.S. I haven't seen the numbers yet, but it must be huge.
 
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