Harry Kane

[Trizy]

'Kane 9' has a lovely ring to it.

I can picture him as a United player.

K9!

 

[Cassidy]

Benteke’s goals came in 2012/2013 though: he’s scored 11 and 15 in the past two seasons, which is much less impressive than Kane. Especially considering Kane is about 3 years younger than Benteke, and fairly likely to continue improving over time.

And while you make a decent point that Kane had more games to play in, therefore could score more goals over the season, it’s arguably quite impressive in that he’s shown he can sustain a good goal record in a variety of competitions over an entire season, despite playing in a lot of games, since that’s what he’d ideally be doing here if we ever did sign him.

I don’t even think Kane is all that great myself, but unless he suddenly regresses next season, I’d say he’s a better player than Benteke at the moment personally.

My response was to the point that you said what Kane has done is far more than Benteke has ever done. Which isn't true. On top of that Benteke is a proven goalscorer at EPL level over a longer period than Kane.
I think Kane had a better season, but he hasn't exactly out done Bentekes best season, and he hasn't shown longevity as Benteke has, that remains to be seen.

 

[JUPITER]

K9!

Iconic.

 

[Walrus]

Excited is probably the wrong word to use. But it's not beyond possibility that he'd be just as happy to spend his whole career at Tottenham, become a complete club legend, and break records. Every player has ambition, but not every player has the same ambition.

Shearer would be an example. Heck, even Andy Carroll apparently wasn't that moved by the big step up to join Liverpool.
No idea if that would be the case for Kane specifically, but it's not laughable that he'd be as happy to stay at his boyhood club as he would joining United.

Its an interesting point, but I do feel that for the vast, vast majority of footballers they will want to play at the highest level they can achieve - which in this context means competing for the CL and PL. I just dont think it is that realistic that a player who could potentially be doing that, to settle for Top 6ish finishes and perhaps a Europa League. Steven Gerrard stuck at Liverpool for almost his entire career and never won the league. If he could go back and do it again, would he have joined Chelsea back in 2005 or so? Maybe, maybe not.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Work in advertising for 24 years & you'd know.

That's like saying I should learn how to drive before I can understand that speeding kills. My argument is this: a striker who is experiencing success at United would be super marketable unless he was an arsehole plus socially awkward. Right now Kane's only genuine advantage over a Benteke is he is English. Yet on a global scale I doubt that would matter much. That is why I'm skeptical of calling Kane more marketable. Especially when it is a total unknown if he can sustain the potential marketability that being young, hard working English and thus far a success, has given him

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Well then you're quite frankly not that clever.

That's rich coming from a person whose only contribution to the discussion at hand is a play ground insult worthy of only grade 6's.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Kane's profile is easily already much bigger than that of Benteke.....

Because he is a young, hard working, English local lad who has hit success. It could just as easily vanish if things went bad for him. After just one season someone can't realistically start telling us about his marketability when it is currently utterly unknown whether it is sustainable. Since he has had only 1 successful season to date.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

I think Benteke this season has shown what he's about. If he wants to be on it he can be unplayable. At United he would want to be on it all the time.

I agree.

 

[Manchester Dan]

Andy Cole reckons that you should scrap any Kane bid and put a £60m bid in for Aguero.

Good job he was a footballer.

 

[pauldyson1uk]

Andy Cole reckons that you should scrap any Kane bid and put a £60m bid in for Aguero.

Good job he was a footballer.

he does have a point, who would you rather have ?

 

[Striker10]

I don't think you could lose with either Benteke or Kane. I know this was Kanes break out season but he scored a good variety of goals. Defenders may get closer to him but that can make space for others and I think he will be able to deal with it. You don't really know if Rooney has come out and said anything but you would think if he has, he'd have already talked to Kane since it would be really stupid to bid all summer only for Spurs to perhaps accept (if your lucky) and Kane reject it. I think it's more likely Bales ruled himself out and in all likely hood we need a striker so the media make a guess. Benteke would be far easier to get so it's an interesting time. Benteke, Kane and/or Sterling would really give us great hope for the future.

England don't always produce quality players but we have to be first in queue should they be an option. Some young English lads get overrated but I don't think Kane is

 

[Offside]

I think Benteke this season has shown what he's about. If he wants to be on it he can be unplayable. At United he would want to be on it all the time.

He lacks something. More of a Liverpool/Spurs signing not United.

 

[MJJ]

he does have a point, who would you rather have ?

City will never sell though.

 

[Striker10]

He lacks something. More of a Liverpool/Spurs signing not United.

Benteke at either club would probably still be a 20 a goal player. Could he do it at United? I don't see why not to be honest. He doesn't have the profile, but some of our best buys have been Benteke like.

 

[Offside]

Benteke at either club would probably still be a 20 a goal player. Could he do it at United? I don't see why not to be honest. He doesn't have the profile, but some of our best buys have been Benteke like.

I think you may be right yeah.

 

[senorgregster]

He lacks something. More of a Liverpool/Spurs signing not United.

How would you compare Benteke to the likes of Cole, Yorke, Saha, Ole and Hernandez? I think in terms of success he'd end up in that grouping. Kane is too early to tell for me, but I think if he came here he would fall between this grouping and the upper grouping of Rooney, RVP and RVN.

 

[limerickcitykid]

Benteke at either club would probably still be a 20 a goal player. Could he do it at United? I don't see why not to be honest. He doesn't have the profile, but some of our best buys have been Benteke like.

I see it the same way, even if Benteke isn't world class I think he'd bag high numbers here. We play loads of crosses, as much as people on here don't like crosses, we play them, we always have and it doesn't look like changing anytime soon. With Benteke we'd actually have someone to bully defenders and win some of those crosses.

 

[Everest Red]

That's like saying I should learn how to drive before I can understand that speeding kills. My argument is this: a striker who is experiencing success at United would be super marketable unless he was an arsehole plus socially awkward. Right now Kane's only genuine advantage over a Benteke is he is English. Yet on a global scale I doubt that would matter much. That is why I'm skeptical of calling Kane more marketable. Especially when it is a total unknown if he can sustain the potential marketability that being young, hard working English and thus far a success, has given him

There's more to it honestly. Valencia could constantly match, say, Rooney or Bale and he wouldn't be as marketable. Suarez could have a great season in Barca for the rest of his career and he wouldn't be as marketable as Neymar. (And he wouldn't be close to Messi)

 

[Varun]

he does have a point, who would you rather have ?

There's no point. City won't sell.

 

[devilish]

Andy Cole reckons that you should scrap any Kane bid and put a £60m bid in for Aguero.

Good job he was a footballer.

Imagine what would have happened if we insisted on getting world class instead of turning to that English striker whom, back then, could only score goals for Newcastle.

 

[Bwuk]

I like Kane, but I'd rather someone quicker and more dynamic.

 

[Ringo 07]

Van Persie on form is 3 times the player that Kane could ever dream to be...the big question is whether Van Perise can be a top 5 in the world player next season after a proper rest which he never got after the world cup last summer........There's definitely a chance that Van Persie can be our most important player next season after a proper summer rest......I wouldn't doubt for a second that RVP can achieve that

 

[NoPace]

Benteke at either club would probably still be a 20 a goal player. Could he do it at United? I don't see why not to be honest. He doesn't have the profile, but some of our best buys have been Benteke like.

I don't really disagree in that we have so much possession, so little penetration and hit so many crosses (and Memphis and whatever RB we sign should improve that delivery a bit next year) and Benteke would presumably get his head to enough of them to go on some of those scoring binges he seems capable of, but isn't that all true of Hernandez with maybe a few less headers but a few more runs in behind?

Benteke gives the ball away a lot but is still better at linking play when coming deep than Hernandez, but if we gave Hernandez 30 starts and 5 sub appearances I think he'd also get at least 15.

If it's a 15-20 million pound difference I'm not sure that's worth it. Rather spend that on the best teenage talent we can find and hope to end up with a star like Ronaldo or towards a top CB, GK, CM or RB.

 

[NK86]

Benteke’s goals came in 2012/2013 though: he’s scored 11 and 15 in the past two seasons, which is much less impressive than Kane. Especially considering Kane is about 3 years younger than Benteke, and fairly likely to continue improving over time.

And while you make a decent point that Kane had more games to play in, therefore could score more goals over the season, it’s arguably quite impressive in that he’s shown he can sustain a good goal record in a variety of competitions over an entire season, despite playing in a lot of games, since that’s what he’d ideally be doing here if we ever did sign him.

I don’t even think Kane is all that great myself, but unless he suddenly regresses next season, I’d say he’s a better player than Benteke at the moment personally.

Benteke's first season in the PL was 2012-13 and he was every bit as good as Kane, playing for a worse team than Spurs. After that he has had injuries and Lambert happened to Villa.

The funny part is you are admitting that Benteke has regressed since his first season in the PL where he was excellent, but you go on to claim that Kane will be a better player as you don't see him regressing although he has only played one season so far and his numbers are similar to Benteke's. Based on what exactly do you think that Kane won't be a one season wonder and his career won't take a similar route to Benteke's?

 

[RedRonaldo]

I am not sure about Kane yet, he could be the next Shearer or Andy Carroll, and he will cost us a fortune for sure.

 

[Hal9000]

Van Persie on form is 3 times the player that Kane could ever dream to be...the big question is whether Van Perise can be a top 5 in the world player next season after a proper rest which he never got after the world cup last summer........There's definitely a chance that Van Persie can be our most important player next season after a proper summer rest......I wouldn't doubt for a second that RVP can achieve that

Saying Kane at 21 will never hit the same level as a 31 year old Van Persie is a bit outlandish. Kane has every chance of getting to that level over the next 10 years of his career.

 

[MJJ]

Van Persie on form is 3 times the player that Kane could ever dream to be...the big question is whether Van Perise can be a top 5 in the world player next season after a proper rest which he never got after the world cup last summer........There's definitely a chance that Van Persie can be our most important player next season after a proper summer rest......I wouldn't doubt for a second that RVP can achieve that

Van persie at 21 had just signed for arsenal and only played 26 games, scoring 5 goals.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Van Persie on form is 3 times the player that Kane could ever dream to be...the big question is whether Van Perise can be a top 5 in the world player next season after a proper rest which he never got after the world cup last summer........There's definitely a chance that Van Persie can be our most important player next season after a proper summer rest......I wouldn't doubt for a second that RVP can achieve that

Van Persie has only once scored more goals than Kane has this season in his whole career. RVP is a beautiful striker of the ball and one of the most aesthetically pleasing players in world football but Kane has a more rounded skill set.

'5 times better' is absolute tosh though.

 

[NK86]

Van Persie has only once scored more goals than Kane has this season in his whole career. RVP is a beautiful striker of the ball and one of the most aesthetically pleasing players in world football but Kane has a more rounded skill set.

'5 times better' is absolute tosh though.

That is because of his injury record. If you see goals to games ratio, RvP has always been one of the most lethal. As for Kane having a more rounded skill set, don't even know where to begin. What does Kane have which RvP does not? God, one good season and the usual hype about a young English player begins. Amazing!

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Van persie at 21 had just signed for arsenal and only played 26 games, scoring 5 goals.

More that anything, that goes to show that you have to look at more than just goals. I'd be shocked if Kane reaches anywhere near Rvp's levels.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Van Persie has only once scored more goals than Kane has this season in his whole career. RVP is a beautiful striker of the ball and one of the most aesthetically pleasing players in world football but Kane has a more rounded skill set.

'5 times better' is absolute tosh though.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

 

[MJJ]

More that anything, that goes to show that you have to look at more than just goals. I'd be shocked if Kane reaches anywhere near Rvp's levels.

While he might not reach RVP's peak, I think he can have a better career. Its weird given how talented he is but RVP has only had three seasons in which he was playing at a world class level.

 

[NK86]

While he might not reach RVP's peak, I think he can have a better career. Its weird given how talented he is but RVP has only had three seasons in which he was playing at a world class level.

That has more to do with his injuries. He was absolutely lethal for most of his career, but his injuries really spoiled what could have been. Really don't know how anyone can say Kane can have a better career based on one season. He may very well do good but unless he moves to a big club where he is the lead #9 and is scoring regularly, it will be difficult for him to reach the heights which many people think he can.

 

[MJJ]

That has more to do with his injuries. He was absolutely lethal for most of his career, but his injuries really spoiled what could have been. Really don't know how anyone can say Kane can have a better career based on one season. He may very well do good but unless he moves to a big club where he is the lead #9 and is scoring regularly, it will be difficult for him to reach the heights which many people think he can.

Doesnt really change what I said though, does it?

 

[Classical Mechanic]

That has more to do with his injuries. He was absolutely lethal for most of his career, but his injuries really spoiled what could have been. Really don't know how anyone can say Kane can have a better career based on one season. He may very well do good but unless he moves to a big club where he is the lead #9 and is scoring regularly, it will be difficult for him to reach the heights which many people think he can.

That just isn't true though is it. In his first 6 seasons at Arsenal his record was 76 goals in 196 appearances, that is a goal every 2.68 games, a record that is very far removed from being 'lethal'. I actually think that he only had two world class seasons rather than three.

I do think that Kane does have a more rounded skill set than Van Persie too. I think that he is better in the air, a better poacher and a better dribbler. In terms of skill set I would say that Kane is a complete forward. That doesn't mean that I think he will definitely be better than Van Persie or have a better career. He could flop and disappear but I doubt that he will.

 

[MJJ]

That just isn't true though is it. In his first 6 seasons at Arsenal his record was 76 goals in 196 appearances, that is a goal every 2.68 games, a record that is very far removed from being 'lethal'. I actually think that he only had two world class seasons rather than three.

I do think that Kane does have a more rounded skill set than Van Persie too. I think that he is better in the air, a better poacher and a better dribbler. In terms of skill set I would say that Kane is a complete forward. That doesn't mean that I think he will definitely be better than Van Persie or have a better career. He could flop and disappear but I doubt that he will.

Thats why I put two/three. The third one is debatable as he was very good in the second half of the season and then carried it over to his 12/13 season. After which we signed him, basically he had a very good 18 months.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

While he might not reach RVP's peak, I think he can have a better career. Its weird given how talented he is but RVP has only had three seasons in which he was playing at a world class level.

I'd like to wait and see. Right now, I'm not convinced he's capable of becoming a top striker and hence of any "world class level" seasons, let alone 3.

Better career is subjective.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I do think that Kane does have a more rounded skill set than Van Persie too. I think that he is better in the air, a better poacher and a better dribbler. In terms of skill set I would say that Kane is a complete forward. That doesn't mean that I think he will definitely be better than Van Persie or have a better career. He could flop and disappear but I doubt that he will.

Definitely not a better dribbler given his technical quality is not a patch of Van Persie's. (Yet)

I would imagine a more complete striker would be one who apart from scoring goals had the touch and class on the ball to go along with it, which Rvp had, and Kane doesn't. He's much more limited than Rvp.

 

[Xaviesta]

Phil Neville thinks United should sign Kane. He also spoke about how United have always had a British spine and thinks it's imprint ant for them to continue that.

United signing Kane would be a gamble, but all signing have that element to them. I'd take the gamble if I was United.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

So is Kane more complete than Suarez also? Given Suarez isn't the ultimate "poacher" I.e takes a few chances to score, nor a brilliant header of the ball.