When will he start doing he business for England ?
Harry Kane MBE | Performances
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I wouldn't describe him as a poacher though as he scores all types of goals. He is an all round striker.
But can he do it on a big pitch..
He is without the doubt the best striker in the PL. He is just amazing, hopefully he continues his performance in CL games.
Nope it's very harsh. He's much more creative than people give him credit for. He has a poachers instinct like any top striker needs, but his holdup play, his touch and passing and general physicality are all really, really good.
Weirdly he's a slightly under rated English footballer. Dunno why, maybe his shovel face.
One of my favourite players in the league which is saying something as I find Spurs intensely dislikable.
Also have a soft spot for Son.
So many of his goals seem to be screws into the near corner after shaping to put it the other side. He's brilliant at it.
He scored 5 in his first 11 caps (including a top class goal away at the world champions). His awful Euros brings his goal average down a lot and he's only played once for England since the tournament.
It's worth remembering that Shearer's international record was pretty crap until Euro 96.
That along with the early baldness and lisp are part of his charm. Agree that he's highly likable.And?
Bergkamp and Zola weren't pure strikers and Ronaldo (not a pure striker either, not at United anyway)was completely different class at his age: 42 goals for the CL title and the PL title. Kane has been a flop in Europe and internatiionally so far. And his best season falls short of the best seasons of any of the mentioned players.
4 goals in a pretty meaningless game mean nothing.
His stats in the PL are excellent, but that's only the PL. Before doing it in the CL and with England, he'll be what he is now: not a top 10 forward in the world.
His stats in the PL are excellent, but that's only the PL. Before doing it in the CL and with England, he'll be what he is now: not a top 10 forward in the world.
He looks goofy, he wasn't a hyped up youngster (in fact, he was frightfully average) and what makes him so good isn't very flashy.
That's just not true, certainly in terms of goal scoring. Also you are judging him against the best seasons of players with a full career. Kane is only 23 and should have his best seasons ahead of him.
He is incredible. Without doubt a top three Premier League striker and perhaps just below Aguero when he's on top form. Unfortunately injuries seem to have hampered him a bit.
Kane doesn't get nearly enough credit he deserves. It's as if everyone acknowledges English players always tend to get overrated that when a gem actually comes along like 'Arry he's severely underrated.
Kane doesn't get nearly enough credit he deserves. It's as if everyone acknowledges English players always tend to get overrated that when a gem actually comes along like 'Arry he's severely underrated.
But I don't mean only goals. To measure the quality of Bergkamp or Zola or Cantona only in goals is stupid. And Costa outscored Kane and was beter than Kane at Atleti - in a much more defensive set-up.
The reason I've personally never thought of him as absolutely top tier is because until the other day, I can't remember anything of note that he's done against us. Maybe I've forgotten something, but in most of the games I've seen him play against us, he's been anonymous, sometimes downright bad. I don't watch him every week though.
So you are happy to judge his game away from his goalscoring against the types of players he is not like (Zola, Bergkamp, Cantona, Ronaldo) and judge him not on his obvious strength and then bring up Costa, a player in his prime who even so has not matched Kane's goal scoring record. Clutching at straws.
Huh. I have problems finding 10 better forwards in the world myself..
MSN if you call them all forwards is 3...
Ronaldo + Benzema
Lewandowski
Higuain
Aubemayang
That`s 8. I`d say all of them are undebateable.
After that I`d say Kane must be close to being the next in line.
Contenders:
Ibrahimovic (scoring more in weaker league, less in PL). Can`t say he`s currently better than Kane IMO.
Griezmann, not an out and out forward, 22 league goals this season, 60 last 3. (compared to Kane`s 26 this season and 72 last 3), but debateable.
Who else? Dybala? Doesn`t come close in scoring...
Aguero, Possibly. Not this season for certain.
Sanchez, possibly, been comfortably outscored by Kane last 2 years though.
Costa. No.
Cavani, slightly higher scoring average in significantly worse league.
If I were to make ranking right now I`d put him 10th (behind Griezmann), with 5 of those in Barca & Real and the best forward in the PL.
I guess you can aruge any of the "contenders", but just as easy arguing Kane is as good as any of them IMO.
75 goals in a 115 appearances, only Shearer and RVN with better records after three full seasons, easily the best English forward since Rooney, not much more you can say of him. Kane is no way near his prime even (at least 4 years off of that minimum) he has started scoring goals since day one. No one phases his, has scored against all the big teams in England.
Didn't know he appeared for Norwich in the Premiership though.
As for some of the comparisons above... Bergkamp was poor for Inter, he flopped, he failed; Gianfranco never scored 20 goals in a single season in all competitions. They are great, no doubt, but this is a case of people taking them at their peak.
Didn't know he appeared for Norwich in the Premiership though.
As for some of the comparisons above... Bergkamp was poor for Inter, he flopped, he failed; Gianfranco never scored 20 goals in a single season in all competitions. They are great, no doubt, but this is a case of people taking them at their peak.
I don't think he is an exceptionally gifted footballer like say Ibrahimovic, Lewandowski, Suarez etc. He is just a level below but still very young.
Glaston was happy to judge his goalscoring stats against players who weren't out and out strikers in the first place.
Strikers or not strikers, any of the mentioned players had better individual seasons than Kane. Is this news to you?
As regards Costa, his last season at Atleti was better than any of the Kane seasons so far. That's pretty obvious as well. And you call it clutching at straws. How come?
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You have doubts whether Griezmann is a better forward than Kane?
Bale?
Aguero? Not great this season? OK, but then Mbappe had a better season than Kane because he did it at the highest level - in the CL and Kane failed there.
Müller? Not good this season but was better than Kane in any of the previous seasons.
Cavani has scored 50+ goals this season, Kane 30+. Wouldn't say that Kane had a better season. Ligue 1 is worse than the PL but not by that much. Monaco shat on Spurs and then beat City.
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So because someone else compared different types of players it's ok for you to do it? Also that's great about Costa's one season in his career when he scored currently 1 league goal more than Kane this season (with Kane having one more game to play) despite playing 6 games more than Kane has that season. If that's honestly your argument then I think you are struggling.
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You can't really see the difference between scoring as many league goals as Messi and Ronaldo and leading Atleti to the league title and to the CL final and scoring many meaningless goals and leading Spurs to 2nd in the PL and to nothing in Europe? Good for you then.
2 goals in 3 CL matches this season. Spurs underwhelmed but how do those stats fit with him being a "flop" individually?
We are not comparing Athletico and Spurs here though are we. We are comparing two goal scorers and Kane has a better goal scoring record than Costa. I'm really not sure why you picked Costa as the striker to compare him with as you would have already known this.
One goal from a penalty and one goal at home vs CSKA, the worst team in the group. OK, not a flop, just not special.
I argued that any of the mentioned players had better individual seasons than Kane.
I have nothing against Kane. He may go on to become a better player than Costa and Zola. He can't become better than Bergkamp and Cantona, IMO. And Ronaldo is on a completely different level.
Funny you should say that. I was at WHL in December 2014 and watched us play Spurs in an uninspiring 0-0 draw (typical LvG borefest). On the pitch was Rooney, RvP and Falcao. But the striker who stood out to me that day was a young Harry Kane.
If Kane stays healthy, he's nailed on to score 20+ goals a season for the foreseeable future.
Well that's your opinion. I think it's unfair to compare a 23 year old to players who have a full career of performances to judge from. Judge him against his peers and when he hangs up his boots then we can compare him to whoever you want.
BTW, Kane started in both games vs Gent. And scored. An OG. He wasn't really good in Europe this season. Next season he'll have a chance to shine.
If you consider Bale a forward, fine, I`ll give you him. Personally I don`t.
Aguero, as I said, possibly. Given Kane`s allround contribution to our attack AND defence, I prefer him over Aguero, but I`ll give you it`s a toss up. When in possesion I`ll even admit I`d rather have Aguero playing against a high line than Kane.
Muller? Had I made this list a year ago. I`d put him over Kane, mostly because of his goal scoring record for Germany, even though as a goal scorer he has never been close to Kane in consistency at club level. Very strange to consider him better than Kane at the moment IMO.
Cavani: Put Kane in that PSG side, and I`m confident he would equal if not surpass Cavani in production.
Mbappe: Better than Kane this season? No. Higher ceiling? Sure. Future Ballon d`Or player I reckon. If they shat on us on Wembley we didn`t see the same match. 64/36 possesion. 15/7 in shots. 6/2 shots on target. They won, but making it sound as they played us of the park just goes to show you either didn`t see the match or have an agenda.
Griezmann. Yes, I think it`s debateable. He`s missed quite a few big penalites last couple of seasons plus only on 0,46 goals in the league this year compared to Kane`s 0,9. Still, if you actually read my list I did put him ahead of Kane in 9th.
In conclusion: I think to rate Kane as a top 10 striker in the world is fair, but of course I support Spurs, and If you say Bale is a striker and Aguero is better, I disagree, but I`m not gonna argue too much. The others I`d disagree with. Well, as this is my 3rd post today, I`m not gonna argue with any objections you might have! :P
Maybe next year then, in Russia. Our top young talents don't always do well with the national team, I wonder why
? Kane and Rashford up front, surely that can't fail ?Top class player.
Him and Alli are going to be superstars for the next decade.
Him and Alli are going to be superstars for the next decade.
You know your part-exchange collateral is shit when it reduces the value of the deal overall.
Spurs have never really taken the EL too seriously anyway. Will be interested to see how he fares in the CL presuming Spurs fare better in it than they did this season.
They played with many first-teamers, including Alli and Kane. I think that they wanted to win the EL but underestimated Gent.
I remember that game and literally remember nothing about Kane. I just remember us missing a hatful of chances in the first half, and a couple of good ones in the second. I remember a couple of other games in which Smalling had him in his pocket. He was awful in the game at Old Trafford this season.
Clearly he's a very good player and his record backs that up. Against us though...
Bizarrely i think that's part of the reason he is underappreciated in England. He's goofy looking, has a lisp and didn't have a stellar youth career. You'd think things like that wouldn't matter, but hey ho, we live in a materialistic, fake time on this planet and if you don't have some sort of x-factor about you, you'll be judged unfairly. I have no doubt if Kane stays relatively injury free, he will rack up record numbers(where ever he plays).
With Kane it's also important to remember how young he really is. He's still just 23, an age when most top level strikers are just finally starting to have big seasons.
Lewandowski scored 8 league goals in his age 22 season in the Bundesliga, jumping to 22 in his age 23 season.
Diego Costa scored 6 league goals in his age 22 season, and then went out on loan for his age 23 season scoring 10 goals.
Luis Suarez was still in the Netherlands in his age 22 and 23 seasons, it wasn't until the middle of his age 24 season he even came to the PL.
Kane to this point has been extremely precocious - he's just now reaching the age that most top strikers really started their ascent. We'll see what he does as he enters his prime over the next 4-5 seasons, but he's got plenty of room to continue to grow as a player.
Lewandowski scored 8 league goals in his age 22 season in the Bundesliga, jumping to 22 in his age 23 season.
Diego Costa scored 6 league goals in his age 22 season, and then went out on loan for his age 23 season scoring 10 goals.
Luis Suarez was still in the Netherlands in his age 22 and 23 seasons, it wasn't until the middle of his age 24 season he even came to the PL.
Kane to this point has been extremely precocious - he's just now reaching the age that most top strikers really started their ascent. We'll see what he does as he enters his prime over the next 4-5 seasons, but he's got plenty of room to continue to grow as a player.
Irrefutably one of the best strikers in world football at this point. I love his game, he's brilliant.