There are at least 10 better options than Kane at that price. We should stay well away.
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I'm far from Kane's biggest advocate, as seen in here, but I'd love to know these 10 better options that we could realistically obtain, especially ones who are around his age mark. Care to list them?
If anything the lack of other options seems to be the main reason we're potentially going for him.
The previous poster, you identified him as "class for us" and less risky than Kane.
Continue with your pedantry by all means.
The season Liverpool signed Carroll he scored 13 goals in all competitions for themselves and Newcastle. How is that similar to 31?
He's 21. That's very young even in football.
When did Welbeck score over 30 goals in a season? The most he's even gotten in a season is 12!
James Beattie scored 24 goals (23 in the league) in the 02-03 season. He was 25. Clutching at straws to suggest that 25 is in the same age bracket as 21 don't you think?
Which was a lot, in those far away distant days. As I've said transfer fee inflation is something we have to accept. Hazard today, if you ignore his appalling display last night, would realistically, be around £50-60M & he scored 14 - pretty miserable for a player Jose would have us believe is worth more than Ronaldo/Messy. I think Depay as a similar wide player, cutting in, will outscore Hazard next season.
Also your players listed are ridiculous, you've just listed 4 of the 5 best players in the world
Yes, the best players/strikers in the world, are worth twice or more, what the rest of the top scorers in the top divisions (Kane/Muller etc) can command - where's the problem there?
Oh come on, do you watch the mid-table Spanish & French sides
My Levy is in a weak position IMO. Their new stadium could cripple them, so he can't take a gamble on an asset such as Kane, losing value, through lack of form which I accept is a possibility or, injury. He would be insane not to sell at £45M & remember he's the Chairman, not the owner - they will have the final say over this & it will be, SELL !
Glad we got that cleared up.
Btw, I called higuain class for us because he's an established striker consistently scoring a goal evey other game in la liga, serie a. So he obviously represents a lesser risk than Kane and someone who is a much more prove performer. However, like I said, I don't know how long that "class" would last so I've always maintained that we shouldn't sign him. Maybe the term I used was excessive. Not sure I rate him that highly.
For £40m should be getting you a top established player like Benzema, muller, lewandowski not a 6 month hot shot, he's shown no more then Andy Johnson, Darren Bent, Kevin Phillips and James Beattie. None of then did a lot before scoring 20+ pl goals and not a lot after. Let's see if he can do it again his value won't go up if we wait 12 months
Fair enough mate, but don't you think that based on our strikers' performances this season, it might be unwise to carry on with the same set minus (Falcao and possibly Van Persie) ? If the same striker form is replicated, 2015/ 2016 would basically be another write-off season of sorts with more offensive lethargy to follow. One might argue that a lot of our draws or losses this season stemmed from the lack of a more more dynamic and clinical center forward.
That said, Rooney might find his mojo so I dunno. And yeah, ideally we would do well to wait another season and monitor Kane's progress to complete the due diligence part of the process to justify such a substantial outlay.
I feel the fact that you edited my response and included a full stop tells the whole story here.
Have a lovely Saturday.
I would be content if we bought him, what separates him from previous one-season wonder striker types in the Premier League is his all-round game. Mobility, technique, heading, intelligence, two footedness. The right amount of everything. His height is a major factor too. And the fact that we'd potentially get longevity. And settling in will be easier too. Number of goals previous season scored is obviously a good thing, and sure risk of being a one season wonder.
It sometimes doesn't work out (Di Maria, Falcao) with even the more proven players. With Kane, we should ignore the hype but not use the excess hype against him either and judge him on his own merits. His age and height and overall ability as shown against good teams are all plus points. He isn't at the level of the very elite, but I think he'd be consistent and can deliver goals, particularly with the service he would get from our supporting attacking players.
Problem is that people seem to disagree whether it's ok to make this assessment based on one season, which of course is a legitimate point of contention. And how "average" his technique is, which despite the youtube vids and in my mind, plenty of evidence to the contrary, people won't agree on.. The issue that I do share however with regards to overpaying would be if it meant we'd recruit fewer players in other areas which we desperately need. So for me, reasonable-ish price and if we will have enough money to spend in other areas left over then I'd take that risk.
It sometimes doesn't work out (Di Maria, Falcao) with even the more proven players. With Kane, we should ignore the hype but not use the excess hype against him either and judge him on his own merits. His age and height and overall ability as shown against good teams are all plus points. He isn't at the level of the very elite, but I think he'd be consistent and can deliver goals, particularly with the service he would get from our supporting attacking players.
Problem is that people seem to disagree whether it's ok to make this assessment based on one season, which of course is a legitimate point of contention. And how "average" his technique is, which despite the youtube vids and in my mind, plenty of evidence to the contrary, people won't agree on.. The issue that I do share however with regards to overpaying would be if it meant we'd recruit fewer players in other areas which we desperately need. So for me, reasonable-ish price and if we will have enough money to spend in other areas left over then I'd take that risk.
Is that better than telling someone "you brought up higuain, on your own, in a transfer thread about Kane" when they're repeatedly telling you they didn't and someone else did?
You're right this is a bit pointless. Moving on.
No I'm not having that - this is a football fans forum ffs - less silly-bulls, PLEASE
I don't like our striking options to be honest. It's lacking in penetration and individual class. I do want us to get someone but I really don't know enough to say who. I just find it hard to believe that even if we talk about younger strikers, there's no out there who we can, who is more talented than Kane.
Glaston may come across in the wrong way but he's absolutely right about Spurs financial situation, in that it's currently excellent, especially with the new PL deal in place. There's no reason to suggest they have no choice but to accept an offer at that price. Just look at what they got for Bale, and that was two years ago.Which was a lot, in those far away distant days. As I've said transfer fee inflation is something we have to accept. Hazard today, if you ignore his appalling display last night, would realistically, be around £50-60M & he scored 14 - pretty miserable for a player Jose would have us believe is worth more than Ronaldo/Messy. I think Depay as a similar wide player, cutting in, will outscore Hazard next season.
Yes, the best players/strikers in the world, are worth twice or more, what the rest of the top scorers in the top divisions (Kane/Muller etc) can command - where's the problem there?
Oh come on, do you watch the mid-table Spanish & French sides
My Levy is in a weak position IMO. Their new stadium could cripple them, so he can't take a gamble on an asset such as Kane, losing value, through lack of form which I accept is a possibility or, injury. He would be insane not to sell at £45M & remember he's the Chairman, not the owner - they will have the final say over this & it will be, SELL !
I watch plenty of Spanish football, it's currently far superior to English football.
Also Hazard's a winger, Kane's a striker, how exactly would you expect him to score more goals than Kane, unless he's a Messi/Ronaldo-esque freak of nature. His overall game is also far better than Kane's, just look at what he did to us in our last game against Chelsea.
No I'm not having that - this is a football fans forum ffs - less silly-bulls, PLEASE
Müller and Benzema are the only similar strikers I can think of who are comfortably better than Kane but both are older and looks unavailable.
As it stands, our set of strikers isn't good enough for a title challenge. Not without a huge amount of goals coming midfield anyway. I don't have a problem if your opinion is that Kane isn't enough, but neither are our current set.
Look, I hate insulting people & deriding others opinions but PLEEEEEEASE, FFS, we are NOT, going to attract Benzema, Muller or Lewandowski, while we are a jack average 4th spot side.
Well if you switch the numbers around I suppose...The season Liverpool signed Carroll he scored 13 goals in all competitions for themselves and Newcastle. How is that similar to 31?
He's 21. That's very young even in football.
When did Welbeck score over 30 goals in a season? The most he's even gotten in a season is 12!
James Beattie scored 24 goals (23 in the league) in the 02-03 season. He was 25. Clutching at straws to suggest that 25 is in the same age bracket as 21 don't you think?
Part of the appeal of Kane for us would be his marketability I'm sure. We could end up making a tonne of money from that side of things *if* he continues to perform. I mean look how famous/marketable Rooney is. I'm sure the powers that be will be considering that as it can significantly offset the price.
Well Hazard cost £32m so it works both ways doesn't it?
Also your players listed are ridiculous, you've just listed 4 of the 5 best players in the world
If the PL showed anything think season Duafc, it's that it ain't what it was five years ago and isn't exactly a top class league at this moment in time. The defending by the majority of teams has been diabolical! Let's not forget that Charlie Austin scored 18 PL goals too for a far worse side than Spurs, and I doubt anyone considers him to be a particularly great striker.
Your second last paragraph just continues on from what I said about personal preference really, if you feel he's worth the punt for that fee then fair enough, I don't, I also think it sets a bad precedent. I wouldn't mind bringing Kane here at all, I would mind spending insane amounts of money, and I don't even think we'd get him for £50m, this is Levy and Spurs we're talking about, then add on the fact that he's English and just signed a new contract. I reckon we'd be paying far more, scarily enough!
I agree with the last part though, there are certainly a lack of top young strikers in the game right now, which I guess is why we're chasing Kane in the first place, although I'm sure there are posters much more versed in European footie than me who could name a few, like Icardi maybe?
Icardi, Vietto and Dybala would be the hottest talents atm. Atletico seem to have a deal in place for Vietto though as he has a ridiculously low release clause. Couple of years down the line and clubs will be paying close to thrice the amount for him. Dybala is already at Juve. Fantastic deal for them.
I don't disagree. We really should be bringing in a new striker.
Yup, or alternatively, we'd need Depay to hit the ground running and score 15+ as well as someone like Mata chipping in with a similar amount. This could happen, but bearing in mind that we're also likely to lose De Gea, we'd need to up our goal output even more
Yep, it's definitely a rough market for proper strikers, which kind of elevates Kane to the top. There is no clear-cut choice where you could definitely say the player would the ideal available choice, and a weak bunch is further watered down because Van Gaal wants very specific traits in his strikers - which rules out the likes of Vietto or Dybala (pre-Juventus transfer days). In terms of what the manager wants, you have Lewandowski or Benzema, maybe Higuain. But the former two might not be available no matter how much we offer. Higuain while better than Kane comes with his own set of problems, and has a propensity to go missing in the bigger matches, especially in Europe.
After that it's basically Kane, Morata, Milinkovic, Milik and then zilch from the younger batch, which is kind of sad. Morata is quite settled at Juventus, and even if we do sign him, there'll always be a case of him wanting to return to Madrid. Milinkovic plays in the Belgian league and hasn't evidenced the level of performances that Kane has. Ditto for Milik who's in the Eredivisie and hasn't been as productive. So while one could argue that Kane might not be the absolute best choice overall from a talent perspective, due to a collusion of circumstances to go with his performances in the league, realistically he might be our best bet (Levy's shenanigans now-withstanding of course).
I think you miss read my post, I'm not saying we should be signing them, I'm saying that is what £40m should be getting you
I didn't say around that age mark, but sure:
Huguain
Benzema (there are rumors and his value will be around that mark)
Vietto (much cheaper)
Griezmann(should be around that price)
Lacazette - two solid seasons not one - probably will cost less
Thomas Müller - some would say he'll probably unattainable hence he's so low on the list, but there were some rumors..
Berardi - 3 solid seasons and younger than Kane, was pretty hot this year at Sassuolo.
Fekir - would be much cheaper
Icardi - cheaper option with similar qualities.
Berahino - will be much cheaper, although a bit pain in the ass character but has done pretty well at WBA.
Personally I'd go for Higuain from that list.
so who is it? Am I missing someone?
Well, you've now limited it to English players, whereas the club policy I've cited applies to any and all star players, regardless of nationality, that might want to leave. But in any case, it doesn't matter which clubs an English Spurs player may favour - they are under contract and the club will give them a choice (if they want to leave) of either staying or signing for a club abroad that plays in the CL and is offering them bigger wages. If they don't wish to play for Bayern Munich or PSG or Juve or AC Milan (or whoever happens to be in the CL at the time and is interested in the player) - and if neither RM or Barca are interested - then that's their tough lookout.
Rooney, RvP when fit.
Ok I'll bow to that greater knowledge so far as their liquidity goes but an asset like a footballer can be a very transient thing & Spurs do have a history that goes WAY back, of biting off the hand of the first decent offer.
Technically sure but I'd argue that their defences are weaker than a drunk single girl in her thirties at her little sister's wedding & Kane would have a field day against the majority.
Well, you brought Hazard into the debate - was it as a reference to value for money - his £32M fee compared to his current value? Personally, I think he flatters to deceive - he has bags of tallant & underperforms immensely - why for example did he not take last nights game by the balls & go & win it for his country? He was superb for Lyon & yes he's just won player of the year but for me he hides, his covering play is non existent (like Young this season for example) & he should & could be so much more. There's a player going to waste in the EPL - he really does need Barcelona or Madrid, to show his best & offer him the platform to prove himself comparable to today's greats.
You say Kane is a striker & Hazard a winger, very true & he will score less as a consequence but as I said, I believe Depay has the game & the drive, to put Hazard in the shadows next season. I also think while Kane will never aspire to Hazards ball control, he potentially offers United far much more in all round team contribution.
But it can't get you that level of player. To prize away Muller, we would have to offer what, £100M.
I wish this rumour would go away. You don't know if Kane is a one season wonder and we shouldn't throw money away on the overhyped British footballers with their crap mentality (I'm British and can't stand most of them). We just need to get the right players for the positions that are crying out for it. It's one thing to do well at Spurs, but it's quite another to replicate that at United where the pressure is so intense. We already see how Shaw struggles to cope at the moment. Let's just stay away from wasting more money like this.
You must be ITK, very close to the Spurs owners - what exactly is your personal relationship GS?
When have Spurs held on to their best players, when a bag of cash has been dangled under their noses?
I must be crazy but am I wrong in suggesting you see Spurs as equal to for example United when it comes to attracting players, and genuinly see them able to compete in the next years?
I've commented on Muller and Berahino.
Muller is great option, question is his availability, but same goes for Kane as he has 5 years left on the contract. Bayern are not a selling club but at the rumored 55m EUR for Kane you never know.
Berahino IMO would cost less than half that possibly and is more versatile than Kane and has more experience. Huguain, Benzema, Griezmann are better than Kane at the moment and if we're on the market for striker/forward in that range IMO are better options.
History means nowt, recent times have proven that Spurs absolutely will not settle for a 'decent offer' and will get the very best they possibly can for their players.
If their defenses are weaker then it's a mystery to me as to why more goals have been scored overall in the PL than in La Liga in the last number of years, and that doesn't even take into consideration the sheer amount Real and Barca put past teams due to how good they are.
I'm not sure how exactly you feel Hazard has under-performed, he just won POTY and deservedly so. His goal output isn't what it should be yet but if anything that's just testament to how good he can still become, certainly his talent far exceeds that of Kane. Also the 'all round contribution' part is just absurd, have you even watched Hazard? He's about as 'all round' as you can possibly get on the pitch, he's created more chances and been fouled more than any player in the PL this year, and is usually involved in almost every good part of Chelsea's game.
Kane scored 5 goal in 18 appearances for Orient (I don't know how many of these were starts), which is hardly terrible for a 17 year-old. The previous season (2009–10) he scored 18 goals in 22 appearances for Spurs' under-18s. And at Millwall he was voted their Young Player of the Season, scoring 7 goals in 22 appearances ... which again is hardly terrible for an 18 year-old.
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