What makes him an average player?
Id have him.
Average players his age do not score 30? goals in a season.
Wilson?
Harry Kane
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Id have him.
Average players his age do not score 30? goals in a season.
Wilson?
The only reason the fans are still doubtful over kane is because it has been only one full season. If it is 2 like shaw then nobody would even questioned the possibility of signing him. He does look like a genuine finisher, something england didn't have since shearer and a young owen.
Anyway it is always great to have a top english international in the team( if he continues with his form then he will be one).not that i did not like our spanish speaking contingents but at least it will save us getting tired of all those return to barca or real one day.
Anyway it is always great to have a top english international in the team( if he continues with his form then he will be one).not that i did not like our spanish speaking contingents but at least it will save us getting tired of all those return to barca or real one day.
Fergie would be all over a young, talented striker like Kane. That's enough for me 
Average players have done so before. Average English strikers have done similar before, recently in fact. Liverpool paid £35m for one.
What makes me think he's average is that there isn't anything about him that's better than average, and he's not a kid.
Not sure where Wilson comes into it. He's already at the club so we don't have to decide whether to buy him. Kane would cost silly money and just isn't that good. I mean what is it he's good ennough at to suggest he can carry on scoring 30 goals a season?
I was initially somewhat against signing him, but on the other hand, i have Always been a strong preacher of signing young English talent. Not quite sure he is the world class No. 9 that we need, maybe in a few years.
1 season wonders aren't exactly Britain exclusivity. However one must analyse the situation on a case by case basis. For example Carroll did well at a club which used him as a focal point and played direct football. He would not been able to emulated his form at a top club. Can we say the same thing about Spurs?
I see nothing in him to justify the money we're talking about and the wages we'd have to pay.
I'd rather give Wilson a run.
I'd rather give Wilson a run.
Welbeck?
James Beattie once scored as many as Kane did in the same age bracket. Kane doesn't even have a good record at Leyton Orient or Millwall ffs.
Fergie would be all over a young, talented striker like Kane. That's enough for me
His last few years were filled with magnificent signing eh.
Kane would be a horrific signing. Especially for the fees touted.
I would take him for sure as can score with both feet, his head and is also mobile for a tall striker but if Liverpool hold out for 50m (which is ridiculous btw) for Sterling based on what he has done over last few seasons and with England I'm sure Levy would want at least 40m and that's putting it lightly, knowing that cnut he would want a world record transfer fee. I just hope if there is truth in rumour we don't drag it out all summer.
really laughable man, he's still not there but there is no doubt but he's not average, Carroll never scored 31 goals in one season, last full season for Newcastle he banged 19 at the same age of 21. He never had the mentality to succeed at the very top level what Kane has.
He's allround striker and is not as flashy as some other players which makes people think he'saverage but he certainly is not. He has got great powershot, is fantastic header of the ball and his positioning finishing is top notch for 21 player, something which I like the most about him is how hard he plays for the team, he always press and that's very important in modern football, when you have pub player like Van Persie who might have a better ability on the ball but doesn't have the athleticism or will to press defenders and win the ball, well you've seen how dire we were when he was up front. and another strong asset he made 51 appearances which is great sign of resilient player who can be relied on in terms of injuries and coped with the tempo of the premier league through Europe games from the beginning till the end is very promising.
and as you said he may be "average" at other things but at 21 he has all the time to improve, well actually the fact that he's good at everything makes him exciting prospect because it's only on him how he profile himself but he has the the basics of being at least a decent striker - he has a eye for goal.
the only problem is the price but if anyone has money it's us..
I think people need to see his scoring stats at his age, ignoring arguments, few others have done that, should his career resemble any of theirs, he will be fine
Too much of a risk. There are some players you look at and you just know they will be top players. Their technical qualities are so evident on the ball that they immediately stand out amongst the crowd. Kane is not one of those players IMO. And for the fee his will cost it's simply not worth it.
He's not average but his overall game isn't elite level. If I take a similarly built striker, lewandoswki has loads of technical skill to go along with his goal scoring prowess, much like Rvp used to. They stand out from your usual striker even in their hold up play and close control. Right now it's hard to say whether Kane is even capable of that level of overall play. So why spend 40 million on him? Simply put, Rooney looked like the real deal when he was a kid. Everything suggested that he was too talented not to be a top player. Same with Fabregas. Can you reall say that already about Kane? Because that's what you need to get for 40 million pounds.
His scoring stats are shite. Before last season 7 was the most he'd ever scored in a season. One swallow doesn't make a summer.
What players at his age other than him can better his achievement? Since its shit in sure you won't be hare up for names
Unless we can get him for well under 30m then I don't think its worth the risk. We aren't going to get him that cheap and who knows if his form from last season was just a one off. Id rather us go for someone else.
He's scored 21 goals in the premier league. Good achievement for a young player but people go on with his "scoring record" as if he's been doing it with some sort of regularity. One season. 21 premier league goals. That doesn't deserve a fee that would have been our record transfer fee a year ago.
He could've scored 50 this season and I still wouldn't be convinced, purely because his technical skills on the ball just look so bloody average that it's impossible to justify the idea that he's going to be an elite footballer worth paying that sort of money for.
I think people are also correlating this to the Luke Shaw transfer when the reality is that teams get real quality for this sum money. Arsenal got Sanchez, Chslsea got fabregas. We want Harry Kane.
I do like him and the fact hes English is a massive factor in that. He has been in awesome form this season but hes just been poaching really thats the type of player he is a hard working poacher who has had a good season. I like to think that he can emulate that every season but he does have the hallmarks of a one season wonder.
I still kinda want us the sign him even though i dont think his form is going to carry over, just roll the dice hes english!
I still kinda want us the sign him even though i dont think his form is going to carry over, just roll the dice hes english!
Fergie would be all over a young, talented striker like Kane. That's enough for me
A very good point, SAF definitely would've gone for him.
Exactly. It's an exaggeration but that's somewhat the crux of it. I wouldn't say he's looked bad on the ball this season. He's actually been intelligent on it. But it's not the all round game of a top striker. It isn't Rvp of 2011-12, and hence it isn't 40 million pounds worth. Also,as has been repeatedly said, the goals part, which is why he's even being spoken about, happened for one season .
Lewandoswki who I mentioned is really the standard of striker we need. Him, Costa, aguero, Suarez. You want a striker whose game is or can be somewhere round the level of those guys (even though there might be a variance even among them).
Not worth the money Levy would want.
he's definitely an intelligent player, I guess that's why there are the comparisons to Shearer, who was an extremely intelligent forward and also quite explosive, like Kane. The difference is that Shearer was also extremely fecking good on the ball!
Danny Ings, for instance, has a better goalscoring record. Kane has had ONE good season. Ings was out scoring him consistently prior. Would you suggest spunking stupid money on him?
Yeah, that's the thing. With these sort of players you really need to see them perform for awhile, and improve certain aspects of their games.
Sure this is a Harry Kane thread but I thought there would be a few achievable alternatives offered. As for the fee, this is the new world of
£5.14billion, tv deals. Selling clubs know this money is a available & that United have more money than most to splash.
We'd be mad to expect Rooney to play 50+ games, so he'll need back up. We can go for Charlie Austin at £15-18M, Mandzukic for £20-25M, Higuan or Lacazette at £25-30M, Kane for £30M plus large add odds, perhaps another £20M over 2 years.
There may be others but I'm not salivating at the prospect of any of them in particular. So is Kane such a terrible option, is Kane such a huge monetary gamble? I like the lads ability AND I like his personality, he's level headed - no diamond earrings with this one, brattish bird, bitey temperament, or delusions of god like status. He's the striker SAF would go for, given the choices at hand (IMO).
£5.14billion, tv deals. Selling clubs know this money is a available & that United have more money than most to splash.
We'd be mad to expect Rooney to play 50+ games, so he'll need back up. We can go for Charlie Austin at £15-18M, Mandzukic for £20-25M, Higuan or Lacazette at £25-30M, Kane for £30M plus large add odds, perhaps another £20M over 2 years.
There may be others but I'm not salivating at the prospect of any of them in particular. So is Kane such a terrible option, is Kane such a huge monetary gamble? I like the lads ability AND I like his personality, he's level headed - no diamond earrings with this one, brattish bird, bitey temperament, or delusions of god like status. He's the striker SAF would go for, given the choices at hand (IMO).
I'm neither for or against any pursuit of Kane but from what I've learned from posts in the lvg striker thread, that wouldn't be an issue as he doesn't want his strikers to be involved in build up play anyway. Someone even used Lewandowski as an example of striker who wouldn't work in LvGs set-up.
I like how you make him seem like a better deal by making 50 million look like 30+20, whereas higuin's isn't 15+10.
Higuain would be a class performer for us whereas Kane is a bigger risk. That has to be considered.
So us having plenty of cash to spend should lead to top players being brought in, not risky punts on players who perform for one season but one isn't quite sure about
if he scored 50 in a Utd shirt he'd be here already and we wouldn't be debating the idea of spending mass amounts of money on him. Irrelevant.So if he'd scored 50 in a United shirt.....
I hope we don't actually spend £50m on this lad. That would be depressing.
Lewandowski would be perfect. He won't drop deep to the half way line but when he gets the ball he does sow thing meaningful with it. If Lvg wants his strikers to hold their position and get less involved it means their involvement has to be that much more effective, which is what Rvp and Lewandowski did/do, because if their technical skill.
Going by your argument inzaghi is the perfect van Gaal striker. And chciharito should be our number 1.
A player who scored 30+ a season is what we need.
The thing is, I think Kane will be found out next season and won't come close again.
The thing is, I think Kane will be found out next season and won't come close again.
That's utter nonsense. He's 21 and he's broken into a upper mid table club team, become first choice, captain and probably their most important player. He's scored more than 20 in his first full season starting.
Are you daft in the head? How many strikers have come through at United or other top 4 clubs, from the youth set up and bettered his stats so far?
It's a totally gross exaggeration bordering on stupid.
I mean those bolded bits in @Cina's post are hyperbolic in the extreme. Cina doesnt want a striker who scores 50 goals a season, under any circumstances, if he doesn't exhibit the requisite amount of what I assume he feels is 'continental flair or technique' besides the fact that it's not true its not even logical, Your assumptions of his level of technique are way off the mark and also so incredibly harsh on a 21 year old. If you dont want to sign him fair enough, if you think its too much money I agree, but these asinine arguments are way off.
Those in the thread stating he's just a poacher, or he's not good enough on the ball should really watch him. He is intelligent and his technique is good, he's an out and out finisher but not a poacher, he often drops deep and likes to take players on or stretch the back 4 in behind or along the channels. Happy to have a go from anywhere and often successful. Yes he's direct in his running often, not a totally cute, highly technical footballer but I think there's a massive distinction between the oh so popular small spanish technichans and the rest of the footballing world, because it's not what you think is in right now doesn't make it bad, or technically "so bloody average"
I dunno if we should sign him, a lot of money and i'm not convinced he has the stones for the step up in pressure. He's definitely talented enough though and is a very complete striker at his age. I feel if we dont and someone else does it could be one to rue, but its a risk alright. Plus feck Levy.
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Sure we could pay for any target, over a year or two or three, but like Bale's fee, it went up with his success. With lower fees, it's unlikely to incorporate this arrangement into a fee, as the risk is less. With the higher fees, it makes sense to attempt to negotiate this into a package. Should Levy insist on £50M down, then sure, I'd back off.
My hesitation with Higuain is one his age, 28 next birthday - if he doesn't 'fit', then his fee would be down the drain - Kane at 23 would have time to make the adjustment & a resale value should he fail. Also, although I admit to not having seen too much of Higuain, there is talk of his bottle, over the years. Kane seems an unphased natural goalscorer, similar (but different), to Linaker.
I've listed a few of the options - who are the ones who in your opinion, are risk free & how do you justify that conclusion? All transfers come with a risk, form Gary Birtles to Jaun Veron. Andy Cole was a risk & for a time it seemed like a failed one.
We'll just keep buying aging strikers past their peak forever shall we?
Worked tremendously this year, We need reinvigorating.
No because we had two strikers better than Chicharito, but he's also been mentioned in there. I suppose that one could argue that Kane is more powerful and can score from more situations than Chicharito, mainly from a range.
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