Harry Kane

[NJM78]

The only problem about Kane for me is the price Levy would want as his ability and experience in our league are a huge plus. A lot of people on here rave about the other young strikers in European football right now like Dybala, Icardi, Vietto - they all have a lower league (and all comps) scoring rate than Kane - Vietto and Dybala by some distance and considering the Premier League was comfortably the lowest scoring league out of the three last season shows that Kane did extremely well.
Again it brings us down to price as those three would be a lot cheaper although Dybala already at Juve and Vietto looks set to join Atletico so these options are no longer viable. Icardi looks like he is staying put also so unless we buy a proven striker like Muller, Benzema, Lewandowski etc which I feel we have pretty much zero chance of I would go for Kane or try for Lacazette, otherwise we keep Wayne up top and hope Depay and possibly Firmino if he joins also scoring a fair few.

 

[m1y2]

@Duafc I never said I wouldn't want him, I said I wouldn't be convinced by him because his ball skills are so average. We're talking about a record breaking fee for an English footballer here. Now, if in 2 years he's continued to pump out 30 goal seasons then absolutely we should look into spending big money on him, but my overlying point here is that he's had one season with 30 goals so far and in that season I'm yet to be convinced because I just don't think he looks like a particularly good footballer. If he scored 50 goals I still wouldn't think he looks like a particularly good footballer. Obviously 50 goals would go a lot further towards justifying the huge fee but it doesn't change my point that he's technically average. I think he needs more than one good season because of that.

It'd be an entirely different story if we were spending that sort of money on a 21/22 year old player like Hazard or Neymar, who clearly looked like they were incredibly talented players with the ability to become elite players. Can anyone honestly say Kane looks like that? I doubt it.


you're really missing the point here. There's a large difference between spending circa £50m (which we likely wouldn't even get him for) on a player at another club who you don't believe has the technical ability to match that price tag, and discussing a player who is already at your club and there's absolutely no risk involved. They're entirely different scenarios.

But those are really different players whose strengths are different, Kane for his age and natural ability to score and obvious mental strength is a top talent too, he's just complete striker now at age of 21 but need to tweak soem of his assets to th maximum, and he can get to the top level through his hard work. Fletcher for example never looked like top talent but at his peak he was the best defensive midfielder in the world arguably or say most valuable for the team at least.

I think at worst Kane will be like that and he only started to show something and 31 goals in his full first season is fecking impressive (also didn't started in first couple of games of the season) Yes there are some concerns but if it wasn't the price I think everybody would take him here but the price is inflated with several factors: English tax, Levy tax, we don't want to sell tax, best player in the team tax, young and already a leader tax. Recently arrived we want to keep him for several years tax. and I Harry Kane wants to stay here tax.

The price is formed by various factors. And for once I couldn't care less if we pay over the odds for the 21 year old.

After all we will soon see how he performs

 

[Catt]

Yep. I sounded wrong in my head as I was typing.

 

[Hostekule]

But those are really different players whose strengths are different, Kane for his age and natural ability to score and obvious mental strength is a top talent too, he's just complete striker now at age of 21 but need to tweak soem of his assets to th maximum, and he can get to the top level through his hard work. Fletcher for example never looked like top talent but at his peak he was the best defensive midfielder in the world arguably or say most valuable for the team at least.

I think at worst Kane will be like that and he only started to show something and 31 goals in his full first season is fecking impressive (also didn't started in first couple of games of the season) Yes there are some concerns but if it wasn't the price I think everybody would take him here but the price is inflated with several factors: English tax, Levy tax, we don't want to sell tax, best player in the team tax, young and already a leader tax. Recently arrived we want to keep him for several years tax. and I Harry Kane wants to stay here tax.

The price is formed by various factors. And for once I couldn't care less if we pay over the odds for the 21 year old.

After all we will soon see how he performs

What are you referring to here?

 

[Nozzy]

I didn't say around that age mark, but sure:

Huguain
Benzema (there are rumors and his value will be around that mark)
Vietto (much cheaper)
Griezmann(should be around that price)
Lacazette - two solid seasons not one - probably will cost less
Thomas Müller - some would say he'll probably unattainable hence he's so low on the list, but there were some rumors..
Berardi - 3 solid seasons and younger than Kane, was pretty hot this year at Sassuolo.
Fekir - would be much cheaper
Incardi - cheaper option with similar qualities.
Berahino - will be much cheaper, although a bit pain in the ass character but has done pretty well at WBA.

Personally I'd go for Higuain from that list.

You say there are 10 better options then discount some of them yourself?

Huguain is nearly 28 - if he failed we'd lose half the investment at leat & he has a reputation for bottling it.

Muller is simply not available - pointless to discuss him

Benzema has made it clear through intermediaries he doesn't want to come to Manchester

Griezmann - why would he come to us at the moment?

Vietto - going to play with Griezmann I heard.

Berahino would be a replacement for Hernandez, a squad striker option, so £10-20M spent on a player to warm the bench? Some would say fine, we need the depth but the guy has history & United ship out that kind of headcase.

Incardi - 21, similar age to Kane - who's to say he's less of a risk - less overall team player - less goal scoring variety.

Berardi - Tevez leaving, unlikely he's available.

Fekir - not a striker.

Lacazette - yeh not a bad target.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

When did Welbeck score over 30 goals in a season? The most he's even gotten in a season is 12!

Yeah, I was joking - Welbeck scored less than 30 goals in total in 6 seasons at United! I would be happy if we got Kane

 

[No11]

I see nothing in him to justify the money we're talking about and the wages we'd have to pay.

I'd rather give Wilson a run.

Wilson looks like another Macheda to me.

 

[No11]

Average players have done so before. Average English strikers have done similar before, recently in fact. Liverpool paid £35m for one.

What makes me think he's average is that there isn't anything about him that's better than average, and he's not a kid.

Not sure where Wilson comes into it. He's already at the club so we don't have to decide whether to buy him. Kane would cost silly money and just isn't that good. I mean what is it he's good ennough at to suggest he can carry on scoring 30 goals a season?

What did Lineker have about, looked shite most of the time.
I agree £50m is way too much, £30 m yes.
Only time will tell, but I would definatly take a punt at 30 plus add ons .

 

[Nozzy]

History means nowt, recent times have proven that Spurs absolutely will not settle for a 'decent offer' and will get the very best they possibly can for their players.

If their defenses are weaker then it's a mystery to me as to why more goals have been scored overall in the PL than in La Liga in the last number of years, and that doesn't even take into consideration the sheer amount Real and Barca put past teams due to how good they are.

I'm not sure how exactly you feel Hazard has under-performed, he just won POTY and deservedly so. His goal output isn't what it should be yet but if anything that's just testament to how good he can still become, certainly his talent far exceeds that of Kane. Also the 'all round contribution' part is just absurd, have you even watched Hazard? He's about as 'all round' as you can possibly get on the pitch, he's created more chances and been fouled more than any player in the PL this year, and is usually involved in almost every good part of Chelsea's game.

Well I've a soft spot for the Mark Hughes/Rooney work ethic, in a forward. I see some of that in Kane but I don't see it Hazard. Why are we talking about Hazard - he's not a striker option. Agree to differ & stick to the thread?

I see Kane as a very good striker option who may be more available than better players, such as Muller & Benzema. The rest of the suggested RVP replacements, all, like Kane, have question marks against them. As to his price, it's simple, we always pay over the odds, this will be even more so with the current riches of the EPL.

 

[m1y2]

Rooney, RvP when fit.

Rooney is okay but not world class-most overrated player in the premiership or even in the world, RVP is a pub player who we should thank for the first season and let him go somewhere where he doesn't need to run - Italy etc..
Kane overscored the two by some distance and we are only talking about goals, Rooney played in midfield but not the whole season, he was dire at the beginning and useless at the end, very frustrating and lack of agility player these days, a player who needs 100% service. Kane and Rooney would have been a great duo competing for the first striker post but I think Kane looked certainly as better striker last term and will only get better, he needs to confirm it in the coming seasons, Rooney on the other hand is massively declining every year, we use so many excuses for his underperforming.

I don't say who is better of the two right now it would be subjective anyway but if I was to start one player I would start Kane after the season he had

 

[Nozzy]

Yep. I sounded wrong in my head as I was typing.

Loved it

 

[matherto]

Kane is almost nailed on to have a crap season next year. Much more likely that it was a great season as a purple patch and he'll never reach those heights again. Extremely cynical I know but it happens a hell of a lot more often than someone carrying on like last season for the rest of their career.

Defenders will have sussed him out, he'll be under pressure to perform at the same level or better and truth be told, he's just not that good anyway.

I'd much rather he had second season syndrome at Spurs than spend £40m+ on him and he does it here.

 

[Redo91]

Yeah, I was joking - Welbeck scored less than 30 goals in total in 6 seasons at United! I would be happy if we got Kane

My bad. The lack of white text or a smilie made me think you were being serious!

 

[Speak]

James Beattie once scored as many as Kane did in the same age bracket. Kane doesn't even have a good record at Leyton Orient or Millwall ffs.

No he didn't. He scored 23 Premier League goals in 2002/03. 12 seasons before the one that just ended. He's was 36 when last season began.

 

[m1y2]

What are you referring to here?

he looks very humble guy who concentrates on football, very consistent this season, never hiding and always there when the team needed him. I think that shows how well he's got things in his head sorted, he looks very level-headed to me.

 

[Enigma_87]

Huguain is nearly 28 - if he failed we'd lose half the investment at leat & he has a reputation for bottling it.

Muller is simply not available - pointless to discuss him

Benzema has made it clear through intermediaries he doesn't want to come to Manchester

Griezmann - why would he come to us at the moment?

Vietto - going to play with Griezmann I heard.

Berahino would be a replacement for Hernandez, a squad striker option, so £10-20M spent on a player to warm the bench? Some would say fine, we need the depth but the guy has history & United ship out that kind of headcase.

Incardi - 21, similar age to Kane - who's to say he's less of a risk - less overall team player - less goal scoring variety.

Berardi - Tevez leaving, unlikely he's available.

Fekir - not a striker.

Lacazette - yeh not a bad target.

Higuain has scored 24 or more in 5 of the last 7 seasons(1 he had an op that took him out for half of the season). He's proven goalscorer in 2 leagues now and is in his peak. We should easily get 4-5 good years off him.

Muller has said himself that have special relationship with LvG whatever that means, and there were some rumors for a discord with Guardiola. He also has only two years left on his contract from what I know.

Real want Kun apparently and Benzema may find himself on the bench, but lets see how the whole DDG saga pans out.

Griezmann - money.

Vietto - nothing concluded yet from what I see.

Berahino, Icardi and Fekir would probably all combined go for less than Kane. Fekir plays alongside Lacazette most of the time this season at Lyon from what I've seen(admittedly a little).

Berardi - he's very good and proven in the Calccio. Juve signed Dybala who will probably be Tevez replacement and have Moratta and Llorente, it's not like they are short in bodies there.

Lacazette would be better value and is more proven, tho I'm bit unsure about him as well.

 

[Nozzy]

he looks very humble guy who concentrates on football, very consistent this season, never hiding and always there when the team needed him. I think that shows how well he's got things in his head sorted, he looks very level-headed to me.

With you on this - great qualities.

 

[starman]

I rate him, but i wouldn't touch for him 40m at this moment. Hes not a special talent where you pay that premium for that potential which could be massive like Rooney, Aguero etc.

He could very well be a Beattie, Kevin Davis, players who were touted as the next Shearer, from that early success.

 

[GlastonSpur]

I must be crazy but am I wrong in suggesting you see Spurs as equal to for example United when it comes to attracting players, and genuinly see them able to compete in the next years?

I don't see Spurs as an equal to United when it comes to attracting players (and I haven't said that I do) - for starters we can't compete on wages. But nonetheless the record shows that Spurs have always been able to attract talented players ... and there are more of them out there than can be monopolised by wealthier clubs.

But yes, I do see Spurs as being able to compete league-wise in the next few years, not least because the club has placed enormous emphasis on youth development and acquisition in recent times - witness the average age of our starting XI last season for example - and we have several very talented prospects on our books now.

 

[Speak]

Well, you've now limited it to English players, whereas the club policy I've cited applies to any and all star players, regardless of nationality, that might want to leave. But in any case, it doesn't matter which clubs an English Spurs player may favour - they are under contract and the club will give them a choice (if they want to leave) of either staying or signing for a club abroad that plays in the CL and is offering them bigger wages. If they don't wish to play for Bayern Munich or PSG or Juve or AC Milan (or whoever happens to be in the CL at the time and is interested in the player) - and if neither RM or Barca are interested - then that's their tough lookout.

Umm. Last time I checked, Kane was English and this was the Kane thread.
His preference will almost certainly be a top English club, unless the foreign club is Madrid or Barcelona. It doesn't matter what Tottenham plan to do. Unless it's Madrid or Barcelona, it's very unlikely that a British player (which Kane is) will go there, when they can join City, United or Chelsea.

You seem to think that they'll tell the player that it's their way or the highway, and that players will just sit back and take it. Had Madrid not been interested in Modric and Bale, they'd probably be at another English club. You probably wouldn't have been able to force them elsewhere, and they wouldn't have stayed. Especially Bale. Again, like Kane, he's British. You could make a case that Modric would have gone to PSG or Juventus if that was his only option other than staying at Tottenham.

A talented, wanted Englishman wont be forced abroad easily, unless it's Madrid or Barcelona. it's very simple. And players don't sit around and let clubs force them around. So you better pray that if Kane seriously delivers the goods, he delivers them enough for Barcelona or Madrid to come calling.

 

[Nozzy]

Higuain has scored 24 or more in 5 of the last 7 seasons(1 he had an op that took him out for half of the season). He's proven goalscorer in 2 leagues now and is in his peak. We should easily get 4-5 good years off him.

Muller has said himself that have special relationship with LvG whatever that means, and there were some rumors for a discord with Guardiola. He also has only two years left on his contract from what I know.

Real want Kun apparently and Benzema may find himself on the bench, but lets see how the whole DDG saga pans out.

Griezmann - money.

Vietto - nothing concluded yet from what I see.

Berahino, Icardi and Fekir would probably all combined go for less than Kane. Fekir plays alongside Lacazette most of the time this season at Lyon from what I've seen(admittedly a little).

Berardi - he's very good and proven in the Calccio. Juve signed Dybala who will probably be Tevez replacement and have Moratta and Llorente, it's not like they are short in bodies there.

Lacazette would be better value and is more proven, tho I'm bit unsure about him as well.

We're not signing Muller, we're probably not signing Benzema, City aren't selling Aguero, Higuain is the wrong age (we got one good season from RVP), ....... repeat, repeat.

Back to your initial point of there being TEN, better options to Kane - there are not.

 

[Enigma_87]

We're not signing Muller, we're probably not signing Benzema, City aren't selling Aguero, Higuain is the wrong age (we got one good season from RVP), ....... repeat, repeat.

Back to your initial point of there being TEN, better options to Kane - there are not.

So far Kane has had 1 good season and wouldn't say he had a great end to it as he scored 2 in the last 9 for club and country. Yes, if he was around 10-20m pounds, at that age bracket, based on 1 good season and potential, we should be all over it. However he's on 5 years contract with Spurs probably taking us to the cleaners if we try to buy him now on the basis of 1 successful season.

He hasn't proven himself yet to be worth anywhere near that value.

We're in CL now and we have much stronger pull than last year with Moyes. Last year we brought in AdM and Falcao who were one of the biggest names out there.

Besides if Kane fails like Carroll then what? Hernandez hit 20 goals in all comps in his first season, 2 years older than Kane at the time, I don't think anyone in the right mind would've then pay somewhere near 30-40m for him.

 

[GlastonSpur]

You must be ITK, very close to the Spurs owners - what exactly is your personal relationship GS?


When have Spurs held on to their best players, when a bag of cash has been dangled under their noses?

I'm just an ordinary Spurs fan who is aware of information from several people who are ITK and have shown themselves to be so over the years.

To answer your other question, yes, like any club we'll sell if a player wants to leave and enough money is offered.

 

[legball]

You say the PL is strong + difficult, yet, a young striker does 21 goals in his first season and you don't rate him, yet, you call the Serie A weak, young striker scores 12 goals and you rate him higher. What's wrong with people? Harry Kane is mint, you only have to watch him to see it and who cares if he cost 40m, how I wish we massively overpaid for Eden Hazard, I won't be complaining now tbh.

 

[Nozzy]

I don't see Spurs as an equal to United when it comes to attracting players (and I haven't said that I do) - for starters we can't compete on wages. But nonetheless the record shows that Spurs have always been able to attract talented players ... and there are more of them out there than can be monopolised by wealthier clubs.

But yes, I do see Spurs as being able to compete league-wise in the next few years, not least because the club has placed enormous emphasis on youth development and acquisition in recent times - witness the average age of our starting XI last season for example - and we have several very talented prospects on our books now.

Listen, I always liked watching Spurs, for some reason considered them my 'second' club if you like, as they played good football back in the 70's & 80's when i was growing up. It's an unfortunate reality that no Clubs can compete for players & ultimately that means silverware (see the chart for spending & compare to the Prem League placings), with this seasons top four. United find it hard enough to attract the worlds best, even with our wage power. Your academy is to be encouraged but it is no guarantee of success - see the abject failure of Man City's massive investment in this area.

That Spurs are above Liverpool is wonderful IMO & long may it continue but please, contribute on here but don't make a fool of yourself with delusions of grandeur.

While you are most welcome on here & entertaining to boot, how on earth do you have the time to post so much on another teams fans forum - i take it you post even more on your Spurs forum? It must be a full time occupation

 

[Nozzy]

I'm just an ordinary Spurs fan who is aware of information from several people who are ITK and have shown themselves to be so over the years.

To answer your other question, yes, like any club we'll sell if a player wants to leave and enough money is offered.

To come on here & to claim to be ITK is a hanging crime - I should know!

The difference is, ALL, your top players have been poached for as long as i can remember. Who is the last Spurs player to have matched Rooney/Ferdinand/Giggs/Scoles/Robson/Neville etc, etc & not been head turned by a bigger club. Who is the longest serving Spurs player in recent times?


Spurs are a selling club, usually at the first opportunity. Come on, admit it, Mr Levy can't resist a decent wad of cash.

 

[legball]

I don't know why people tend to underrate players doing well in the PL for smaller clubs, yet claim the PL is the most difficult league in the world. It doesn't add up. If Kane was doing it in Spain or France, am sure people will be more receptive to the idea of signing him, it's the same with Schneiderlin, if he was performing the way he is doing at Sotton for a La Liga or Bundesliga club, we'll be all over asking why the club isn't signing him.

 

[GlastonSpur]

.... His preference will almost certainly be a top English club, unless the foreign club is Madrid or Barcelona. It doesn't matter what Tottenham plan to do. Unless it's Madrid or Barcelona, it's very unlikely that a British player (which Kane is) will go there, when they can join City, United or Chelsea.

You seem to think that they'll tell the player that it's their way or the highway, and that players will just sit back and take it. Had Madrid not been interested in Modric and Bale, they'd probably be at another English club. You probably wouldn't have been able to force them elsewhere, and they wouldn't have stayed. Especially Bale. Again, like Kane, he's British. You could make a case that Modric would have gone to PSG or Juventus if that was his only option other than staying at Tottenham.

A talented, wanted Englishman wont be forced abroad easily, unless it's Madrid or Barcelona. it's very simple. And players don't sit around and let clubs force them around. So you better pray that if Kane seriously delivers the goods, he delivers them enough for Barcelona or Madrid to come calling.

His current preference is to stay at Spurs. Most of your post is speculation about what might have happened (or might happen) in hypothetical scenarios and not proof of anything. You're saying that what happened with Modric and Bale was lucky, whereas I'm saying it resulted from club policy. Don't they say that the proof of the pudding is in the eating? Well so far the "eating" is all on my side of discussion.

It's not as if playing in the CL on massive wages for PSG or B. Munich or Juve (or whoever) would be a hardship. And nor am I talking about forcing a player to do so. They'd have a choice, as I've said.

 

[Hostekule]

he looks very humble guy who concentrates on football, very consistent this season, never hiding and always there when the team needed him. I think that shows how well he's got things in his head sorted, he looks very level-headed to me.

Right. I agree.

Apart from the price, I'd be excited if we sign him.

 

[Enigma_87]

I don't know why people tend to underrate players doing well in the PL for smaller clubs, yet claim the PL is the most difficult league in the world. It doesn't add up. If Kane was doing it in Spain or France, am sure people will be more receptive to the idea of signing him, it's the same with Schneiderlin, if he was performing the way he is doing at Sotton for a La Liga or Bundesliga club, we'll be all over asking why the club isn't signing him.

If Schneiderlin and Kane were doing it in another league at the same rate they will be worth half than what they are.

 

[Cassidy]

I don't know why people tend to underrate players doing well in the PL for smaller clubs, yet claim the PL is the most difficult league in the world. It doesn't add up. If Kane was doing it in Spain or France, am sure people will be more receptive to the idea of signing him, it's the same with Schneiderlin, if he was performing the way he is doing at Sotton for a La Liga or Bundesliga club, we'll be all over asking why the club isn't signing him.

Kane would be worth about 20-25m if he was playing in Spain or France.

 

[Nozzy]

So far Kane has had 1 good season and wouldn't say he had a great end to it as he scored 2 in the last 9 for club and country. Yes, if he was around 10-20m pounds,

Is that his Play Station valuation? Get in the real world

I don't think anyone in the right mind would've then pay somewhere near 30-40m for him.

Watch this space

 

[Fergie's Man]

This will never happen, but there again, the transfer window would not be the same without the annual, "The world according to GlastonSpur" thread.

 

[Walrus]

I don't know why people tend to underrate players doing well in the PL for smaller clubs, yet claim the PL is the most difficult league in the world. It doesn't add up. If Kane was doing it in Spain or France, am sure people will be more receptive to the idea of signing him, it's the same with Schneiderlin, if he was performing the way he is doing at Sotton for a La Liga or Bundesliga club, we'll be all over asking why the club isn't signing him.

Completely agree with this. If Kane was a spanish forward who had the season he has just had, in la liga, there would be huge clamour to sign him.

As things stand, I am not really too fussed if we sign him but we do need a new striker. In an ideal world I would rather Kane had another good season at the top level behind him before we showed interest, but if LVG and the scouts are convinced then that is enough for me.

 

[legball]

If Schneiderlin and Kane were doing it in another league at the same rate they will be worth half than what they are.

Explains why we signed Herrera for 30m and Di Maria for 60m?

 

[Nozzy]

His current preference is to stay at Spurs.

They'd have a choice, as I've said.

That's just naive, it's never down to the player when a Club decides to take the offer from a bigger Club. They get told in no uncertain circumstances, that their careers at their current Club is over.

 

[Cassidy]

Completely agree with this. If Kane was a spanish forward who had the season he has just had, in la liga, there would be huge clamour to sign him.

As things stand, I am not really too fussed if we sign him but we do need a new striker. In an ideal world I would rather Kane had another good season at the top level behind him before we showed interest, but if LVG and the scouts are convinced then that is enough for me.

I bet zero people on here would want us to spend £40m+ on him

 

[legball]

Kane would be worth about 20-25m if he was playing in Spain or France.

That's a half baked argument based on absolutely nothing. The point of the matter is his quality and what he brings to the table.

 

[Cassidy]

Explains why we signed Herrera for 30m and Di Maria for 60m?

Seriously, they were not playing in those leagues for 1 season.

 

[Cassidy]

That's a half baked argument based on absolutely nothing. The point of the matter is his quality and what he brings to the table.

No its based on past transfer fees of strikers who have come from such leagues and have good goal scoring records. I'm not saying he isn't quality, and tbh I don't think anyone is.
All people are saying is that for the price, its a huge risk, especially when hes only done it for one season