Harry Kane

[amolbhatia50k]

Phil Neville thinks United should sign Kane. He also spoke about how United have always had a British spine and thinks it's imprint ant for them to continue that.

United signing Kane would be a gamble, but all signing have that element to them. I'd take the gamble if I was United.

Probably the thinking that gave us David Moyes.

Quality > Nationality

As long as we are convinced of his quality, I'd go along with it and be optimistic. He has had an excellent season after all.

 

[Xaviesta]

Probably the thinking that gave us David Moyes.

Quality > Nationality

As long as we are convinced of his quality, I'd go along with it and be optimistic. He has had an excellent season after all.

I read that quote from Phil Neville on sky and found it ridiculous.

 

[NK86]

That just isn't true though is it. In his first 6 seasons at Arsenal his record was 76 goals in 196 appearances, that is a goal every 2.68 games, a record that is very far removed from being 'lethal'. I actually think that he only had two world class seasons rather than three.

I do think that Kane does have a more rounded skill set than Van Persie too. I think that he is better in the air, a better poacher and a better dribbler. In terms of skill set I would say that Kane is a complete forward. That doesn't mean that I think he will definitely be better than Van Persie or have a better career. He could flop and disappear but I doubt that he will.

What you guys are not taking into account is he was not the lead striker in those years. He used to play as an inside forward/#10/winger most of that time and was second fiddle to some other top players which Arsenal had in the CF position. Kane has played as the lead striker this term. Having seen Kane, he does not have VP's dribbling ability to play as an inside forward. So that point of him having a more rounded game is not true.
VP has been world class since he moved centrally for Arsenal and his last season for Arsenal and first season for us have been both better than Kane in almost every regard.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I read that quote from Phil Neville on sky and found it ridiculous.

I just hope we sign the best players available. Not sign British player because he's British, or a Scottish manager because we used to have one.

Either way, if Lvg is truly convinced, then I guess he must see huge potential in Kane and would be convinced that he could see him keeping his last season form up consistently. If he improves his technical game, his game of last season would actually add a lot to our football. My main reservation is the sample size we have to judge him by. So if the management is already convinced, my hesitation becomes nullified.

 

[MJJ]

I'd like to wait and see. Right now, I'm not convinced he's capable of becoming a top striker and hence of any "world class level" seasons, let alone 3.

Better career is subjective.

I would also ideally let him stay at spurs for another season for his development atleast, but the issues is if he repeats this next season his price will soar to gareth bale level. The same concerns were put forward then too after his first season.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

What you guys are not taking into account is he was not the lead striker in those years. He used to play as an inside forward/#10/winger most of that time and was second fiddle to some other top players which Arsenal had in the CF position. Kane has played as the lead striker this term. Having seen Kane, he does not have VP's dribbling ability to play as an inside forward. So that point of him having a more rounded game is not true.
VP has been world class since he moved centrally for Arsenal and his last season for Arsenal and first season for us have been both better than Kane in almost every regard.

Yeah Rvp used to be like Rooney, a second striker. As relevant in link up play as final third impact. He was actually pretty lethal. He always gave the impression that finishing came naturally to him, especially every time he had a run of fitness.

And I don't get how anyone who has watched Rvp can say Kane is more well rounded than him. It's if by being a striker, quality on the ball is irrelevant to being well rounded. Kane might have a fantastic career and go on to even better things than this season, but he's not, as things stand, anywhere near as well complete.

 

[Sweet Square]

Isn't Spurs still the best club for him at the moment(No one's really knows he would deal with pressure of a big money move to United and this is really he's first season performing at this high level).

So while the chance to move to United most players it never happens and for Kane's this could be his one chance in his career, you would have to think that another season at Spurs is really that smart move.

Have the same sort of season as the last one and he'll offers from every big club around.

 

[MDFC Manager]

I do think that Kane does have a more rounded skill set than Van Persie too. I think that he is better in the air, a better poacher and a better dribbler. In terms of skill set I would say that Kane is a complete forward. That doesn't mean that I think he will definitely be better than Van Persie or have a better career. He could flop and disappear but I doubt that he will.

I want us to sign Kane and I think he'll be excellent for us, but in no way is he more complete than RvP. RvP is one of the most complete strikers in recent times. The only advantages Kane holds is on account of being nearly a decade younger than RvP.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I would also ideally let him stay at spurs for another season for his development atleast, but the issues is if he repeats this next season his price will soar to gareth bale level. The same concerns were put forward then too after his first season.

And we might find a better striker by that time. It's hardly a Kane or nothing scenario.

Let's be honest there, British players don't tend to be the absolute best anyway. Do we think Kane can reach the level of Aguero and co.? If we think the answer is yes, then go ahead, spunk 40 million pounds on him by all means. But that is the level of striker we need. We've had Rooney, ronaldo, and Rvp in recent times. The standards should be very high.

 

[MDFC Manager]

I would also ideally let him stay at spurs for another season for his development atleast, but the issues is if he repeats this next season his price will soar to gareth bale level. The same concerns were put forward then too after his first season.

That's my concern as well. IMO It's now or never for us. Next season city could be looking to replace Aguero, Chelsea might want to add a striker. Ibra at PSG isn't getting younger and of course Madrid are always sniffing around. There's already a dearth of top class strikers in the market.

 

[MJJ]

And we might find a better striker by that time. It's hardly a Kane or nothing scenario.

Let's be honest there, British players don't tend to be the absolute best anyway. Do we think Kane can reach the level of Aguero and co.? If we think the answer is yes, then go ahead, spunk 40 million pounds on him by all means. But that is the level of striker we need. We've had Rooney, ronaldo, and Rvp in recent times. The standards should be very high.

That is a very good point, its why I dont understand our insistence on buying british in recent times. But the problem is there arent any really promising young strikers on the continent better than him. Lacazatte is doing it in a weaker league, dybala and vietto arent available, and I dont think icardi is any better than him. Morata would probably go back to madrid as well.

 

[MDFC Manager]

One thing's for certain though, if we're going to persist with our current lot of strikers, the likes of Memphis and Mata will have to step up big time, with their goal outputs.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

That is a very good point, its why I dont understand our insistence on buying british in recent times. But the problem is there arent any really promising young strikers on the continent better than him. Lacazatte is doing it in a weaker league, dybala and vietto arent available, and I dont think icardi is any better than him. Morata would probably go back to madrid as well.

Obviously if he's the absolute best option around, and were convinced he's better for us up top than Rooney than we have to go for him.

I would find it surprising if no strikers make the step up to being top top quality over the next 3 years. I've never seen that happen.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

@amolbhatia100

I am surprised that you think Kane needs to improve technically. I think that he has a great touch, turns with the ball fantastically and is a intelligent passer. Where do you think his game lacks in this regard?

I want us to sign Kane and I think he'll be excellent for us, but in no way is he more complete than RvP. RvP is one of the most complete strikers in recent times. The only advantages Kane holds is on account of being nearly a decade younger than RvP.

I really don't see RVP as a complete forward at all, for a start he has scored a paucity of headed goals and is not a top level penalty box striker. How are you framing a complete forward?

Don't get me wrong. Van Persie is otherworldly when he is on form and has one of the best left foots that I have ever seen. He looks after the ball well and can work the channels to great effect. I don't think he is a great technical dribbler but he rarely loses the ball when moving with it.

 

[NK86]

I would also ideally let him stay at spurs for another season for his development atleast, but the issues is if he repeats this next season his price will soar to gareth bale level. The same concerns were put forward then too after his first season.

Well if we spunk 50 million pounds on him now, as I think that is what it will take for Levy to consider his sale, and he flops then where would that leave us? Spending another huge chunk next season for another striker while we struggle next season. If we are going to spend that kind of money, I would rather we get someone who is proven world class quality.

 

[NK86]

@amolbhatia100

I am surprised that you think Kane needs to improve technically. I think that he has a great touch, turns with the ball fantastically and is a intelligent passer. Where do you think his game lacks in this regard?



I really don't see RVP as a complete forward at all, for a start he has scored a paucity of headed goals and is not a top level penalty box striker. How are you framing a complete forward?

Don't get me wrong. Van Persie is otherworldly when he is on form and has one of the best left foots that I have ever seen. He looks after the ball well and can work the channels to great effect. I don't think he is a great technical dribbler but he rarely loses the ball when moving with it.

What does the bold part even mean? He has scored all types of goals in his career and the kind of skills he has scored even for us, Kane can only dream of doing that currently.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

@amolbhatia100

I am surprised that you think Kane needs to improve technically. I think that he has a great touch, turns with the ball fantastically and is a intelligent passer. Where do you think his game lacks in this regard?.

I find him intelligent on the ball but given were talking about a potential transfer to Manchester United, in terms of technical quality, we have to compare him to Aguero, Rvp, Suarez, Lewandowski etc. i.e elite striker territory.

I've seen tonight to suggest he currently has that. He's not the player who "wows" you with his technical quality whereas Rvp or Aguero regularly do/did.

He's younger so there's that but improvements will have to be there.

Unless he's a absolute beast of a goalscorer throughout his career like Rvn of course, but I can judge that after one season of 21 premier league goals.

I really don't see RVP as a complete forward at all, for a start he has scored a paucity of headed goals and is not a top level penalty box striker. How are you framing a complete forward?.

For me, a complete striker is one who scores goals as you'd expect, but also has the game to hurt in other aspects. It's the reason why Rvn was not as complete as Henry. Henry would pick up the ball and scare defenders shitless. It's why Suarez is complete. He misses a few chances just like Rvp did but again, he can run at you, bully you, and play a lovely pass as well. Same as Rvp at his best, technically one of the very best, great with his back to goal, great in the buildup, and a fine left foot.

For me, complete attackers are not those that merely have great physique and can jump, head and shoot. It's the ones that can score and create and influence the game in different ways.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

@NK86

Hernandez is a penalty box striker. It isn't an uncommon term.

@amolbhatia100

For me a complete striker is someone like Shearer or Batistuta. Strikers that score every type of goal.

 

[acnumber9]

That is a very good point, its why I dont understand our insistence on buying british in recent times. But the problem is there arent any really promising young strikers on the continent better than him. Lacazatte is doing it in a weaker league, dybala and vietto arent available, and I dont think icardi is any better than him. Morata would probably go back to madrid as well.

There are rules stating we have to.

 

[NK86]

@NK86

Hernandez is a penalty box striker. It isn't an uncommon term.

@amolbhatia100

For me a complete striker is someone like Shearer or Batistuta. Strikers that score every type of goal.

And RvP is as good as Kane in the penalty box.

 

[Dracula]

I think if there was anything to this we'd have heard more about it.

The original tweet that stayed this was from an ex player who got it from rooney? That seems to be the extent of it. Maybe rooney tring to get his opinion across, which is strange considering if kane was bought it would probably be rooney that loses out!

Think it says a lot that the original tweet was deleted too.

Don't think there's anything real to this

 

[MJJ]

Obviously if he's the absolute best option around, and were convinced he's better for us up top than Rooney than we have to go for him.

I would find it surprising if no strikers make the step up to being top top quality over the next 3 years. I've never seen that happen.

I dont think we can wait another 3 years to replace rooney though, he is already 29 and dont think he is aging well. We would need to give whoever break through another season to prove himself(otherwise its the kane situation again) so really it would have to be the next season for someone to stop up.

Thats why I would prefer signiing someone like firmino this season, and move falcao/rvp on. Someone who can cover a striker if needed but plays primarily in another position.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I dont think we can wait another 3 years to replace rooney though, he is already 29 and dont think he is aging well. We would need to give whoever break through another season to prove himself(otherwise its the kane situation again) so really it would have to be the next season for someone to stop up.

Thats why I would prefer signiing someone like firmino this season, and move falcao/rvp on. Someone who can cover a striker if needed but plays primarily in another position.

I would also prefer us to sign someone with big potential right now who can take over from Rooney soon, just not sure about Kane yet. Ideally it would be someone with more class on the ball.

 

[MJJ]

I would also prefer us to sign someone with big potential right now who can take over from Rooney soon, just not sure about Kane yet. Ideally it would be someone with more class on the ball.

Someone like a young benzema/martinez would be perfect. As long as we surround our striker with technical players, I think we can manage with someone who is strong/quick and can occupy both the defenders. Get someone like Isco/Firmino as a number 10, and someone like reus/felipe anderson as a RW and we will be well set for the future.

I still have hopes that wilson will develop into that player although atm, think he will do better in a counter attacking system with space to run onto.

 

[Sarni]

Probably the thinking that gave us David Moyes.

Quality > Nationality

As long as we are convinced of his quality, I'd go along with it and be optimistic. He has had an excellent season after all.

True, especially as you can clearly see that England is a distance behind plenty of nations in terms of talent at the moment - though I believe there's a lack of talent in football these days when you look at the quality of young players produced by top nations, look at Brazil team and they're a distance behind what they used to be, ditto Italy, France and Netherlands and even Spain and Argentina if we consider just youth players. Of course plenty of them will exceed expectations and go on to become brilliant but there are very few genuinely exciting players.

 

[Freak]

I like Kane. He's a very complete young striker. Strength, control, good finisher, fast, good in the air. We should get him.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

True, especially as you can clearly see that England is a distance behind plenty of nations in terms of talent at the moment - though I believe there's a lack of talent in football these days when you look at the quality of young players produced by top nations, look at Brazil team and they're a distance behind what they used to be, ditto Italy, France and Netherlands and even Spain and Argentina if we consider just youth players. Of course plenty of them will exceed expectations and go on to become brilliant but there are very few genuinely exciting players.

That just isn't true. The current England team has a dearth of talent compared to recent years but we are producing at youth level at the moment. The U17 England side won the European Championships last year and a number of the players from that side were in the all conquering Chelsea side of this season that won the youth Champions League. The two English strikers from that side scored 75 goals between them this season.

The England U21 go into the Euro Championships as second favourites and recently deservedly beat the favourites Germany. The U21 side has an exceptional record in recent times.

The youth football watchers on here will also tell you that the younger generation coming through are even better.

 

[Bwuk]

I like Kane, but the worry is Rooney will be shoe horned into the side, and probably as a #10 behind him. Rooney + Kane together would lack pace.

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

I like Kane. He's a very complete young striker. Strength, control, good finisher, fast, good in the air. We should get him.

But for £40million though? I like the guy but I would really be disappointed if that is the amount we are spending on still quite unproven players.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

That just isn't true. The current England team has a dearth of talent compared to recent years but we are producing at youth level at the moment. The U17 England side won the European Championships last year and a number of the players from that side were in the all conquering Chelsea side of this season that won the youth Champions League. The two English strikers from that side scored 75 goals between them this season.

The England U21 go into the Euro Championships as second favourites and recently deservedly beat the favourites Germany. The U21 side has an exceptional record in recent times.

The youth football watchers on here will also tell you that the younger generation coming through are even better.

Interesting, but also a shame that Chelsea have a majority of those talents.

 

[Freak]

But for £40million though? I like the guy but I would really be disappointed if that is the amount we are spending on still quite unproven players.

We've always paid big money for top English talents. See Rooney and Rio. 40m is just the inflationary rate these days.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

We've always paid big money for top English talents. See Rooney and Rio. 40m is just the inflationary rate these days.

Of course. But do you think Kane can reach the heights in his position that Ferdinand did in his?

 

[JoaquinJoaquin]

We've always paid big money for top English talents. See Rooney and Rio. 40m is just the inflationary rate these days.

Rio was much more proven at the time though, In fact he was excellent at Leeds and good at West Ham before that.

Rooney was an exceptional talent when he broke through, One England hadn't seen since Gazza in reality (Owen you could argue potentially). He had the makings of a star even from his debut, I just don't get that vibe from Harry Kane in truth. Don't get me wrong I think Kane can become a top player IF he continues to improve (and that is a big if as of right now), But I cannot see him potentially challenging for the Balon D'Or type awards.

 

[Elliott]

But for £40million though? I like the guy but I would really be disappointed if that is the amount we are spending on still quite unproven players.

You're looking at this all wrong. Don't think of it as spending 40 million on a potential one-season wonder, think of it as spending 40 million on a potential one-season wonder and getting rid of @GlastonSpur for all eternity.

 

[Hernandez - BFA]

Prefer someone with more pace. Plus, see whether he's not a one-season wonder.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Interesting, but also a shame that Chelsea have a majority of those talents.

It is also a shame that there are hardly any English United players involved for England from U16 up.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It is also a shame that there are hardly any English United players involved for England from U16 up.

Yep. Most of the best teams in recent times are the dominant force when it comes to the national talent pool.

 

[RedRonaldo]

I'd say no to Kane at 40m for now, as many has already pointed out, he doesn't have the wow factor in him and 1 good season is all he has got at the moment. But if he managed that scoring rate in another season or 2, I wouldn't mind buying him for that price though.

 

[MJJ]

That just isn't true. The current England team has a dearth of talent compared to recent years but we are producing at youth level at the moment. The U17 England side won the European Championships last year and a number of the players from that side were in the all conquering Chelsea side of this season that won the youth Champions League. The two English strikers from that side scored 75 goals between them this season.

The England U21 go into the Euro Championships as second favourites and recently deservedly beat the favourites Germany. The U21 side has an exceptional record in recent times.

The youth football watchers on here will also tell you that the younger generation coming through are even better.

Not sure about the U17 side, but out of that U21 side I really only see a few stand out talents. Stones is in a class of his own, while the likes of garbutt,redmond and ward-prowse are 50/50. The rest simply wont ever be good enough.

 

[Jammydodger7]

But for £40million though? I like the guy but I would really be disappointed if that is the amount we are spending on still quite unproven players.

Thatsv the market nowadays. Benteke is valued at 35 mil. I'd much rather spend an extra 5 mil to get Kane. Lukaku went for 30 mil last season. 40 would be a great price I think.